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buckeyefan78 · 02-20-2005, 10:24 PM

ESP...

The battleship theory falls short in one crucial aspect: ALL military intelligence around the world believed that the battleship was invulnerable to attack by air. FDR still had them there because everyone thought an air attack wasn't a feasible way to destroy them. Yeah, that one was proved wrong about 5 minutes into the attack, but that was the thinking before December 7th.

FDR's main objective was to draw the U.S. into war to defeat the facist states of Europe. Japan was secondary, very secondary. The man needed something to get public opinion on his side ( some outlets have the people at 80% in favor of neutrality, spurned on by Republican Senator Nye and his commission before the 7th). The U.S. was already getting attacked, sometimes daily, by German subs in the North Atlantic while helping out the Brits with supplies, but FDR knew he couldn't use that angle. He had "twisted' the Neutrality Act, against great public outcry along with the right, to send help to Britian and felt that if he used these attacks, his plans would be WAY TOOOOO transparent.

He needed another stage. How could the U.S. not know about the attack? Japanese codes were broke two years earlier clearly giving signals, and sometimes outright attack plans, but nothing was done.

There's much more on this stuff, just the tip there. One thing can be said for sure: FDR was a man of very questionable morals. This is the same guy who tried to pack the Supreme Court to get his New Deal programs accepted. A history of trickery to counter public and political opinion is all over this guy. He's dirty. I just take the natural progression and call him guilty in this matter.

Also ESP...

The Soviets were clearly U.S. enemies way before the end of the war in Europe. Several years ago, I used to teach a lesson plan entitled "seeds of mistrust," about the awkward position of the Soviets, Brits, and Americans during WWII. I don't question the U.S. goverment killing thousands of people to "send messages" to other, unrelated peoples. In fact, something like that is going on today....hmmmm.

02-20-2005, 10:24 PM	#12 (permalink)
buckeyefan78 Banned Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 12,678	ESP... The battleship theory falls short in one crucial aspect: ALL military intelligence around the world believed that the battleship was invulnerable to attack by air. FDR still had them there because everyone thought an air attack wasn't a feasible way to destroy them. Yeah, that one was proved wrong about 5 minutes into the attack, but that was the thinking before December 7th. FDR's main objective was to draw the U.S. into war to defeat the facist states of Europe. Japan was secondary, very secondary. The man needed something to get public opinion on his side ( some outlets have the people at 80% in favor of neutrality, spurned on by Republican Senator Nye and his commission before the 7th). The U.S. was already getting attacked, sometimes daily, by German subs in the North Atlantic while helping out the Brits with supplies, but FDR knew he couldn't use that angle. He had "twisted' the Neutrality Act, against great public outcry along with the right, to send help to Britian and felt that if he used these attacks, his plans would be WAY TOOOOO transparent. He needed another stage. How could the U.S. not know about the attack? Japanese codes were broke two years earlier clearly giving signals, and sometimes outright attack plans, but nothing was done. There's much more on this stuff, just the tip there. One thing can be said for sure: FDR was a man of very questionable morals. This is the same guy who tried to pack the Supreme Court to get his New Deal programs accepted. A history of trickery to counter public and political opinion is all over this guy. He's dirty. I just take the natural progression and call him guilty in this matter. Also ESP... The Soviets were clearly U.S. enemies way before the end of the war in Europe. Several years ago, I used to teach a lesson plan entitled "seeds of mistrust," about the awkward position of the Soviets, Brits, and Americans during WWII. I don't question the U.S. goverment killing thousands of people to "send messages" to other, unrelated peoples. In fact, something like that is going on today....hmmmm.