Kellen Winslow

[doublee]

I have to say Winslow rejecting a contract package that would have been the most valuable signed by a TE in history puzzles me. The guy has yet to play a down in the NFL and he rejects a deal worth more than Tony Gonzalez'. The guy should be happy to be getting a mutli-million dollar deal. What's more is the value matches that of Sean Taylor's who was drafted ahead of him. This sounds like it could have the potential to get very messy before a deal gets done.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1849378

[Marc]

It's probably his agent being an ass, but it sure makes Winslow look bad. You're a freakin' unproven rookie ... enough, take it and be happy. :rolleyes:

[mublue6]

I really wish I had the brass balls to turn down a fourty million dollar contract, nonetheless, to turn down the largest contract of anyone at my position. However, I really think Kellen will be almost, and quite possibly as good as his father. He's about the same frame, with close to the same hands complimented by punishing hits put on defensive players. Although, I do believe kellen is a bit faster.

[doublee]

Originally posted by Marc
It's probably his agent being an ass, but it sure makes Winslow look bad. You're a freakin' unproven rookie ... enough, take it and be happy. :rolleyes:

That may be, but the agent does what the client tells him to do. If his agent turned down the offer it is because Winslow told him to.

There is not doubt that he is a great talent and may very well end up the greatest to ever play the postion. But, you need to prove it on the field first before you start making crazy salary demands.

[Marc]

Agreed, doublee, but sometimes agents offer bad advice that these young guys listen to. They are sneaky. Think about all the bad advice agents give players who leave college basketball early, or it altogether. My point is that it's not always the players who are really making the decisions.

[Breed]

In addition... part of an agent's job to take the heat for contract disputes. From a media standpoint, the agents try to deflect heat onto themselves and away from their players. That is one thing the Postons are good at. Although many players have contract problems when they are represented by the Postons, the Postons are always the ones "in the way." That is often by design.

[MountaineerDave]

Hold on. While we're whacking Winslow and his agent, take a moment and whack daddy, too. This kid has made few moves, professionally, without Daddy's input. Moren' likely, Daddy said, we don't want to play there, let's make 'em pay out the ass.

Dave

[doublee]

I think it may be an ego thing more than anything else. He truly believes that he is the best rookie, not that there is necessarily anything wrong with that mindset, and he probably thinks he should be the top paid rookie. If he cannot be the top paid rookie then he is going to see how far up his butt management is willing to stick their noses as they are kissing it.

[Ego_Maniac]

I think Dave might be correct thinking Winslow might not want to play there. I'm gonna refrain from further comment and see how it pans-out cuz Cleveland is ... well ... Cleveland.

In all seriousness, though ... watch out for those Brownies! They could be THE team to watch this season.

[digital7]

He has the talent ... let's see how he trancends that onto the field..

I say take the @#$% money and back it up

[mublue6]

I would say take a shorter contract and back it up, then make them sign you to a long term, rich @$$ deal.

[Alex]

This is getting ridiculous. They're already offering him more than what Tony Gonzalez's deal is worth and Gonzalez is regarded as one of the top Tight Ends in the game today and perhaps ever. Winslow has yet to even take a training camp snap and he wants a contract deserving of a veteran who has proven himself. This is why Washington didn't draft Winslow. Gibbs knew they were going to have trouble signing him and IMO went in the right direction grabbing Sean Taylor. Taylor will be an impact rookie this season. Winslow will be on the sidelines and if the Browns don't sign him and he gets back in the draft in the 2005 draft he'll get even less money than he could've gotten in Cleveland since his skills will have been sitting for a year.

[5280]

I think the Browns management made a major error going public talking numbers and making comparison's to other players contracts. It's not fair to float a bunch of big numbers out there and not go into detail of incentive deals as compared to guaranteed salary. More than likely the issue is over the signing bonus I'd imagine. Winslow's compared to the other first rounders.

Winslow's agent, Kevin Poston, is known for being sticky. I think the Brown's are playing games and Poston is calling their bluff. Cleveland absolutely has to sign Winslow. They traded up to get him. They're not holding the cards and shouldn't act like they are.

Personally I think their offer is MORE than fair. I'm not going to make judgements on Winslow and his agents dealings, it's business. Saying that, I feel the Brown's actions is bad business. They painted themselves into a corner. They sign Winslow or this year's draft is a total bust.

[MountaineerDave]

What? The Browns conducting business badly?!! Say it ain't so!!

Butch Davis will drive this team straight to Los Angeles, I tell ya!

Dave

[mublue6]

Or, conducting his own train right out of cleveland. I understand he's on a short leah this year. I really think Butch and Steve "Superior" Spurrier are of the same coaching breed. And, we saw what happened with Superior.

[buckeyefan78]

God do I hate Winslow. He's a cocky S.O.B. I'm still estatic Ohio State beat him. Take that Bi*&# ! :P