Btw, the new "no chuck" rule......

[poptart]

.....sucks horse dong.


The league's never-ending quest to make the game "more watchable" for the masses takes the sport down one more notch in integrity.

Just what we need, more arbitrary "judgement" calls by the zebras. :rolleyes:

Mr Fan no longer has an attention span that will keep him at the tv unless the scoreboard is buzzin' and screamin' like a fuggen pinball machine, the league suits conclude.....in their infinite wisdom.

So......

Dope up the game a bit, and try to push through a whole slew of 48-45 thrillas.

Arena Ball, yeah, that's the ticket.

Defense be damned, DBs be damned, reality be damned, FOOTBALL be damned.


To hell with the NFL.

Stupid fuggers.

[doublee]

Actually, the rule has always been there but officials have become more and more lax about enforcing it over the years. The league is just telling them to focus in on the rule this year. It does not seem to be having that big of an effect on scoring of yet that I have seen. It is not like every preseason game has been that high-scoring.

[poptart]

Officials have been lax about calling it over the years because common sense sez that you've got to let guys play ball.

Let 'em play.

Games have not been high scoring yet, but flags have been flying everywhere.

[Ego_Maniac]

Don't forget about the ZONE defense! Sometimes when a defense appears porous, the defense is actually attempting to make an offense predictable. Defense isn't always about 'the stop.' I wouldn't worry about rules changes ... or the change in the enforcement of the rules. Defense CAN continue to be played ... it's just that the 'disciplined spectacle' needs to be loosened-up with a new 'game' for the season.

Chill ....

[Dublin Mike]

Originally posted by poptart
Officials have been lax about calling it over the years because common sense sez that you've got to let guys play ball.

Let 'em play.

Games have not been high scoring yet, but flags have been flying everywhere.


Common sense also says DBs shouldn't be able to mug receivers. Im sure you saw the tape from last year's AFC title game. The NE DBs were killing the Colts wideouts.

[doublee]

Same goes for the NFC Title game the Panthers DBs were just locking up the Eagles guys downfield and knocking them off their routes. Yeah they should let 'em play ball, but they should not be letting the DBs clutch and grab guys jerseys to keep from getting beaten or to knock a guy off his route.

[Bleedbluenwhite]

Alright, what is this rule and what does it mean?

[doublee]

There is a rule that stipulates that a defender cannot intentionally impede the progress of a reciever after five yards. They can run up and hit the guy within the first five yards of the line of scrimmage, but after that they are not allowed to make contact unless they are making a play for the ball or trying to tackle him once he has caught the ball. It is meant to keep defenses from slowing down the passing game. What they are doing is somewhat similar to the mandate the NHL made a year or so ago to the officials about cleaning up the clutching and grabbing that was going on in hockey.

[Bleedbluenwhite]

oh man that's it?
Dont worry the D will find was to get around that, just like in the NHL.

[doublee]

The thing that kind of does bug me about this mandate though is if they are going to start enforcing this call on the defense then they need to start cracking down on the recievers pushing off downfield. You see it all the time where the WRs push off to gain separation and the refs just stand there as if nothing happened.

[franky]

Originally posted by poptart
.....sucks horse dong.


The league's never-ending quest to make the game "more watchable" for the masses takes the sport down one more notch in integrity.

Just what we need, more arbitrary "judgement" calls by the zebras. :rolleyes:

Mr Fan no longer has an attention span that will keep him at the tv unless the scoreboard is buzzin' and screamin' like a fuggen pinball machine, the league suits conclude.....in their infinite wisdom.

So......

Dope up the game a bit, and try to push through a whole slew of 48-45 thrillas.

Arena Ball, yeah, that's the ticket.

Defense be damned, DBs be damned, reality be damned, FOOTBALL be damned.


To hell with the NFL.

Stupid fuggers.

I agree with most of what you said on this one. What a lame rule. As it is, I think the offense gets away with murder. Lord, what we have to do to make the game more watchable for the masses :rolleyes:

You just know that this rule is going to be one of those ones that bites the league in the butt in the playoffs when someone loses a game because of a lame flag in the final 2 minutes that keeps the winning drive going.

[Anthony]

Offense getting away with murder? By any objective measure - total points scored, or total yards gained (especialy passing), offense in the NFL is below the levels it was at in the early-to-mid '80s, when teams were averaging close to 13 yards per completion instead of the 11.5 or so they've been averaging the last couple of years; not only that, but in the last four or five years some teams have been gaining less than 10 yards per completion when that had never happened before since the original chuck rule went into effect back in 1978.

But how will anyone stop T.O. now?:D

[doublee]

TO what about Moss? The guy was nearly impossible to stop as it was now if they cannot bump him off his routes downfield he will just blow right by everyone. Look at the bomb he caught last game he was a good 5-10 yards behind the secondary.

I would say the shorter completion averages are more a result of the West Coast Offense that uses a lot of short quick routes to speedy recievers as opposed to the chuck-n-duck 'Air Coryell' offense that was en vouge in the 80s. Also, QBs don't get as much time to throw downfield these days given that the speed and quickness of d-linemen is so much faster these days.

[Dublin Mike]

Originally posted by Anthony
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But how will anyone stop T.O. now?:D

A good case of Dropitis? :P

[franky]

I guess my point is that I think the game today is "offensive" minded enough. We are going to getting to the point where we are playing Arena football soon. Okay, maybe I'm exaggerating, but defense is what I like to have the benefit of the doubt. No doubt this new rule is going to screw a team or team in one of those close games because the ref decides that someone's pinky was on the reciever in the "no chuck zone" with 1 minute to go.

Oh, and T.O. is overrated. T.O. = Totally Overrated.

[Anthony]

Originally posted by franky
I guess my point is that I think the game today is "offensive" minded enough. We are going to getting to the point where we are playing Arena football soon. Okay, maybe I'm exaggerating, but defense is what I like to have the benefit of the doubt. No doubt this new rule is going to screw a team or team in one of those close games because the ref decides that someone's pinky was on the reciever in the "no chuck zone" with 1 minute to go.



Like they say, offense sells tickets but defense wins games - and since somebody has to win every game no matter what, the NFL clearly as a vested interest in titling the playing field in favor of the offense.

'Twas ever thus, and thus ever shall be.

[MountaineerDave]

"'Twas ever thus, and ever thus shall be."

You're close, though. (Unless you invented it yourself and weren't quoting from Dead Poets Society... )

Dave

[Anthony]

Originally posted by MountaineerDave
"'Twas ever thus, and ever thus shall be."

You're close, though. (Unless you invented it yourself and weren't quoting from Dead Poets Society... )

Dave


Nope, didn't see it. Truth be told, I hardly ever go to theaters to see movies (didn't even see Fahrenheit 9/11!).

[MountaineerDave]

Well, Anthony, DPS is some fifteen years old, so.. you wouldn't have seen it at a theater anytime recently...

Dave

[MountaineerDave]

So, most of week one is in the books, and I didn't notice the no chuck rule
a)enforced particularly tightly in any of the games I've seen to this point
b)cause longer games; in fact, the games on my networks were over pretty early
c)lead to any more scoring than I've noticed in the past opening weekends.

Can you say much ado about nothing?

Dave

[doublee]

Yeah, I was just going to say the same thing I don't think I saw it called one time during the Skins or the Philly game. But, it did also look like the guys were playing pretty clean out there as well. I did not see the downfield hand fighting that we saw so much of last season either though.