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MountaineerDave

02-23-2005, 04:48 PM

I guess, purple, you'll need to update your sig. :)

Anyway... is it okay to be a little skeptical of this bit of news?
i don't believe a word any agent says to anyone.

He may still be traded, but his destination could be ANYWHERE, at this point. That's just my opinion.

And, don't blast McCombs, purple. If this is happening now, after a deal has been reached with Fowler, Fowler let it happen.

Prepare for the move to LA...

Dave

FSUViking

02-23-2005, 05:03 PM

Dave...a team source was on KFAN and confirmed it.

And Fowler doesn't own the team yet. Red still has 100% control of the Vikings.

Move to LA? Why? Just because Moss was traded? :confused:

BurghGuy

02-23-2005, 05:11 PM

Geez, who would want that punk anyways...I guess the Raiders are desperate.

FSUViking

02-23-2005, 05:14 PM

Yeah, he's only at WORST the 2nd best WR in the NFL. Hard to see why they would want him. :rolleyes:

Billy D

02-23-2005, 05:23 PM

Originally posted by FSUViking
I wish the worst possible death upon Red McCombs that can be possible.

I'm also VERY upset to see Moss go. As a Packer fan, I always felt good knowing our biggest rival was devoting millions of dollars and designing their offense around a very talented flake who was about 50/50 for showing up in the clutch. Now they might actually be a playoff threat... maybe. Ever heard of the Ewing Theory?

That said, Oakland's a great home for Randy. They embrace bad attitudes out there and he'll have Porter and the young gun WRs to deflect some attention. Kerry Collins throws a great long ball too. Win-win for everyone (except us Packer fans)

MountaineerDave

02-23-2005, 05:27 PM

purple--be realistic. The deal's done. The league has to approve it, but aside from that and that Fowler doesn't have his people in place yet...
This wasn't done without his knowledge or consent.

And if it was, he'll find a way in the next week to reverse it.

Or was there a breakdown in the deal that I'm not aware of because this is my first venture into sports in about five days...???

Dave

BurghGuy

02-23-2005, 05:44 PM

Originally posted by FSUViking
Yeah, he's only at WORST the 2nd best WR in the NFL. Hard to see why they would want him. :rolleyes:

I didn't say he was bad, just "a punk".

da12ken

02-23-2005, 05:45 PM

Seems a bit pricey for the Raiders, considering 1) They could possibly get either Braylon Edwards or Mike Williams and keep Harris and 2) their QB is Kerry @^%&ing Collins! What good is great WR with a crappy QB?

Moss should have an outstanding season though, assuming the Raiders get a decent QB/Collins sells his soul.

doublee

02-23-2005, 05:55 PM

Originally posted by FSUViking

And Fowler doesn't own the team yet. Red still has 100% control of the Vikings.

:confused:

I promise you they got Fowler's consent before making this move. If Red really wants to sell the franchise there is no way he makes a move like this that could potentially queer the deal without Fowler's group giving the green light.

And here, folks were trashing ESPN and the like for rumor mongering that Moss was going to be traded. Hmm....

FSUViking

02-23-2005, 06:15 PM

Well, they swore up and down that this was happening LAST off season too, so it's not like they have an impeccable track record.

RabidBronco

02-23-2005, 06:47 PM

Well, Punks go hand in hand with Punks.

While I give Oakland merit in pulling this together, especially giving up an above-average defender (Napoleon Kauffman) on the package, I still think Al Davis and his organization are more flare than bang. They should have gotten a RB, which they desperately need, instead of a pro-bowl receiver. Moss delivers, but still there are more pressing needs.

BurghGuy

02-23-2005, 06:50 PM

Originally posted by RabidBronco
Well, Punks go hand in hand with Punks.

What does that mean?

doublee

02-23-2005, 06:55 PM

Originally posted by RabidBronco
They should have gotten a RB, which they desperately need, instead of a pro-bowl receiver. Moss delivers, but still there are more pressing needs.

They still can. Lamont Jordan and Anthony Thomas are on the market and there is a ton of talent to be had at the position in the upcoming draft.

FSUViking

02-23-2005, 11:26 PM

Former Vikings beat writer and current SI writer, Don Banks, writes this:

"While there are conflicting indications whether Tice was for or against the deal in the very end, making that call really wasn't ever in his hands. He was recently informed from on high within the organization that Moss would be dealt if the price was right. Case closed. McCombs and vice president of football operations Rob Brzezinski were running this show, and they pursued a trade aggressively from the time the Vikings were eliminated by Philadelphia in the NFC divisional playoffs on. Sources say the team's prospective new owner, Reggie Fowler, had little say in the matter."

If I was Fowler, I'd be PISSED. He's paying $625m for a team without Randy Moss? Did Red tell Reggie this was his plan, right up front? :redhot:

da12ken

02-24-2005, 12:16 AM

That's eight-balling the to-be owner a bit.

FSUViking

02-24-2005, 10:55 AM

Well, according to Mike Morris and PA this morning, this started last year. it never got to be too much UNTIL Moss went on National TV and basically made a well liked, well respected team leader in Matt Birk, a complete punk.

Moe Williams told P.A. that was the last straw, and Birk was on the Powertrip and said the team had reached the point of no return with Moss.

Terrence Shaw said that Moss operated on a seperate set of rules.....HIS OWN.

Look, I hate this trade as much as anybody, but if things are/were as bad as is being said, this HAD to be done. People want to get rid of Sam Cassell and Latrell Sprewell because they are cancers to KG and the Wolves.......well?

If Moss had become a cancer to Birk, Culpepper, Moe, etc........could you afford NOT to trade him? No man is bigger than the team.

Pimpbot

02-24-2005, 02:37 PM

Raiders and Randy Moss a match made in heaven......no wait, maybe hell.

I applaud the Vikings for dealing him.

Heathen

02-24-2005, 05:18 PM

Like he was going to any other team?

Marc

02-24-2005, 06:20 PM

Good news for the Packers and other NFC North teams who will no longer have to face Moss every year. Unless Favre retires, it almost insures yet another Packer division title. Sucks to be a Vikes fan. I never thought he'd get traded. Moss and the Vikes go together like Iverson and Philly or Kobe and L.A. Shocking.

FSUViking

02-24-2005, 10:43 PM

Well, this deal might get even sweeter. Nothing in the way of solid proof to substanciate this, but I've heard that the Vikings might add Michael Bennett to this deal for Charles Woodson.

Doubtful this happens, but it would make this whole ordeal much easier to stomach.

FOLLOW UP: Apperantly, other people have seen this on ESPNews. The Raiders asked the Vikings about Bennett earlier this season, but it was for Buchanon. Because of Moss contract, they would part with Woodson, if this goes any farther.

#47

02-25-2005, 08:57 AM

Gee.........as a Raider fan I am so thrilled to get this guy. Nothing we need more then ANOTHER guy who plays with such heart, who always leaves it on the field, has a win at no cost mentality has repeatedly shown the ability to help LIFT his teams to new heights(afterall Minny has been a dominate team right) and is the type of teammate everyone wants.

The traits of a truly great player..........yup he has 'em and now we got him!

Oh joy!

FSUViking

02-25-2005, 11:04 AM

Well, in case anybody wonders WHY we hate Red McCombs so much here:

Fowler Wasn't In On Moss Deal
By Viking Update Staff
Date: Feb 25, 2005

With the shock of the blockbuster Randy Moss begins to fade, the questions now turn to what Reggie Fowler knew and when he knew it.

In the aftermath of the Randy Moss trade, the speculation turned from why did the Vikings do it to whether or not Reggie Fowler signed off on the deal.

VU has been told the answer to the second speculation is "no" -- which has some people around the league shaking their heads. The matter has been compared to someone buying a house, completing a purchase agreement and, before moving in, the previous owner tears down the garage.

Yet, that appears to be the case. A Twin Cities TV station reached Fowler at his home Wednesday and when asked for a reaction, Fowler said that "it was the first he had heard of it" and hung up.

From the other side, VU has been told that the Moss deal was part of the ongoing process of preparing for the 2005 offseason and that, as owner, McCombs wasn't bound to include Fowler in the plans.

Yet, if a guy's going to plunk down $625 million for a team, he should at least be given the option of keeping the players he wants. Will this affect the purchase agreement? Probably not. But it is a troubling sign -- whether you think the deal indicates the Vikings aren't confident Fowler's bid will go through and are going on with business as usual or that they didn't care enough to let the new owner at least have his voice heard when it came to trading away a franchise player.

Pioneer Press:

• It's interesting that Vikings owner Red McCombs apparently did not confide in prospective buyer Reggie Fowler before he agreed to trade Randy Moss.

MountaineerDave

02-25-2005, 03:03 PM

If I were Fowler, I might be tempted to tell McCombs to shove the purchase agreement right up his Texan ass, if this is all true.

For one, it would leave the only viable purchasor to be Glen Taylor, who has at least a slightly better chance of acquiring a stadium deal, and removes, for a while, anyway, the threat of moving that always follows a non-local owner.

Dave

doublee

02-25-2005, 11:09 PM

Hmm, Charles Woodson just made things a little more interesting by signing Oakland's one year franchise tender of 10 million dollars. This now puts Oakland 15.7 million over the cap not counting the new contract given to Jerry Porter. The Raiders will now have to make some significant moves to get far enough below the cap to complete this deal.

MountaineerDave

02-26-2005, 08:37 AM

Well, they haven't yet cut Gannon, right? He's $8M against the cap all by himself.
I don't think their situation's quite as dire as it seems at first. They'll make a couple other cuts, possibly Buchanon, and then they'll be alright.

Dave

doublee

02-26-2005, 09:51 AM

Or, it could lend more fuel to the idea that Woodson will be included in the Moss deal. I am not so sure they will release Buchanon outright as there seems to be some interest in the guy from other teams. But, that was before guys like Fred Smoot, Samari Rolle, and Ty Law hit the open market.

As far as I can tell the Raiders have yet to release anyone this offseason.

I also see where Moss' agent is now doing some serious spin control. Saying, in a nutshell, that Moss felt that the team was not committed to winning as a whole and that his teammates did not want to win as desparately as he did.

#47

02-26-2005, 10:06 AM

Originally posted by doublee
I also see where Moss' agent is now doing some serious spin control. Saying, in a nutshell, that Moss felt that the team was not committed to winning as a whole and that his teammates did not want to win as desparately as he did.

If that aint the pot calling the kettle black.

Fight On!

doublee

02-26-2005, 10:13 AM

Yeah, I kind of thought the same thing. Maybe Moss really does have a desire to win a championship. The only problem is when he makes comments like 'Randy Moss plays when he wants to play', or when he does very little to promote team unity it is really hard to believe that he is dedicated to winning a championship.

Though his agent does make a valid point about the team not spending the money to improve the roster when it is 30 million under the cap and will be even moreso if the proposed deal goes through.

#47

02-27-2005, 10:05 AM

The line that got me was the last one.............didnt feel his teammates wanted to win as desperately as he did. Does he think no one has been paying attention all these years?

This is a guy who repeatedly has 'quit' in games.........I was at the Giants/Vikings playoff game several years ago, when he flat refused to run any patterns after the Giants took control of the game. Funny thing was, his teammates were still attempting to play in that game...........but that was just one example.

Guy has always been a dog, a quitter, he never could accept when things didnt go his way. He is NOT professional. He is the poster boy for what athletes shouldNT be.

He's a loser. Always has been. Probably always will be.

Fight On!

Tarkus

02-27-2005, 01:53 PM

Hypocritical indeed, #47....

But as the old sayin' goes...."A rollin' Moss gathers no stones"...

Or somethin' like that.....:D

#47

02-27-2005, 03:58 PM

Originally posted by Tarkus
Hypocritical indeed, #47....

But as the old sayin' goes...."A rollin' Moss gathers no stones"...

Or somethin' like that.....:D

lol.

In his case it should be...........

"If I'm not rollin' anywhere near the middle of the field, I cant get hit!"

Fight On!

Tarkus

02-27-2005, 04:31 PM

:lol: #47...

Yea, that's why we always hear: "Just throw it deep & I'll score". Like you said...translation: If you think I'm goin' over the middle to get killed, you're crazy....

FSUViking

02-27-2005, 06:33 PM

I don't think the Raiders are that much closer to winning a championship, than the Vikings are/were. If he wanted to win so badly, either stay here and ride out this Red Mccombs fiasco, or ask to be traded to Baltimore or Atlanta.

Oakland?

Pimpbot

02-27-2005, 06:45 PM

I heard that Oakland were the only serious bidders.

MountaineerDave

02-28-2005, 05:24 PM

I heard the Vikings' asking price was too high for Baltimore or Atlanta (Baltimore, actually--can't think of anyone from the Falcons' D that would suit the Vikes, honestly, except Coleman, maybe)

Dave

doublee

02-28-2005, 06:09 PM

Moss' agent popped up on ESPN Gamenight on the radio last night. Geeze, is this guy a piece of work. He basically went on to slam Daunte Culpepper saying he didn't throw the ball to Moss enough and was afraid to throw the deep ball to Randy any more because he was afraid of fumbling the ball or getting picked off. He then went to predict that Moss will break every one of Rice's records now that he is going to Oakland. He made it sound as though personal records were the most important thing to him and his client.

He did say that initially Moss was only interested in going to Atlanta or Baltimore at first but was one over by the recruiting job Davis did in working out the deal.

Diceman

02-28-2005, 07:11 PM

Mike Williams, please.

FSUViking

02-28-2005, 08:22 PM

John Cena, yo!

Daunte was interviewed before the Heat/Magic game last night. Said two things of interest:

1. Said Moss is the best player in the league........when he wants to be.

2. Said he hasn't talked to Randy at all this off-season.

Damn. Is this Shaq/Kobe II?

doublee

02-28-2005, 08:31 PM

Sure is beginning to sound like it isn't it FSU? Only this time around the Vikings took the safe pick and went with good talent and solid stability over amazing talent and erratic stability.

davematthews3

02-28-2005, 09:18 PM

I think that Culpepper and moss will be fine next year at the pro bowl they will probablly embrace so I dont think this is a serious rift

Marc

02-28-2005, 10:45 PM

Now all the Raiders need is Ricky Williams to have more headcases than an insane asylum. Sapp, Moss, Ricky ... yikes.

doublee

02-28-2005, 11:25 PM

Well, Randy needs someone to hook him up with some of that good So-Cal weed doesn't he? :lol:

FSUViking

03-01-2005, 11:33 AM

Originally posted by doublee
Well, Randy needs someone to hook him up with some of that good So-Cal weed doesn't he? :lol:

No-Cal, me boy. ;)

Anthony

03-02-2005, 05:44 AM

Originally posted by FSUViking
John Cena, yo!

Daunte was interviewed before the Heat/Magic game last night. Said two things of interest:

1. Said Moss is the best player in the league........when he wants to be.

2. Said he hasn't talked to Randy at all this off-season.

Damn. Is this Shaq/Kobe II?

Now try to imagine how well Moss is going to get along with Kerry Collins, given what's in Collins' past!

doublee

03-03-2005, 09:20 PM

So, did I hear this right earlier today? McCombs almost fired Tice thinking it may inspire Randy to fall in line? He also said Randy is a five TD a game player. If that is the case then he is the biggest underachiever in the history of sports. Has he been dipping into Randy's stash again?

MountaineerDave

03-04-2005, 04:19 PM

I read the firing thing on espn.com. Seems that's what he said.

As far as the 5TD-a-game player comment: Red clearly doesn't really understand the game. And if he does, and truly believes Moss is a 5TD/g guy, then he a)should have fired the entire coaching staff and called all the plays himself b)got REALLY ripped off in the trade.

Dave