Schilling is an idiot

[themush]

Schilling called Lou Pinella an "idiot" after the DRays and the Sox had two bench "clearing" incidents. Schilling said "The problem is when you're playing a team with a manager who somehow forgot how the game is played, there's problems.". He went on to say that Piniella is "trying to make his team a bunch of tough guys" -- even claiming that Rays players on the field will say to the opposition, "This is why we lose 100 games a year, because this idiot makes us do stuff like this."

Curt needs to shut his *&@#ing mouth. If the Rays players actually said something like that why didn't he name them? Why has he not come out since them to name them? When asked who said that he said he wasn't willing to say. PLEASE. These kids (yes they are kids) down here love Lou. And why shouldn't they? Schilling is an AAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSS.

[doublee]

Schilling is not naming names because he is respecting the 'code of the clubhouse' which means you don't sell other players down the river the way Kobe tried to do with Shaq and Malone whether they are teammates or not.

[themush]

I think Schilling is full of ish. Code my arse.

[Alex]

Shilling is an idiot- but you have to remember this is coming from a Yankee fan. ;)

I agree with doublee. Schilling respects the game and respects the players.

[YankeeDoodle]

Originally posted by doublee
Schilling is not naming names because he is respecting the 'code of the clubhouse' which means you don't sell other players down the river the way Kobe tried to do with Shaq and Malone whether they are teammates or not.


I don't understand the "Stick-By-Your-Teammate" thing. People in the real world "sell" each other out for embezzeling toilet paper...I mean whoa...I guess a couple million dollas sure builds cohesive comestry. The Kobe thing is just weird and I'm not going to comment on the guy anymore, but in general...it's a double-standard that "oh there's no such thing as team loyalty...but YOU CAN'T SELL OUT YOUR TEAMMATE!" As in the steroids controversy...and when pitchers feel like they have to "protect" their players. That is a bunch of beans.

Schill has his right of free speech, however questionable it is (and next time baseball players feel so outspoken - speak out at Captiol Hill and we'll talk)...but it's really asinine bickering. Just because A-Rod stopped feuding with you guys...take the high road. For a change.

Apparently the Sox have a history with the Rays. So now that they've won the World Series, do they want to feel what it's like to be the "Daddies" for a change? Aww...pick on somebody with your own payroll, won't ya? :D

[coachJ]

Originally posted by YankeeDoodle
I don't understand the "Stick-By-Your-Teammate" thing. People in the real world "sell" each other out for embezzeling toilet paper...I mean whoa...I guess a couple million dollas sure builds cohesive comestry.

You cant compare this to the real world. In the real world, your not working with other superstars to work to win a championship to keep your job. If a guy in the clubhouse is out talking crap about everybody, do you really think they would play good together on the field?

[Pimpbot]

His nickname at Arizona was "Table for one", because he had very few friends. Not very hard to see why. The world series hoopla just made his head swell to greater size, to the point of being unbearable.

[Marc]

At least Schilling has a leg to stand on here. He's been to three World Series, won two, helped end the Red Sox' 86-year curse on one leg, and is a sure-fire Hall of Fame ace. This is not like some do-nothing Freddie Mitchell running his mouth. You may not agree with him, but he's walked the walk and can talk the talk.

[HibachiDG]

Pinella has gotten a bit Tony LaRussa-ish since being in Tampa it seems. I don't know about the comment where a player said they were losing 100 games a year because of that stuff, but the comment about Pinella trying to make them tougher through brawling probably has some merit.

[davematthews3]

I don't see how Schilling can blame Sweet Lou for the brawls. He said it himself that it isn't him throwing the ball. So Schilling needs to stop Whining and now that he is on the DL hopefully it will be a while before we have to hear from him again.

[themush]

I hope he's healthy in July when it's his spot in the rotation back in Tampa. I imagine he might develop a "blister" on his throwing hand.

[doublee]

Uh, yeah. Say what you want about if he is dodging Pinella or not, but Schilling does not bag starts like that like Clemens did at Shea. It is not like he has to worry whether or not someone from Tampa is going to throw at him and if someone from the D-Rays tries to start something with him with no provocation within the confines of the game at hand then they just look dumb. If the guy can nut up and pitch at Yankee Stadium the way he did in the ALCS then I doubt he is worried about what the D-Rays or their fans may try to do to him in July.

[bombers fan]

Originally posted by Marc
At least Schilling has a leg to stand on here. He's been to three World Series, won two, helped end the Red Sox' 86-year curse on one leg, and is a sure-fire Hall of Fame ace. This is not like some do-nothing Freddie Mitchell running his mouth. You may not agree with him, but he's walked the walk and can talk the talk.

Im not so sure he is gonna be a great Hall of Fame pitcher. He is doin great now but in the beggining of his career he struggled whil on the phillies. Im not sure about the numbers but il look em up he was not as good as he is now.

[themush]

I could care less about wether he is worried or not. I just want to go to the game and "have a little fun" with old Curt.

[doublee]

Schilling struggled mainly due to injuries and the fact that he played on some really crappy Phillies teams. When healthy he usually put up good numbers. As it stands right now I think Schilling needs a couple more good seasons to be a lock he may be a borderline guy right now. If he gets to around 220 wins and 3,200 strikeouts then he will likely get in. But, the media does seem to like the guy for the most part and that is what could ultimately get him in.

[Alex]

Curt Schilling Career Stats (http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/schilcu01.shtml)

His wins/losses aren't overly impressive but considering that he spent the majority of his career on bad teams (Orioles, Astros and Phillies), it's not entirely fair to hold that against him too much. His 3.32 career ERA is solid and by the end of the 2006 season he should have over 3000 strikeouts. Considering the way he lead Boston to the World Series and a strong career finish should push him into the Hall of Fame.

[YankeeDoodle]

Originally posted by coachJ
You cant compare this to the real world. In the real world, your not working with other superstars to work to win a championship to keep your job. If a guy in the clubhouse is out talking crap about everybody, do you really think they would play good together on the field?


You're right...because in the real world, people have to worry about job security, feeding their family on a $20,000 salary, sending their kids to tuition-inflated colleges - OH I'M SORRY FOR STEPPING ON PLAYERS' DELICATE EGOS. What are you feeding your family if a couple mil can't suffice?

Specifically baseball anyways, where one good year can get you a *guranteed* contract and you're set for life...not only that...but you can feed your family, your fifth relatives' family, and your fifth generation. WHAT IS THERE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT? :mad:

And it's not about talking the talk...it is walking the walk.

Schilling is an advocate of ALS, and even as a Yankee fan (where real Yankees never ***** and moan), he *sounds* versed in that...but when he goes out and says disperging remark - specifically calling Pinella "an idiot", that really negates his articulation.

[doublee]

Baseball? The NBA is worse. In the NBA guys get paid on potential as opposed to talent and their deals are all guranteed. Someone explain to me again how Adonal Foyle is worth a $50 million investment. At least in baseball you have to at least show that you are little more than a 6' 8" 250 lbs slug to get a 50 million dollar contract.

[Billy D]

Originally posted by doublee
Baseball? The NBA is worse. In the NBA guys get paid on potential as opposed to talent and their deals are all guranteed. Someone explain to me again how Adonal Foyle is worth a $50 million investment. At least in baseball you have to at least show that you are little more than a 6' 8" 250 lbs slug to get a 50 million dollar contract.
This has something to do with baseball being more of a skill sport, while the NBA relies partially on skill but more on athleticism

[KevinBeane]

Originally posted by YankeeDoodle

Specifically baseball anyways, where one good year can get you a *guranteed* contract and you're set for life...not only that...but you can feed your family, your fifth relatives' family, and your fifth generation. WHAT IS THERE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT? :mad:



You're right.....millionaire ahtletes should be humble enough to never complain about anything. Since they're in a sort of position that so many of us our jealous of, the least they can all do is forfeit their right to give voice to any complaint.

Wait a tick, I don't feel that way at all. :rolleyes:

Millionaire athletes are a very easy target, YD, and there's not a single person here who has ever held a job who didn't call a coworker an idiot (or some synonym) at some point. I for one, am not interested in telling them to be seen and not heard just because they have a job most of us claim we would play for free...free, I tell ya!

It just comes across as simple bitterness if one baseball player calls another (well, a manager) an idiot ENRAGES you.

[doublee]

Originally posted by KevinBeane


It just comes across as simple bitterness if one baseball player calls another (well, a manager) an idiot ENRAGES you.

Well, gee you don't think it has anything to do with how Schilling laid the smackdown on the Yanks last year do you? :rolleyes:

[bombers fan]

Shilling is an idiot and here is an article that shows how stupid he is and dosent know when to shut up
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=page2/schilling/050428&num=1

[doublee]

Geezes man, you do know fictional satire when you see it don't you?

[YankeeDoodle]

Originally posted by KevinBeane
You're right.....millionaire ahtletes should be humble enough to never complain about anything. Since they're in a sort of position that so many of us our jealous of, the least they can all do is forfeit their right to give voice to any complaint.

Wait a tick, I don't feel that way at all. :rolleyes:

Millionaire athletes are a very easy target, YD, and there's not a single person here who has ever held a job who didn't call a coworker an idiot (or some synonym) at some point. I for one, am not interested in telling them to be seen and not heard just because they have a job most of us claim we would play for free...free, I tell ya!

It just comes across as simple bitterness if one baseball player calls another (well, a manager) an idiot ENRAGES you.


You call the boss an idiot and YOU'VE GOT SERVED (a pink slip).

Look, perhaps I came across overbearing; I don't expect athletes and those associated with sports to be the perfect gentlemen (or ladies). But is there any other profession in which a worker can run the huncho out of town? And as for salaries; I was referring to all of sports, be it in the NBA where players apparently must serve their families caviar on disposable gold dinningware to be able to say they can't get by with $14 mil; in the NFL (where there are no guaranteed salaires), but guys who have Drew Rosenthal want to have contracts renogiated (it really would've benefited you to learn some contractual law), or the MLB.

I'm just trying to point out that these instances possibly could hurt athletes in the minds of the fans', who with their paltry salaries, dish out ludicrous amounts of money to pay their salaries. My stance is that athletes are NOT role models...kids shouldn't be taught to "hold-out" on that raise with their bosses...and I don't trying to instate a double-standard - but can't anyone just appreciate the fact that they get paid to work 5 hours a day, a couple months out of the year. And I'm sure there are...then it's too bad all the coverage goes to the pariahs and the prima-donnas.

And no this doesn't *really*, at least *consciously* have anything to do Yankees. I'm fairly consistent in my gruding respect for other, even rival teams. Besides, especially being a Yankee fan - where decorum and taking the high road are at the top of the order (and so is winning...). :D

[Anthony]

Originally posted by doublee
Schilling is not naming names because he is respecting the 'code of the clubhouse' which means you don't sell other players down the river the way Kobe tried to do with Shaq and Malone whether they are teammates or not.


Code of the clubhouse? My great-grandparents had another name for it - omerta.

But this whole flap could raise some interesting issues down the road; what if, for example, come September, Pinella calls up three "prospects" from Double-A to pitch in a three-game series against the Yankees?