T.O. Countdown To Extinction

[Tarkus]

Might as well start the inevitable T.O. thread as it appears he's finally gettin' his mouth into "game shape"...:rolleyes:

A followup installment to the Look At Me sitcom that is T.O. ....

T.O., receivers coach 'merely co-workers'


Terrell Owens is done talking to his position coach.

T.O. said on his radio show Friday that his relationship with Dallas Cowboys receivers coach Todd Haley was ruined by a blowup this week. It began when Owens missed the start of Wednesday's practice because of an upset stomach, and Haley berated him for being late. Owens held his tongue then, but they later argued during a meeting.

The story getting out seems to bother Owens the most because Haley vowed since training camp that all internal matters would stay behind closed doors. Owens spoke with reporters for 45 minutes Wednesday without ever mentioning any problems with Haley. But the incident was reported by several media outlets Friday before Owens gave his side of the story later on his weekly show.

From now on, T.O. said, "there will be nothing else, no other dialogue" between him and Haley.

"There will be no more friendly nothing because I don't trust anybody like that," Owens said. "I will go out and practice hard. I will respect him as a coach, and he should respect me as a player. Anything outside of that I am not going to be able to deal with.

"Right now, we are merely co-workers, and that's it," he added.

Owens caught only three passes for 45 yards in a loss to Philadelphia on Sunday. It was a key division game for the Cowboys and a personal revenge game for Owens after the Eagles dumped him midway through last season.

TV cameras showed Owens screaming at Haley - who also carries the title "passing game coordinator" - on the sideline during the game. Although teammates said some of his rants were encouragement, Owens admitted saying, "Why am I here?" about his limited action. Coach Bill Parcells later noted that 13 balls were thrown to Owens, five more than anyone else; two were intercepted and one was dropped.

The confrontation between receiver and coach occurred Wednesday, the first time the Cowboys were back on the practice field. A strength coach was sent to get Owens when he was absent.

"By the time I step on the field, Todd starts cursing at me, this and that, and I'm like, 'Dude, I was in the restroom,"' Owens said. "He said, 'I don't (care) what you were doing. Everybody else is out here."'

Owens said he didn't respond, although he later apologized to Parcells and was told, "All right, just try to get out here a little earlier."

Then Owens and Haley butted heads during a meeting.

"I was venting, he was venting," Owens said. "I felt it stayed behind closed doors.

"It's all about frustration. Everybody is still frustrated from the loss on Sunday. At some point, we had our time to vent on Monday, Tuesday and have that bad taste that sick feeling out of your mouth. On Wednesday, it's a new day. It's a new game plan, a new team that we're getting prepared for. That's where our focus and direction should be. But obviously Todd, he's been frustrated, and he's taking it out on other people."

Parcells does not allow assistant coaches to talk to reporters. Team officials did not immediately return calls. Parcells said Thursday and Friday he wasn't talking about Owens. Asked why, he said Thursday: "I'm tired of it."

Dallas plays Houston at home Sunday.

Owens has a history of not getting along with coaches, from his position coach to the offensive coordinator to the head coach. It led to his dismissal from San Francisco and Philadelphia.

Although Owens has missed most of the preseason with a hamstring and had a highly publicized accidental overdose, he insists that he's been on his best behavior in his first season in Dallas.

"I know in the back of people's minds they are waiting for something to happen," said Owens, in the first year of a three-year, $25 million contract with the Cowboys. "I have made a conscious effort not to go down those roads again."

Owens made it clear that he'll still listen to Haley, but their discussions must be limited to Xs and Os.

"In business, you have people that work together and don't necessarily get along together," he said.

Owens said "anything is fixable," but he feels his trust in Haley "is being violated."

"I will have a hard time (trusting him) here on out," Owens said.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6052142

[Anthony]

The media whores will obviously do anything - and I mean anything - to get their 226 pounds of flesh.

Still, I'm forced to admit that I'm kind of glad that the witch hunt isn't taking place in Philadelphia any more.

[Tarkus]

Please tell me I'm misunderstanding you, Anthony...

It's seeming that you're saying the media fabricated this silly outburst. I'll grant that the media, & most talking heads, can't seem to not keep shining the spotlight on T.O.'s comments, but it's hard not to when T.O. keeps jumpin' up on stage.

As far as witch hunt, while the media does their fair share of egging T.O. on, it's still up to T.O. to be mature & quit feedin' the dogs. T.O.'s problem is that he's a media whore himself....

Of course if I misread your comment, nevermind....

[NY Jay 05]

Haha, wow, it's always great to see nice chemistry between a player and his coaches. T.O. just can't seem to not cause trouble. Although, I will admit that I agree with his statement a few days ago when he said he should be a bigger part of the gameplan and should be getting more catches.

[coachJ]

This is exactly why i was mad when they signed TO. And as far as being more part of the offense, he is th WR getting the most balls thrown to him...should they throw to him every down or what? He has had a lot of drops this year, and Bledsoe has been off on throws too.

[Anthony]

Please tell me I'm misunderstanding you, Anthony...

It's seeming that you're saying the media fabricated this silly outburst. I'll grant that the media, & most talking heads, can't seem to not keep shining the spotlight on T.O.'s comments, but it's hard not to when T.O. keeps jumpin' up on stage.

As far as witch hunt, while the media does their fair share of egging T.O. on, it's still up to T.O. to be mature & quit feedin' the dogs. T.O.'s problem is that he's a media whore himself....

Of course if I misread your comment, nevermind....


How often does a player and his position coach and/or coordinator have a verbal disagreement? I would estimate - conservatively - ten times per week, league-wide. How come there was no story this week about the other nine (or more)?

For whatever reason, the media has it in for this dude (T.O.).

[Tarkus]

How often does a player and his position coach and/or coordinator have a verbal disagreement? I would estimate - conservatively - ten times per week, league-wide. How come there was no story this week about the other nine (or more)?

For whatever reason, the media has it in for this dude (T.O.).

1st off, I believe your estimate (by the way...where did you come up with a formula for that one?) is waaaay off. The idea that every player is constantly at odds with staff decisions would see a special section in the sports page. These aren't the Hadfields & the McCoys...

As far as the Hallowed T.O. ...

He's indefensible. How many "other" players feed the media their side of a disagreement & how many claim their relationship with said coach is over & that they don't "trust them"? Or are you implying that the media is keeping a lid on the same antics for other players? Yea...the media is my 1st choice to keep a secret....:rolleyes:

Sooner or later you'll have to face it that T.O. is just an attention whore who needs chaos to exist. His antics are tailored & fabricated to fill a reporter's ear. I'm just surprised that you refuse to accept it, I guess...

[Marc]

The honeymoon lasted a year in Philly before it blew up. It sure hasn't lasted that long in Dallas. Still, I think the media deserves some blame for reporting every little nuance about T.O. The media itself makes nothing into a big deal and it amplifies the situation.

[boston_aloha]

1st off, I believe your estimate (by the way...where did you come up with a formula for that one?) is waaaay off.
10 to the power of 1 base 9 divided by pi plus 5 minus 3 :thumbup:
How can anyone NOT think he is an attention whore - working out in your driveway... hmmmmmm

[Ellis]

What do you know, no blow-up? Caught 3 TD passes today and got some catchable passes to him.

Seriously, if I had his talent, but had a QB who throws like a blind man, I would probably be upset too :D

I think that the relationship between the Cowboys and T.O. will be good from here on out. Owen's got his point across and the Cowboys have seemed to listened. The more you get T.O. involved with good passes, the better your team is going to be.

[boston_aloha]

yeah, but dont forget this was Houston (a freebee game) - wait till another close game and a close loss... its only a matter of time before the nuclear meltdown!

[Tarkus]

Yep...T.O.'s happy so everyone should continue to spoon feed him....:rolleyes:

He had 3 TDs on 5 catches for 45 yards. Problem is that he's not the only receiver out there & he's garnering 2 to 3 defenders cuz of his talent. One second he wants the ball no matter what & then when Bledsoe forces it & is INTed, he acts the fool.

The Cowboys haven't been giving Bledsoe the best protection as of late & during games, a lot of routes are already passed up in checkdowns only to open up after the protection has broken down. That's a lack of timing & execution, not ignoring T.O. Bledsoe doesn't react to pressure well as it is & T.O. adding more by ranting & raving is just going to make things worse. Anyone who thinks Bledsoe isn't trying to force the issue cuz he being influenced by Owens potential outbursts haven't followed T.O.'s career. It's happened before. It's all about him & only him.

Him scoring 3 TDs just gives him a reason to bellow some more & throw out more sounbites that the shark media laps up. Like Steve said...this was Houston. The Cowboys have a lot of work to do on both sides of the ball, not just the bandaid of throwing to Owens more.

Bledsoe has made his share of mistakes but on the whole has been OK under the circumstances. He spread the ball well today & is just lucky that those 5 catches for only 45 yards to Owens ended up in the end zone 3 times or instead of a win being discussed tomorrow, he'd be hearing how Owens is whining about being misused & ignored....

[Ellis]

I see your point, but I think this whole T.O. thing is being blown out of proportion. You see a lot of players go on rants on the sidelines. And from what I hear a lot of receivers will go off on their WR coach from time to time.

T.O. hasn't done anything wrong with the Cowboys so far. The things that he has done are the same things that a lot of WRs do. The only difference is that most WRs don't have a million reporters watching and reporting their every move.

[doublee]

Well, there are two things here. One is TO's reaction shows just how petty of an individual he can be by claiming there will be no more dialogue between he and the recievers coach. He needs to get over it. It is not as if Haley is the first coach to chew a player out for not showing up to practice/meetings on time.

Secondly, is that it was reported that Jerry Jones was going to punish Haley for the incident until Parcells had to step in and squash that idea. This is a bad precedent as now it potentially draws a line in the sand between Parcells' camp and TO/Jerry Jones. The speculation on TO/Parcells being together for a year may be accurate if too many more of these incidents occur. It could come down to Parcells telling Jones at the end of the year that either he or TO will have to go before next season.

[Tarkus]

I see your point, but I think this whole T.O. thing is being blown out of proportion. You see a lot of players go on rants on the sidelines. And from what I hear a lot of receivers will go off on their WR coach from time to time.

Of course it's being blown out of proportion. The media is waitin' on every breath of T.O for a soundbite. Problem is, it's all in T.O.'s hands when it comes to him helpin' by mouthin' off. It's not just what's heard on the sidelines but what he adds after the fact. He knows exactly what he's doin' & he's just manipulating the press for attention.

T.O. hasn't done anything wrong with the Cowboys so far. The things that he has done are the same things that a lot of WRs do. The only difference is that most WRs don't have a million reporters watching and reporting their every move.

Oh but yes he has. He's been fined twice for silly crap & then feigned innocence & played the victim. He should have let it go but he brings it up like a young child. This last episode that he feels "disrespected" by a coach who "yelled at him" sounds exactly like it is...immature.

& as far as him being scrutinized...yes he is...by the amount of talent he has & by the outrageous antics he pulls...He's a big boy & knows the effects his actions have on the team & teammates but he only cares about himself. Just having talent doesn't absolve him of his responsibility to the Cowboys...

[Anthony]

Oh but yes he has. He's been fined twice for silly crap & then feigned innocence & played the victim. He should have let it go but he brings it up like a young child. This last episode that he feels "disrespected" by a coach who "yelled at him" sounds exactly like it is...immature


Just as one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, one observer's "immaturity" is another observer's pride - and in the culture T.O. grew up in (and just about everyone in this country now under about 50 years old did for that matter) anyone who turns the other cheek is a cowardly dog!

And interestingly, yesterday's San Francisco Chronicle reported that the Cowboys actually had to deny a story, apparently propagated by ESPN, that Todd Haley was going to be disciplined! (When asked on Friday whether there would be any disciplinary action over the argument, Jerry Jones had been quoted as saying, "Yes, against Haley. This is not a reflection on T.O.").

[IntheNet]

It might be beneficial to add a provision to T.O.'s NFL contract; "Player is forbidden from speaking with, either directly or through reprentatives, any member of the media, in any form whatsoever." Further, "Any direct quote obtained by the media, and attributed to player, will be grounds for immediatel dismissal by team and/or league.". T.O.'s problem is his ego; eliminate what is feeding it.

[doublee]

And interestingly, yesterday's San Francisco Chronicle reported that the Cowboys actually had to deny a story, apparently propagated by ESPN, that Todd Haley was going to be disciplined! (When asked on Friday whether there would be any disciplinary action over the argument, Jerry Jones had been quoted as saying, "Yes, against Haley. This is not a reflection on T.O.").

Yeah, and it was being reported that Parcells had to step in quash that idea. The report I heard on the radio was that Jones was all set to punish him until Parcells told Jones that he wouldn't be punishing Haley.

[Tarkus]

Just as one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, one observer's "immaturity" is another observer's pride - and in the culture T.O. grew up in (and just about everyone in this country now under about 50 years old did for that matter) anyone who turns the other cheek is a cowardly dog!

Holy ****, Anthony...

The only thing missing from that load of crap was trumpets blaring from winged creatures...:rolleyes:

Don't even attempt to lay this on how he grew up. There's worse environments that many others grew up in & who still know how to exist without this type of immature BS. I'm not going to go into personal experience here but let's say I'd have more than enough reason to act like a child cuz my life was "mean to me" if I wanted to be as childish as T.O. but since I don't, apparently that just means I'm smarter. ;)

This isn't BraveHeart nor is he fighting for freedom. He's just a narcissist who likes the public's attention...nothin' more...

"Freedom fighter"....stunning...:rolleyes:

And interestingly, yesterday's San Francisco Chronicle reported that the Cowboys actually had to deny a story, apparently propagated by ESPN, that Todd Haley was going to be disciplined! (When asked on Friday whether there would be any disciplinary action over the argument, Jerry Jones had been quoted as saying, "Yes, against Haley. This is not a reflection on T.O.").

You just continue to over reach in your attempts to glorify this guy, Anthony...

Do me a favor & use someone else's posts for your propaganda. I'm not gonna get any lighter on this egotist....

[trayhezy]

We wouldn't even know TO from TD if not for ESPN. TO is not the only guy blowing up on the sidelines or acting an ass with coaches. Heck Jerry Porter is doing worse in Oakland right now, he just doesn't have 15 mics and 10 cameras following him around.

Example: Philly game. Why is it that after every bad play the cameras were following TO on the sidelines....after every good play or touchdown (dallas did score 24 points in the game) there were no cut away shots to TO. In the post game press conference those guys asked the same questions over and over and over to get a sound bite out of TO. I thought he did a good job of handling that situation but it is always going to be like that. I could see if the guy was not producing on the field and running his yap like Freddie Mitchell used to do but the guy is a baller. If ESPN would find some other story to report on we would all be happy but even Parcells is tired of answering questions about the guy.

[buckeyefan78]

Don't even attempt to lay this on how he grew up. There's worse environments that many others grew up in & who still know how to exist without this type of immature BS. I'm not going to go into personal experience here but let's say I'd have more than enough reason to act like a child cuz my life was "mean to me" if I wanted to be as childish as T.O. but since I don't, apparently that just means I'm smarter. ;)

This isn't BraveHeart nor is he fighting for freedom. He's just a narcissist who likes the public's attention...nothin' more...

The jesting of being "smarter" is what rubs people the wrong way...in my experience anyway.

When I, a lowly piece of white trash from the wrong side of the tracks, bargins with a kid who got a 34 on her ACT, makes more money on stocks and bonds than I do in salary, and who has a full ride to illustrious Baldwin-Wallace (which wouldn't have looked at me as a kid) for 20 minutes over classroom policy...it's not me who is the fool...it's her.

I should be in prison, dead, or in poverty. I'm not...I made it. She should be curing cancer...but instead had a 20 minute debate with me. That's her loss and the world's loss...not mine. We teach 'em everyone is the same and can do no wrong. And when they run into a situation where reality hits 'em...we wonder why they throw their fits and cry foul. The real problem comes when I don't allow them to forget they can do something with their life if they want. They have options that I didn't. It's not the easy way out...as everyone else has given them...so they freak.

They know it...and when they realize it...it eats at 'em. I wish they would do something about it but instead they go "T.O." on you. Being the victim is how they derive their personality. I guess it's easy for me to say all of it cuz I'm disposable. I don't even count. I doubt I would be a coward like they are if I had their talents, abilities, and opportunities though cuz the only thing I ever had was my word and work ethic. Worked so far.

BTW...what # is this on the troll list? :lol:

[IntheNet]

.. a lowly piece of white trash... :thumbdown: White Trash, Black Trash all the same... why did you bring race into this discussion? As I understand it, race has nothing at all to do with this topic....

[Anthony]

It's just an expression, IntheNet - and you've never heard of Edgar Winter's White Trash?

[IntheNet]

It's just an expression, IntheNet - and you've never heard of Edgar Winter's White Trash?
Yes I know of Edgar Winter...'Frankenstein' et al... the expression bothers me nonetheless...

[trayhezy]

Yeah Buck........

You are not trash.........you are just a Laker fan.........there IS a SLIGHT difference. :lol: :lol: :lol: