Jerry Porter Gets 4-Game Suspension

[Anthony]

Perhaps the Raiders' new slogan should be "Commitment To Brady Quinn."

They arguably took another huge step toward getting to draft Quinn on Saturday by suspending WR Jerry Porter (http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/OAK/9728205) for four games under the catch-all charge "conduct detrimental to the team" (in this case, failure to kiss the head coach's derriere).

Too bad Art Shell won't be around to coach Quinn next year.

[Tarkus]

Another case of the Man keepin' a poor man down.....:rolleyes:

Oakland could have 10 Porters & they'd still suck as bad. Just cuz the Raiders don't air their dirty laundry in public doesn't mean a thing. One thing is for sure, Shell's the kind of coach who doesn't put up with the new "athlete" who feels they're on the same level as a coach & can say or do anything with impunity.

& besides, if this a Master Plan to get Quinn, why wouldn't Shell be around since you feel he's doing such an admirable job at running the Raiders into the ground? If that was the case, he should get a raise...:P

[doublee]

Seeing as nobody wanted the job six/seven months ago it is hard to say if Shell will be around next year or not. They couldn't even get college coaches to come and interview for the job.

[Marc]

Do you think no one wants to coach them because of Al Davis? I do remember no one wanting the job, doublee.

[doublee]

I think Al Davis has a lot to do with it. My guess is they saw how he treated Jon Gruden a few years back and they don't want to deal with him. Ironic how he ran off both Shanahan and Gruden because they would not kowtow to the way he wanted things done and they went on to win Super Bowls after leaving the Raiders by doing things their own way.

I said in another thread a couple of weeks back that the Raiders will probably never be competitive again until Al Davis is out of the picture. He is too hands on as an owner and that seems to gum the works up quite a bit. Say what you want about Jerry Jones, but at least he knows enought to let his coaches do their thing and not try to instill a certain philosophy in how his team should play as Al Davis has been wont to do in the past.

[Anthony]

The most farcical thing about this whole affair is that it is Art Shell who is guilty of conduct detrimental to the team, with his childish vendetta against Jerry Porter: The Raiders defense is playing their hearts out, and is now ranked eighth in the NFL; if they had Porter in the lineup instead of the totally useless Alvis Whitted, it is not unreasonable to assume that Oakland's record would be something other than 0-5.

According to the local media, it was an offhand remark made by Porter to a teammate (which was overheard by Shell) wondering if a projected 90-minute practice was going to go on for three hours (it actually went two and a half) that constituted the "conduct detrimental to the team" that catalyzed the suspension, which is going to be appealed by the players' union, a representative of whom was quoted as saying something to the effect that it's "dollars to dynamite" that the suspension will be overturned.

And did you see the camera panning to Al Davis in the owner's box several times during the game? There are rumors that Davis is in ill health, and he sure looked the part.

[MountaineerDave]

Can you trade a guy who's on team suspension?
The Raiders have about 24 hours to get a trade done. It'd be kind of interesting if they opted (and found) to trade both Porter and Moss.

I'm personally rooting for the SuperSombrero. I was hugely disappointed that the Lions and Titans won yesterday. It's not my hatred of the Raiders, but my desire to see some ignoble history made. (Despising the Raiders doesn't hurt, though.)

BTW, I'm happy to see Chicago go 16-0. I just want some history... (No, I don't want Indy to go 16-0.)

[#99]

Al Davis has everything -- I repeat, EVERYTHING -- to do with why this franchise is in the crapper and why no one wants to coach them. He's a micromanager whose methods have long been outdated. He is a disease upon this team and things will never ever get better as long as he is in charge.

As for the suspension of Jerry Porter... Puh-lease. **** him. He hasn't played all season because of a coach's decision, anyway.

[doublee]

Can you trade a guy who's on team suspension?

I don't see why they couldn't. I mean since the Raiders are the ones who suspended him the team who got him would be well within its rights to re-instate him.

How ironic that the defense has been crappy the past several years and now that it is finally holding up the offense probably could not score 10 points against a high school team.

Being top ten in defense is pretty impressive given the Raiders are dead last in the league in time of possession.

[Anthony]

Since Porter was suspended by the Raiders, a team acquiring him in a trade would not have to honor (the remainder of) the suspension; had he been suspended by the league (for illegal substances, etc.), that would have been a different story.

[da12ken]

Man this team is terrible. If Oakland does end up with the first pick, they'd be better off trading it off for more picks, which they'd probably blow like they have in recent years (although Huff looks to be a nice addition).

[Anthony]

Man this team is terrible. If Oakland does end up with the first pick, they'd be better off trading it off for more picks, which they'd probably blow like they have in recent years (although Huff looks to be a nice addition).


No, NO, NO! Barring injuries etc., Brady Quinn guarantees at least 15 years' worth of elite quarterbacking to whoever ends up with him.

Meanwhile, as expected, an appeal of Jerry Porter's suspension (http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/OAK/9733556) has been filed.

[bama4256]

Art Shell great player bad coach. I'd like to see Brady Quinn go to Miami.

[doublee]

No, NO, NO! Barring injuries etc., Brady Quinn guarantees at least 15 years' worth of elite quarterbacking to whoever ends up with him.


Yeah, which is why they will probably take Dwayne Jarrett instead. After all they need to fill that roster spot vacated by Porter. :lol:

How is it that Moss can go on a radio show and he doesn't care about football right now and is just concentrating on enjoying life and get no retribution from the team yet Porter gets booted for four weeks for a rather benign comment about the length of practice?

[#99]

No, NO, NO! Barring injuries etc., Brady Quinn guarantees at least 15 years' worth of elite quarterbacking to whoever ends up with him.

Heath Shuler, Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith, David Klingler, Tim Couch, Andre Ware, Dan McGwire, etc...

Hate to rain on the parade, but there's no such thing as a "guaranteed" superstar QB coming out of college.

[doublee]

No, there isn't except there are reasons why some guys flop in the NFL.

Leaf caught lightning in a bottle and scouts fell in love his cannon of an arm irregardless of the fact that he was a headcase.

Smith had one season as a starting QB so nobody knew what the ceiling was on the guy and, again, everyone fell in love with his physical skills and neglected the fact that he played in the Pac-10 which has never been known for good defenses to begin with.

Tim Couch got sniped by injury bug and the fact that he was on an expansion team did not help matters either.

Ware and Klinger were system QBs who could not adapt to the pro style of offense. Not to mention they never played any serious competition in college.

As for McGwire see Ryan Leaf. Not to mention he played in a mediocre conference.

Heath Shuler got hit by the injury bug as well and could never seem to get himself healthy.

The thing about Brady Quinn is that he is a four year starter at the college level. College QBs who have had 30+ career starts seem to fare better than those who only had 10-20 starts in college. If I am not mistaken all of the QBs you mentioned were all guys who entered the draft after their junior seasons. Most of them were the flavor of the month who were not even on scouts' radars coming into the seasons that led to them entering the draft.

Look at the top four rated QBs in the league right now. Phillip Rivers and Donovan McNabb were both four year starters and Peyton Manning started for 3+ years at Tennessee. Of the Top ten rated passers in the league all of them played through their senior seasons in college.

On top of all of that Quinn has spent the last two years playing in pro style passing game under a coach who has the NFL bling to back it all up.

No, nothing is a sure thing in the NFL but history suggests that if he stays healthy Quinn should have a long and successful career.

[#99]

First off, I still can't quite believe you went through the effort to justify everyone of those yahoos I named off. Secondly, more importantly, if some of them were clear busts from the get-go, why didn't anyone recognize it?

Here's the thing, Michael Vick played two years of college football. Ortege Jenkins played and started for four.

Brett Favre, Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Daunte Culpepper, Steve McNair, Marc Bulger, Trent Green -- all guys who had either little expectation attached to them or played in "mediocre conferences" coming into the Draft. All are NFL starters and the first three on that list won Superbowls.

Joey Harrigton? Rick Mirer? Gino Torretta? All "can't miss guys" coming out of school. Trent Dilfer was a top ten pick. Drew Henson (just cut from the Vikings practice squad!) was thought to be good enough to be the #1 overall pick by some goofballs, even after being out of football for three years.

Now, Brady Quinn may be a "safer" pick, given his track record and playing under Charlie Weiss, but my point is that it doesn't mean he's a "guaranteed" success. Neither Peyton or Eli Manning were thought to be "guaranteed" successes despite their #1 overall selections. Same with Philip Rivers or Matt Leinart or Vince Young. That's what I was protesting. The Draft is more or less a crapshoot and in these individual cases, you cannot completely rely on history. To me, that's sort of like saying that the last six Superbowl runner-ups had losing seasons, so obviously Seattle will have a losing season, too. Gotta take it case by case.

[doublee]

Well, I'd hardly cite Micheal Vick as an argument for success as a QB in the NFL. He is mediocre at best as an NFL QB. The guy has never thrown for more than 20 TDs or 3,000 yards in his career.

Gino Torretta was never, ever seen as a can't miss QB coming out of college. If he was then explain to me why he was taken in the 7th round of the draft. Torretta was an afterthought coming out of college and only got a shot in the NFL because he won the Heisman.

Trent Dilfer did win a Super Bowl which is more than one can say for a lot of QBs.

Drew Henson played one year of college football and was never a top draft pick so I am not entirely sure why you are bringing him into the conversation.

I am not saying every QB who plays through his senior year is guranteed success. My point is that top rated QBs coming out of college after their senior seasons who started at least two seasons have a higher rate of success in comparison to those who start less than two seasons and enter the draft early.