Urban Meyer: classless coward

[buckeyefan78]

First we had Mack Brown. Tuberville? Yeah, he complains about the system non-stop (he also loses home games by 20 points non-stop). Now we have Urban Meyer.

In a news conference Monday Urban Meyer said he now favors a playoff after originally being against the idea. He's "getting closer and closer" to the idea.

Why the sudden change of heart? Well, he's about to lose out on the NC Game and he knows it.

Ya know...I understand you have to back your team up but to be this transparent and cowardly...man... just too classless and pathetic for my taste. I used to respect Meyer but this is just outrageous.

In the article Meyer calls for the top 8 conferences (I don't know who the other 2 would be aside from the BCS...CUSA and WAC?) to have a championship game and then hold a playoff from there. He even states that the Big Ten should have a title game.

C'Mon man. You're an Ohio boy. You know we can't do that yet you still get up there and spew this nonsense? Who are you kidding?

Again...I understand you have to do what you have to do but c'mon. Win your damn games and schedule tougher. The system is perfectly clear.
We have a playoff SEC...you guys are just too stubborn and/or dumb to comprehend it.

Florida non-conf:
Southern Mississippi
Central Florida
Florida State
Western Carolina

USC non-conf:
Arkansas
Nebraska
Notre Dame

How can you spin this intelligently? I mean...that's all I ask for Meyer. Like I always say: if you're gonna lie to me don't insult my intelligence and I'll buy it...or at least let it slide cuz you showed enough respect to think of a decent lie.

Meyer's crying link...

http://www.gatorsports.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061114/GATORS01/211140361

For as many issues I have with Tressel I honestly believe he would never do this kinda thing...especially when it is during the season and we all know the motives. He's very anti-playoffs.

Then again, my team schedules tough and doesn't have a bad habit of losing games during the regular season when we go to our championship games.

This is why we need to go back to the old way...no BCS and no playoffs. Look at what a distraction this is and it has absolutely no merit. I mean...you win a game and you're going to the SEC Championship (first time since 2000) and you bring this up in your press conference?

Football is secondary to politicking now. Pathetic.

[HibachiDG]

Well, it makes a lot of sense since there are people out there that would even consider Wisconsin ahead of Florida if they ranked the teams.

I mean, come on, you can't have Wisconsin number 3 in your Top Ten and then complain about coaches wanting a playoff. Especially if you call someone's actions in calling for a playoff pathetic, or call them a "classless coward". It's a ridiculous standard that you're presenting. Why do people call for a playoff? Because there are folks, rare as they may be, who think Wisconsin is a team that should be BCS bound.

[tobynosker]

Add myself to the growing list of "classless cowards," because the BCS has turned out to be nothing BUT a failure.

And, unless every other sport in the country is going to start relying on polls to determine who is the national champion in their respective sport, I think it is time for college football to start a playoff-system.

I know. How "pathetic" of me.

[buckeyefan78]

“I was at Bowling Green and 36 years old I was screaming and yelling and nobody was listening back then that we needed a playoff system because I had to stand up in front of a team that I felt was very good and we didn’t even get invited to a bowl game. So I kind of felt that a playoff system was necessary, to give a team like Bowling Green a chance. Now that I’ve been around a while, I’m a lot like coach (Ferentz) here. When you start playing 12 games, an SEC championship game and a bowl game, starting 14, 15, 16 games with 85 scholarships, you’re not functional. Competing in the conferences we compete in, you’re down to the bare nubs by the end of the season.” -Urban Meyer before the Outback Bowl last year

Nice pattern Meyer. You're for it when it benefits you and against it when things don't go your way.

I'll see you in 4th period tomorrow coach. :thumbup:

[Alex]

You want to see a cowardly act? Wisconsin backs out of their home and home with Virginia Tech.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4196/is_20050921/ai_n15362067

W officials asked for the change, according to Weaver, because of the difficulty of UW's 2008 schedule. "That is exactly what the issue was," Weaver said.

The Badgers open that season Aug. 30 against visiting Akron, face a team yet to be determined on Sept. 6 and then play Sept. 13 at Fresno State. They would have played host to Virginia Tech on Sept. 20.Mighty Akron and Fresno State? :rolleyes: Give me a friggin' break. This is exactly why Wisconsin deserves NO respect. Can you imagine if Michigan, Ohio State or Penn State pulled this crap? Hard to respect the Badgers when those other three are playing Notre Dame, Alabama, Nebraska, Southern Cal, Texas, etc.

Buckeye, it's kind of hilarious that you put Wisconsin way the hell up there and then knock on the SEC teams because they play no one OOC.

That being said, I'm not too keen on a lot of Buckeye's old time ways of thinking in regards to college football but I have to agree with him on this. Go back to the old system. Honestly, it wasn't any worse than what we have right now. The only change I would suggest is recognizing all major conference undefeateds as national champions. Or having the +1 championship game at the end if there are multiple unbeatens. While some have pointed out to me that it really isn't logistically sound, I think they could work it out and play it during the weekend between the NFL conference championship games and the Super Bowl.

[HibachiDG]

Nice pattern Meyer. You're for it when it benefits you and against it when things don't go your way.

Isn't it quite hypocritical to say this, given that you use SOS when it benefits you and not when it doesn't go your way?

[themush]

I'm freaking speechless. Fact of the matter is college football players, coaches, analysts are all begining to lean towards a playoff system.

[buckeyefan78]

I swear you guys are my kids in disguise sometimes. :P

One more time and we'll do it in general terms. Forget BCS, forget playoffs, forget title games, forget football. Forget everything posted before and here we go...

A man, let's call him Urban, receives a position within his profession that is highly regarded. In his profession there are clearly defined rules and regulations. Some of these rules and regulations benefit Urban in the process of attaining the goals he was hired to achieve. Other rules and regulations hamper his attempt to attain the goals he was brought in to conquer. Being an extremely intelligent and highly-skilled individual (obviously considering his position), Urban operates in his profession under these guidelines...thus accepting all the good and bad things about his job...and does so with the understanding that things will not always go his way due to the way the position is designed. I believe many of us can relate to this scenario as this is a common situation in any profession. Think of your own jobs/responsibilties.

Having accepted the rules and regulations as well as having the ability to properly address any concerns he may have at designated times (he even has a friend named Tommy on the board's rules committee), Urban comes across a situation during the course of his job that hampers his ability to achieve one of his major goals.

As a professional and working in a career that requires a certain level of moral standing thru the profession's values (such as being a good leader, cooperating in fair play, cooperating in good faith, and instilling values in young people), Urban now faces a dilemma. All professions have ethical codes. Some are specifically noted (hippocratic oath) while others rely on traditional standards.

Urban has two choices at this point...

1. He can betray his profession by failing to uphold the rules, regulations, values, and ethics within his job. When he accepted his responsibilities he agreed to bring problems such as his current dilemma to brass at designated times. He can break that responsibility and bring up the problem during the course of his job even though it would be fruitless in solving his current situation because the standards of his job don't acknowledge change at this juncture and have no formal hearing on matters such as these til a later date. Urban understands that addressing the problem will not change the situation at present time as well as devalue the work others have done within his profession (thus being unprofessional) because they are following the rules and regulations in a proper fashion while he is not. Urban is facing a classic situation of trouble-shooting. He FAILED at a responsibility he was hired to take care of and is now thinking about diverting attention away from his failure by blaming the system...a system he agreed to work within and fully understood when he took his position. Urban's bosses may wonder why he would be complaining at this juncture. They hired him with the understanding that he would get the job done and not make excuses. Troubling indeed.

2. Urban has another choice though. He can work within the rules and regulations he previously agreed to and by doing so will uphold the integrity of his position, the profession he is in, as well as maintaing certain ethical/moral responsibilites he has to people under him. The problem isn't going away though. Meyer can decide to accept the RESPONSIBILITY OF FAILURE of one of the goals he was hired to achieve and deal with the consequences. After all, he would accept the fruits of his labor so why not the defeats? If he goes this route the problem's consequences will fall on Urban which will look unfavorably on him. But then again, that comes with the territory especially considering Urban's job is all about assignment, responsibility, trust, and values on many many levels.

Urban makes his choice. He picks option #1. What words describe Urban in this situation?

A. Classless
B. Coward
C. All of the above

:thumbup:

[themush]

Wow you got pretty deep on this one huh? I understand your arguement however, what if Meyers underlings were complaining to him in this hypothetical. Should he go to bat for them or just tell them tough shat, suck it up and we'll try next year. Those of you whom this is your last chance, thanks for all you've done for me but, better luck at your next job.

[buckeyefan78]

Wow you got pretty deep on this one huh? I understand your arguement however, what if Meyers underlings were complaining to him in this hypothetical. Should he go to bat for them or just tell them tough shat, suck it up and we'll try next year. Those of you whom this is your last chance, thanks for all you've done for me but, better luck at your next job.

Great question mush.

Meyer to those under him:

I failed at my duties. I failed you. We have no one to blame but ourselves. Your complaints aren't justified cuz we all understood what we were getting into when we accepted our duties. I went to bat for you guys as far as I could within the context of my job but it wasn't to be. I apologize. Failure can be a great learning tool and I hope all of us can improve in whatever comes our way from this experience.

How about it mush? No shiny trophies but reality. Works for me. :thumbup:

[themush]

Good Lord, that response reminds me of my days working for corporate America.

[buckeyefan78]

:lol:

Sorry for the flashback mush but that's the way it goes.

You have to have standards and accountability though. We all know once we fail (like losing a football game or not giving yourself the best shot at getting a job done) you can only blame yourself. Sure you can hope you get that 2nd chance but hey...life sucks sometimes. That's why I'm so disappointed in Urban. Think about it mush: he goes to his kids and says "give me all you got and that's all we'll ever need" and then things don't go their way. It happens. But when you complain about the consequences being unfair (when you know you only have yourself to blame), you've devalued what those kids gave to you. That's where it really hurts.

Do you have any idea what I'm gonna do to the loser of the OSU-UM game this weekend? Oh God, talk about getting roasted. The values, rules, and responsibilites have never been more clear: those who fail on Saturday...don't even bring your head up.

[themush]

Maybe Cal will wins this week and USC beats ND and Meyer will once again praise the BCS for it's ability to work itseslf out.:D

[buckeyefan78]

Maybe Cal will wins this week and USC beats ND and Meyer will once again praise the BCS for it's ability to work itseslf out.:D

:lol:

And that's part of my beef here. Every year at this EXACT time it's like clockwork:

Team #3 lookin' in complains about the system as if being the "first loser" is somehow grounds for a recount or something just because it happens to be you. :rolleyes: Well...no sh**. Ya think there isn't a "first loser" the years you win?

Pathetic.

Don't cry for any of 'em. They all got the ability, intelligence, and talent to get to their own #1. Accept no substitutes cuz if ya did...it only lowers the whole experience for all of us.

[bama4256]

Playoffs would be a disaster. The Bowl games have such a great tradition. Also the season would last too long I suspose and run very much into basketball season.

[Anthony]

Why can't the Big Ten have a title game?

Get one more team to join - preferrably Notre Dame - and form two six-team divisions just like several other conferences now have; or you could even get real creative and form three four-team divisions, and have two conference semifinal games (with the three division winners plus a wild card team qualifying) as well as a championship game (wasn't this indeed the subject of a thread I started over here a while back?).

And I think it's hypocritical to oppose an NCAA Division I-A playoff in football when every other NCAA division has one, and the season-extending argument rings pretty hollow, when you consider that with an eight-team playoff you would be adding only two weeks to the college football season, whereas the NCAA basketball playoffs, including the (largely meaningless) conference tournaments that precede them, drag on for a whole month, or very close to it.