USC's balls the biggest?

[vipendacsh]

I saw Pete Carroll and other USC execs trotting/tripping off the field after another big win over Notre Dame last Saturday. Pete could barely walk straight because his nuts were so big, he looked more like a penguin waddling off the field. Let me explain one thing before going any further, I'm absolutely not a USC fan. Last year when ND looked as if they won the game/when the clock ran out/when lienart fumbled the ball out of bounds, i was yelling/jumping around like a fool out of joy for ND; so i am by no means a USC fan. But they've scheduled the toughest teams OOC (Nebraska, ND, Arkansas), no other OOC schedule in the nation compares. Every team plays in the conference they're in, that's a given and most of them can't do anything about that. The only comparisons that can be made are OOC because teams play within their conference and beat each other up and that doesn't mean they're weaker conferences. I'm tired of hearing about Wisconsin and Florida...and Michigan. USC played a large conference team EVERY weak this season...and lost once. nuff said.

[brady_44]

If they beat UCLA there is no doubt they are the team that deserves to go... for all the reasons you stated and some. Pete Carroll is a great coach, and although I think OSU is the better team, he will give them some problems.

[DETMURDS]

I saw Pete Carroll and other USC execs trotting/tripping off the field after another big win over Notre Dame last Saturday. Pete could barely walk straight because his nuts were so big, he looked more like a penguin waddling off the field. Let me explain one thing before going any further, I'm absolutely not a USC fan. Last year when ND looked as if they won the game/when the clock ran out/when lienart fumbled the ball out of bounds, i was yelling/jumping around like a fool out of joy for ND; so i am by no means a USC fan. But they've scheduled the toughest teams OOC (Nebraska, ND, Arkansas), no other OOC schedule in the nation compares. Every team plays in the conference they're in, that's a given and most of them can't do anything about that. The only comparisons that can be made are OOC because teams play within their conference and beat each other up and that doesn't mean they're weaker conferences. I'm tired of hearing about Wisconsin and Florida...and Michigan. USC played a large conference team EVERY weak this season...and lost once. nuff said.

Top three team in the BIG 10 are 34-2 if I'm not mistaken? I live in the Seattle area, the Huskies, and Cougars are horrible, The Huskies nearly beat USC, and the second team in Oregon did beat USC,...Oregon State University. Michigan beat ND in that stadium that was built in copy of Michigan Stadium.
Pac 10 is a conference that plays in nearly perfect weather all the time as well,...it is full of parity, that is why they are beating each other up. ND sucked after Michigan demoralized them, and Mich State showed how weakened they were from the loss as well. ND was exploited after the Mich loss!

My thoughts, thats all, no harm intended ok?

[HibachiDG]

Top three team in the BIG 10 are 34-2 if I'm not mistaken?

Yeah, but uh, realistically, Wisconsin is the worst one loss team in the history on one loss teams. I'm not trying to argue the Pac-10 v. Big Ten, just that the top three teams in the Big Ten being 34-2 is just a stat and not exactly important to any kind of discussion of USC v. Michigan or whoever.

[DETMURDS]

Yeah, but uh, realistically, Wisconsin is the worst one loss team in the history on one loss teams. I'm not trying to argue the Pac-10 v. Big Ten, just that the top three teams in the Big Ten being 34-2 is just a stat and not exactly important to any kind of discussion of USC v. Michigan or whoever.


Ok, let me put it this way,...USC did not lose to a quality team when they were beaten by Oregon State,...however, Wisconsin only lost to Michigan! At the same time, everyone is amazed by the play of Rutgers?

It doesn't matter anyhow since I think the BSC doesn't allow more than two teams from the same conference! BCS doesn't want even two teams from the same conference either, if so,...M GO BLUE is there!

[HibachiDG]

ok, but why put it this way...

let me put it this way,...USC did not lose to a quality team when they were beaten by Oregon State,...however, Wisconsin only lost to Michigan! At the same time, everyone is amazed by the play of Rutgers?

Is the thing I don't understand. I mean, I've seen Wisconsin play, a LOT and there is no way they should even be in the conversation with USC.

[The Pirate Bob]

Riddle me this one: The justification of keeping Boise State out of Championship Game.

Boise State 42 - Oregon State 14
Oregon State 33 - USC 31

[DETMURDS]

ok, but why put it this way...



is the thing I don't understand. I mean, I've seen Wisconsin play, a LOT and there is no way they should even be in the conversation with USC.

Did you see Washington nearly beat USC, or Oregon State beat USC? The freak'n BEAVERS! I'll add,...did you see Wisconsin lose to anyone but the #2 team in the polls at the time? USC's loss proves that any team that has lost focus will lose to even a much lower rated team. In college football, every team has to be up for every game, and if they want to win, they must earn it! This is what I am trying to drill into many people's heads! I don't like Wisconsin anyhow, but this shows that good teams don't lose to teams that end up with more than 2 losses! Oregon State is a 3 game loss team (I think?), but Wisconsin lost to the #2 (Michigan) team in the country who only lost to the #1 team(Ohio St)!

I am just "doing the math!"

I won't beat it up anymore,...the horse is dead.

[DETMURDS]

Riddle me this one: The justification of keeping Boise State out of Championship Game.

Boise State 42 - Oregon State 14
Oregon State 33 - USC 31

Ok, Oregon State is not a good team! They were only up for USC, and USC wasn't up for them! Shame on any team that wants to win a National Championship!:thumbdown: !

[HibachiDG]

I don't like Wisconsin anyhow, but this shows that good teams don't lose to teams that end up with more than 2 losses! Oregon State is a 3 game loss team (I think?), but Wisconsin lost to the #2 (Michigan) team in the country who only lost to the #1 team(Ohio St)!

I am just "doing the math!"

I won't beat it up anymore,...the horse is dead.

I have no problem with you doing the math. My point is that it is ridiculous to do the math. Wisconsin ONLY lost 1 game to the #2 team in the country who lost to the #1 team in the country (your math) because they played an easy schedule. If you want to argue that the Pac10 also is not good, fine. I'm just making a point that it is irrelevant to a discussion about top teams that OSU/UM/Wiscy are a combined 34-2. That's the only part of your post that I pointed out and took issue with.

[vipendacsh]

i hear....

usc lost to oregon state which is not a good team
wisconsin's (lol) only loss is to Mich
michigan's (lol) only loss is to Ohio
usc is overrated

I'm going to take all of these on at once, usc played a bcs team every week this season....neither wisc or mich can claim that. if, big if, nebraska wins against oklahoma, and if arkansas wins against florida; usc will have beaten four of the undisputably best BCS conference teams in the country. They beat the best team from the Pac-10(Cal), best SEC team(ark), best big-10 team(nebr) and the best independant(ND). neither wisc or mich can claim anything close to that much. nuff said.

[DETMURDS]

i hear....

usc lost to oregon state which is not a good team
wisconsin's (lol) only loss is to Mich
michigan's (lol) only loss is to Ohio
usc is overrated

I'm going to take all of these on at once, usc played a bcs team every week this season....neither wisc or mich can claim that. if, big if, nebraska wins against oklahoma, and if arkansas wins against florida; usc will have beaten four of the undisputably best BCS conference teams in the country. They beat the best team from the Pac-10(Cal), best SEC team(ark), best big-10 team(nebr) and the best independant(ND). neither wisc or mich can claim anything close to that much. nuff said.


USC did not, and I repeat, did not play a BCS team every week of the season! UCLA is next, are they on that list of BCS teams too? NOT! Think as you please? Thanks for the comment.

[Dublin Mike]

I think what he is saying is that USC played a BCS conference team every week. Every team they played was from the "Big 5." No Cincinatis, Eastern Michigans or AA schools.

[DETMURDS]

I think what he is saying is that USC played a BCS conference team every week. Every team they played was from the "Big 5." No Cincinatis, Eastern Michigans or AA schools.


Cool, but I only read what he wrote. As for the BCS, I know for a fact that the BIG 10, and only the BIG 10 will be the only conference represented in the two top BCS games, right?

Something I would love to see is USC play in some cold, and snowy football games. The way the game was meant to be played, BIG 10 style,....I don't think we would have that big of balls in SOCAL anymore either!

I like debating on this, I'm freindly, so I hope nobody is offended?

[bama4256]

USC is the next College champions after they kick Ohio St into the Ohio river.:thumbup:

[DETMURDS]

I am not sure that anyone can beat OSU? Actually as a Wolverines Fan, I hate the Buckeyes, but I know the reality of things, and I find it hard to see USC even coming close to beating them IF they even get to play them for a National Championship. The game will be played nowhere near the Ohio River either:lol:

[The Pirate Bob]

Cool, but I only read what he wrote. As for the BCS, I know for a fact that the BIG 10, and only the BIG 10 will be the only conference represented in the two top BCS games, right?

Something I would love to see is USC play in some cold, and snowy football games. The way the game was meant to be played, BIG 10 style,....I don't think we would have that big of balls in SOCAL anymore either!

I like debating on this, I'm freindly, so I hope nobody is offended?



I guess that is why the Big 10 has lost so many Rose Bowls over the years when they marched in there ranked number 1 and got beat. Hard for them to play in that nice weather.

[DETMURDS]

I'm just living in "the now", to be honest. Get some!

[vipendacsh]

first of all detmurds, of course i meant a bcs conference team. usc couldn't fill their schedule with bcs teams because 1)they're not psychic, they don't know two years in advance who's going to be a bcs team and 2)there are conference schedules to take into consideration...duh, but i'm sure they would if they could because as we all know their balls are t....you know....The thing is, they scheduled a team that's going to be competetive year in and year out. Michigan scheduled teams that don't fall into this category (e.g. CMich, BSt.), Florida did also (e.g. CFlor, WCaro), so did Ohio St. (e.g. BGU, NIlli), and Wisconhahahahaha. Plus USC DID THIS THE YEAR AFTER THEY LOST TWO HIESMAN TROPHY WINNERS. Their balls are the biggest.

And the repeated comment about nobody can hang with Ohio St. Penn St. hung with them and Michigan hung with them, neither of these teams made me think they were actually going to beat them but the point is there are too many good players out there for these colleges to choose from to automatically eliminate the possibility of Ohio St. loosing. A team with the right game plan could top Ohio St. I don't like USC but the more this crap goes on with Ohio St. fans and sports commentators claiming unbeatability and greatness the more i want to see them lose.

[DETMURDS]

Again, I hate Ohio State, but in my opinioin, they are the best team out there because they already beat the 2nd best team from Ann Arbor! We all have our thoughts and what I say are just that, my thoughts. I try to add some statistical/factual information, and if any of it is wrong, please let me know, otherwise, what am I doing so wrong?

If we want to talk about teams playing weak teams, look at the past, and all those National Championships who beat very weak team,...nearly all of them if you ask me. My point is USC got beat by one of those teams.

I love the debate, I don't mean to make anyone mad or anything like that.

[HibachiDG]

Starting to look a lot like Gators/Buckyes.

[HibachiDG]

Spoke too damn soon. ****in' Leak. Where the hell is TEBOW at?

[HibachiDG]

Guess I did not speak too soon.

[Alex]

Gators win. Hopefully we get Florida/Ohio State now.

It's not that UM doesn't deserve it, I just think Florida deserves a shot after winning the SEC. Michigan had their chance and couldn't get it done.

We could do away with the Florida/Michigan controversy altogether if the BCS just put in a rule that made winning your conference a requirement to earn a berth in the BCS championship game and only waive it if there are no other one-loss or undefeated teams.

[DETMURDS]

Another loss to a weak team for USC,...I don't think they have balls anymore! Send them off to the Holiday Bowl now where they belong. Two losses to weak teams won't cut it!

Yes it will probably be Florida, and my only reply to that is why did they keep Michigan at #3?

Michigan didn't win the BIG 10, but they are still the second best team in college football. I really wish Michigan could play Florida, they would tear them up entirely!

This game will be an ugly lopsided, not worth watching game. Ohio State will crush them like as if they were playing UCLA, or a Oregon State!

[HibachiDG]

I have always hated the idea of a playoff, but if Michigan gets to the Title game, I'll 100% support a playoff. To me, Michigan getting into the Title game is absolutely absurd. The ONLY argument for Michigan is that they lost to Ohio State. Florida played in the tougher Conference, has more quality wins, played week in and week out a clearly tougher schedule and they both finished with one loss. Michigan getting to the Title game would be an absolute joke. And if you hit the bottom of the barrel, you have to just blow the whole thing up and say the hell with it. And at this point, you can't just go back to the old system, so the playoff is the only place you can go.

That said, I think Florida should go and that they will go. So, I don't think I'll have to support a playoff system just yet.

[Dublin Mike]

That said, I think Florida should go and that they will go. So, I don't think I'll have to support a playoff system just yet

I dunno Doug. Hearing too may people say they wanna see OSU,Michigan 2. Ugh.

off topic, but.... Isn't it funny how John Saunders used to slurp the BCS when they were on ABC, now he trashes it since they are on FOX?:lol:

[HibachiDG]

Yeah, there are a lot of people who have been on wanting to see the rematch for a couple of weeks now. I don't know, to me, it's overwhelming that Florida should get the spot and I think people are going to come around to that. I think as the weeks go on more and more people realize that the SEC is hands down the best Conference in college football.

Just comparing the schedules, Florida walks away with this thing. I really only think that Michigan has one argument...that their one loss was against a better team than Auburn. But, from there, everything just begins to avalanche against them.

[Dublin Mike]

Yeah, there are a lot of people who have been on wanting to see the rematch for a couple of weeks now. I don't know, to me, it's overwhelming that Florida should get the spot and I think people are going to come around to that. I think as the weeks go on more and more people realize that the SEC is hands down the best Conference in college football.

Just comparing the schedules, Florida walks away with this thing. I really only think that Michigan has one argument...that their one loss was against a better team than Auburn. But, from there, everything just begins to avalanche against them.

But aren't the selections this week? People don't have a few weeks to think about it.

And if one more person says something aboute "style points," I am gonna kick my TV screen. Pne of my fav football quotes of all time is Herm Edwards: "We play to win the game." I don't care if it's sloppy. A W is a W. No one mentions style points when talking about Michigan having to hang on to beat Ball State.

[HibachiDG]

But aren't the selections this week? People don't have a few weeks to think about it.

I didn't mean that. Was saying that as the weeks of the season go on, more and more people have been in tune with the SEC being the strongest Conference and that I think that will culminate with Florida passing Michigan this week.

[DETMURDS]

But aren't the selections this week? People don't have a few weeks to think about it.

And if one more person says something aboute "style points," I am gonna kick my TV screen. Pne of my fav football quotes of all time is Herm Edwards: "We play to win the game." I don't care if it's sloppy. A W is a W. No one mentions style points when talking about Michigan having to hang on to beat Ball State.

In addition:

Take a look and one will see that the MICH vs Ball St featured 2nd, and 3rd string players from Michigan for the most part. They didn't hang on, they paid some respect by not running up the score when they could have really pushed it in,...c'mon!

Michigan lost to OSU, ....Florida lost to Auburn,...where is Auburn going,...something like the Las Vegas Bowl lol?

[DETMURDS]

Hey, where are all those people talking BIG BALLS? All I hear is crickets!

[da12ken]

I think USC's got squeezed this week lol.

[suedon1970]

Quote: Michigan didn't win the BIG 10, but they are still the second best team in college football. I really wish Michigan could play Florida, they would tear them up entirely!


I love all this "If Michigan could only play Florida then they would whoop their a**es" crap. Reality is, they lost to Ohio State, didn't win the Big Ten, so therefore don't deserve to play in the big game. Michigan only beat one quality team all year (Notre Dame) and nearly lost to lowly Ball State (don't compare that outcome to Fla almost losing to South Carolina-there are NO comparisons!). If USC would've won, then this would be a moot point, but they believed their own hype, looked ahead and lost to a team they should have smacked around.....

[DETMURDS]

Quote: Michigan didn't win the BIG 10, but they are still the second best team in college football. I really wish Michigan could play Florida, they would tear them up entirely!


I love all this "If Michigan could only play Florida then they would whoop their a**es" crap. Reality is, they lost to Ohio State, didn't win the Big Ten, so therefore don't deserve to play in the big game. Michigan only beat one quality team all year (Notre Dame) and nearly lost to lowly Ball State (don't compare that outcome to Fla almost losing to South Carolina-there are NO comparisons!). If USC would've won, then this would be a moot point, but they believed their own hype, looked ahead and lost to a team they should have smacked around.....

Florida will not hang with OSU like Michigan did. Matter of fact I will say right here and now that OSU will beat them so badly, Michigan ends up ranked #2 when it is all said and done!

A playoff system is needed. Michigan was left out only because they didn't wan't a rematch. Shame on them, it is suppose to be the two best teams!

This means that this season will sport two BIG 10 teams on top of the college football world!

[suedon1970]

Florida will not hang with OSU like Michigan did. Matter of fact I will say right here and now that OSU will beat them so badly, Michigan ends up ranked #2 when it is all said and done!

A playoff system is needed. Michigan was left out only because they didn't wan't a rematch. Shame on them, it is suppose to be the two best teams!


What makes you think Michigan would be able to "hang" with OSU this time? I think it's a little early to be making predictions on the score. Remember: a lot of people didn't think OSU could hang with Miami back in 2002, either........

[DETMURDS]

What makes you think Michigan would be able to "hang" with OSU this time? I think it's a little early to be making predictions on the score. Remember: a lot of people didn't think OSU could hang with Miami back in 2002, either........


Well, if one remembers, the field at OSU had new sod on it, it was tearing up big time during the game and it took Michigan's great defense out of the game. That is why I state that.

Too early to make predictions? Why?

As for that Miami vs Ohio game,...c'mon, very bad call with that pass interference in the end zone, it cost the Canes the game. At the same time, I was not one saying OSU couldn't hang. I have that game on tape. That piss-poor call was almost as bad as the calls the ref made in the last Super Bowl.

[suedon1970]

As for that Miami vs Ohio game,...c'mon, very bad call with that pass interference in the end zone, it cost the Canes the game. At the same time, I was not one saying OSU couldn't hang. I have that game on tape. That piss-poor call was almost as bad as the calls the ref made in the last Super Bowl.

AMEN!!! Couldn't agree more - don't get me wrong: I despise the "U" but thought that was an extremely bogus call.....

[Alex]

If Michigan's defense was so "great" they would have overcome the new sod. Besides, the Buckeyes had to deal with it too.

I'm loving the whining that continues to poor out of Ann Arbor from Michigan fans. When Penn State fans complain about the refs, PSU fans are whiners. I guess when UM gets screwed over, it's alright to complain even though there's a perfectly rational explanation.

[Richard the Lionheart]

I don't want to get into the pass interference call again, but I will just because its such a silly argument. Not only was it technically pass interference under the NCAA rules if you look at the play (which most people admit), but the refs took no more time in throwing that flag than they do in many pass interference calls. It is not uncommon for flags to come several seconds after a play in which pass interference occurs. And, even if those two statements weren't true, and it was a bad call, the game wouldn't have even made it to overtime if a similarly atrocious call that went Miami's way didn't occurr during their last drive. Games aren't officiated by computers. Mistakes are made for both sides, and 99% of the time bad calls even out. Unless you want to argue in that game that OSU got all of the questionable calls, there isn't much of an argument in saying they didn't deserve to win that game...and by the way, the call was right, and happened 5 years ago.

Anyway, this discussion is highlighting the false mindset people have for this "National Title" game. This game was not designed, and shouldn't be looked at, as a right teams have for being in the top two at the end of the year. There is no entitlement to it. It was designed, poorly, to settle disputes for the National Championship between equally deserving teams. (i.e. Michigan and Nebraska in 97--the BCS was implimented a year later, or as mentioned before Miami-Ohio State in '02, or Texas-USC last year) It is not designed to be a second chance for teams who already had a chance to prove they were the best team in the country, and failed. If I was a voter, this is what I would keep in mind while doing my part to select the participants in the game. In my opinion, the only year the BCS failed was in 2003 when an undefeated Auburn was left empty-handed after running their schedule. Even then, the media could have easily corrected that mistake in their AP ballots, but strangely chose not to.

Michigan has no logical claim to a National Title based on its regular season. Based on what happened on the field, it is unarguably not the best team in the country. Even if they are the second best team, which is only subjective, this should not matter. This isn't what the game is for--and why the game is stupid, and should be eliminated with a return to the old system, with a plus one game after the bowls ONLY WHEN THE NEED ARISES.

Florida has a very weak claim to being the best team in the country this year, but certainly it can't be argued that any other team has a stronger one. If the SEC is two games better than the Big Ten this year, Florida may very well be the best team in the country. We already know Michigan isn't. Nevertheless, in a perfect system Ohio State or any undefeated team should only have to win the bowl game they were supposed to be in under the old system to claim a National Title, when there are no other undefeateds at the end of the year. This should not be a second chance game. It should be a game to settle a claim between teams with an equal claim to the title.

Nevertheless, under this system 2 teams MUST play every year for the title, and since that is the case, I fail to see how any team other than Ohio State is more deserving than Florida.

[buckeyefan78]

DETMURDS...

Do you have the play on tape where it is a 3rd and 11 with about 3:18 left in the 4th when Miami tackles Gamble and no pass interference is called? Run 'em back to back and tell me what you think. :rolleyes:

Sod?

Pathetic.

[DETMURDS]

DETMURDS...

Do you have the play on tape where it is a 3rd and 11 with about 3:18 left in the 4th when Miami tackles Gamble and no pass interference is called? Run 'em back to back and tell me what you think. :rolleyes:

Sod?

Pathetic.

I will have to take a look at that,..I remember a bunch of mistakes by the zebras in that OSU VS Miami game. The one that I mention is the back-breaker from hell though.

Sod? Ok, please answer this,..."what is harder to play on with bad traction,..offense, or defense?" Also, what is Michigan's forte? Isn't it defense? That is all I am saying. Yes, both teams had to play on it, but aside from the crowd, that crappy carpet was the biggest headache for U of M

They (OSU) should break down and get one of those fancy new rubber carpets,...yes, like Michigan's! lol!

Yes, I concede, Michigan lost that game. Congrats to OSU.