Finally class shows thru: Great coach Carr talks about Coward Meyer...

[buckeyefan78]

The chicken*** Meyer has been yapping since last night. Carr took him to task. About time...

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2684870

I can't wait for Meyer to get his ass handed to him by OSU or whatever team he plays. I'm tired of his bulls***.

ESPN tried to hype the words up last night on SC but they couldn't change the fact that Carr has remained consistent with dignity while Meyer has proven to be a piece of trash.

[da12ken]

Can we keep this the running "Who will get the #2 BSC spot" thread? Because there's bound to be one.

Michigan is #3 in the latest coach's poll by a very, very slim margin.

Yea, Meyer more or less was a used cars salesman on last night's SportsCenter. Carr just sounded like he was giving token statements, but he certainly wasn't outright pining.

Also, if anyone can find video of Gary Danielson's Florida argument from yesterday's game, I'd appreciate it. I heard it was a hoot.

[buckeyefan78]

I don't know what Danielson said but I'm sure it had something to do with SOS...cuz that's all I keep hearing about. They are trying to use overall winning percentage as some kinda argument in favor of Florida in terms of SOS.

Sagarin's SOS (you know...the guy who was/is/ and will always be "the man" for whatever reason when it comes to this stuff)...

Michigan #13
Florida #19

Combine that with the fact Michigan lost to a better quality opponent...and well...there ya go. Don't shoot me...I'm just the messenger of the system that was agreed upon in this case.

The overall winning percentage thing is ESPN's doing. Go figure. Tell me who you guys think is a better team...

Arkansas 10-3
Houston 10-3

I mean...after all...they have the same winning percentage...right?

What a bogus angle by ESPN. You have one uniform SOS that is in your system...PERIOD.

Probably Meyer's influence in there...the piece of garbage.

BTW...I don't care what you guys use this thread as Ken. I'll just continue to post my madness where I want.

[buckeyefan78]

I just checked the coach's poll Ken. Florida has 26 more points than Michigan there. Michigan had 40 more last week. Looks like they are going to rework their votes to create a matchup. So bogus. Why does anyone take any of this seriously? This will only put pressure on the Big Ten to extend their season past the weekend before Thanksgiving (against our strong tradition) cuz if you keep winnin' games after others you are better than them...I guess.

I crown a new #1...Oregon State. They won the last regular season game of the season early this morning. Something like 3:30 A.M. my time. They must be the best team in the land.

When will madness end?

[da12ken]

8:00 EST people. Everyone get here so we can fling feces at the same thing.

[buckeyefan78]

8:00 EST people. Everyone get here so we can fling feces at the same thing.

:lol:

I won't be here...unfortunately. :( I'll address my disgust tomorrow evening though. :thumbup:

The whole situation is so frustrating. I don't want to play Michigan...that would break tradition. I don't want to play Florida cuz...well...I don't even know their tradition (or care to learn).

The idea of letting the same people create a playoff that have done all this bullsh** to us just blows my mind though. The people who want a playoff remind me of my kids (ugh...that can't be good) who want several tries to fix a problem they f***** up in the first place cuz they wouldn't let things be the first time. And since they have no idea of proper ownership, accountability, and respect for others...of course they f*** it up again and again.

So frustrating. The story of my life in the world of sports. And I got Meyer as my most "challenged" student right now.

[buckeyefan78]

Another rant:

This was in my original link in regards to Meyer's crying and Carr finally speaking up on it but Tressel refused to vote in the coach's poll...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/ncaa/12/03/bc.fbc.t25.tressel.vote.ap/index.html

Again...I got my issues with Tressel but this is how you do it. Another case of class in the face of trash (Meyer).

[Dublin Mike]

So does this mean you want Mike Hart kicked off the team? Remember this:
I guarantee if we play, it would be a whole different game. We should have got them the first time around.

[buckeyefan78]

I don't know how Carr handled Hart in that situation Mike. It was classless and deserves criticism. Please don't deflect what the coward Meyer has said here though. If you'd like, create another thread on it/PM me and I could address that situation.

I know the angle of deflection well my friend...I live it 8 hours a day/5 days a week. We can't let anyone off the hook for being a coward.

[HibachiDG]

So, Meyer has no class because he speaks his mind, is consistent and honest...yet Carr is sneaky, politicking and generally just trying to pull strings by saying he likes the current system and doesn't want to blow it up and yet he has class? Interesting.

In case you missed it buckeye, Carr was on ESPN last night and said...first, that he hoped they wouldn't be penalized, then said he wouldn't campaign...and then he proceeded to campaign.

I truly don't think you know what class even is.

[Dublin Mike]

78. this isn't about deflection. I don't think Meyer is the 1st coach to ever campaign for his team. Bob Stoops, Tom Osbourne, several others. This is college football. It happens.

My problem with this is, if this were not an SEC coach, specifically Florida, doing the campaining, then this would be a non issue with you.

That's as far as I'm going. I'm not getting into another one of these "the south sucks" debates. It's old and pointless.

[HibachiDG]

78. this isn't about deflection. I don't think Meyer is the 1st coach to ever campaign for his team. Bob Stoops, Tom Osbourne, several others.

Uh, Lloyd Carr. In the past decade, I don't think a coach has campaigned more for their team like this than Carr has, which is why it's extremely hilarious that Meyer has no class for simply "pulling a Carr" while Carr gets a pass.

[Richard the Lionheart]

The fact that Carr isn't saying "we don't deserve it" after being beaten in THE GAME suggests to me he doesn't have much class either, or understand the tradition of his program. Not that I agree with what Meyer is doing either...

Anyway, I don't think a team that isn't a conference champ should be allowed to play for a National Championship. We already know that Michigan is not the best team in America...because they aren't the best team in their conference. We don't know that about Florida. Maybe what everyone is saying is true and the SEC is far and away the best conference in America. Maybe one loss there is just as good as no losses in the Big Ten this year. I think its highly unlikely, but is more likely than Michigan being the best team...which is impossible. I say have the Big Ten champ play the SEC champ in this scenario.

Anyway, I've posted the system I would personally like to see implemented on these boards several times. Its not a playoff, and its not the BCS. Under this system, however, I think Florida deserves a shot, number one. I don't think Michigan deserves it, number two, and number three no undefeated team should be expected to defeat its rival twice in one year to win this national championship. Aside from that, seeing OSU and Mich lining up in the desert of Arizona for the second time in two months would be more than I could bear.

Football is not played in best of series on any level that I'm aware of. You get one chance. Michigan blew it. You could argue that Florida also blew their chance in the Auburn game, but I still believe they get the nod since it was at least against different competetion.

[HibachiDG]

And in his interview after the current system BENEFITS him...Meyer still says the same damn thing that he said before. Imperfect system, need a playoff, going to be a playoff.

[Alex]

Maybe this will teach the Big Ten that ending the season before Thanksgiving is going to hurt them in the long run. Really silly decision on their part. No bye weeks hurts a team's chances to go undefeated, as does being off the field two weeks before everyone else.

I think Michigan is a better team than Florida but the Wolverines had their chance and blew it. They don't deserve another shot.

[Richard the Lionheart]

Finishing early didn't hurt Ohio State. Win your games and you have no problem. Anyone who has to beg, and plead, and throw up a big stink probably doesn't deserve it anyway. Funny thing is, everyone's all tied up in knots over this thing, and I doubt it matters. They are arguing for the right to loose. No controversial selection to play in this game has ever actually won it that I am aware of.

[suedon1970]

IMO Carr showed LESS class by calling out Meyer than Meyer did by making the comments he did. And I completely agree with Ricky regarding this entire scenario: Michigan had their chance, couldn't beat OSU the first time, didn't win the Big Ten, so IMO they don't deserve to play in the title game. USC, looking ahead to their destined matchup with OSU:rolleyes:, lost to a clearly inferior, unranked team.

And Ricky's right: we are all fighting for the right to lose to Ohio State in the title game. I just hope UF can keep it close....

[AmberOSU]

Finishing early didn't hurt Ohio State. Win your games and you have no problem. Anyone who has to beg, and plead, and throw up a big stink probably doesn't deserve it anyway.

I saw a great article on MSNBC that made this point. Once you lose a game, you lose any right to whine and cry about the system because you are at the mercy of it.

And I don't care if Michigan really is the 2nd best team in the country. If you don't win your conference, you shouldn't get a shot at the national title. Period.

[tobynosker]

I caught one of the many SportsCenter repeats on ESPN (and not "The Ocho" (http://www.espn8.com/), mind you) and it sounded to me like Lloyd Carr showed absolutely no-class in his phone interview with ESPN.

And, elsewhere, I think Carr even hinted himself at possibly wanting a play-off format for college football when he said "I don't think there is any question that there are flaws in the system. I hope that, in the future, we can have a system where all of the answers are decided on the field."

Michigan coach disappointed in BCS title-game snub (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/ncaa/12/04/carr.michigan.ap/index.html?section=si_latest)

[buckeyefan78]

78. this isn't about deflection. I don't think Meyer is the 1st coach to ever campaign for his team. Bob Stoops, Tom Osbourne, several others. This is college football. It happens.

My problem with this is, if this were not an SEC coach, specifically Florida, doing the campaining, then this would be a non issue with you.

That's as far as I'm going. I'm not getting into another one of these "the south sucks" debates. It's old and pointless.

Sorry you feel that way Mike but you're wrong here IMO. Carr did not campaign for the spot and made the comments directed towards Meyer ASIDE from the BCS debacle. He was upset at comments by Meyer that HE FELT showed disrespect towards Michigan. Carr has every right to defend his team against someone attacking them (as Meyer did by his antics). I am directly referencing the comments Carr made pre-selection and on his radio show.

Any comments Carr made AFTER the selection are now part of another issue. I've read everything I could find on what he said and in what time frame and stand by the order of events and what each party said and I believe meant. Carr's statements Sunday night (per toby's link) show a displeasure in how the process played out afterwards. He is pointing out flaws of the system (as he sees it) after it played out which allows that system to function as it was intended and agreed upon...by Carr and Meyer....which keeps the integrity of the selections in tact. Now that the system has played out, it is time for the participants to face their actions and reflect on what they want in the future. Think of this as an election and the issues of election reform. We do that in the "offseason" folks. The offseason began once that selection was made.

Carr never campaigned and never complained about the BCS before the selection as far as I am aware of. Meyer did endlessly...tarnishing it and in reality...anything he may gain from it in the future (like a win over OSU and this BCS trophy thing).

Please keep reading before you people explode....

I understand the line here is fine but Carr made the decision to question the system afterwards which I believe allows him to save grace. By making these comments AFTER the selection he allowed the system to play out which showed respect and dignity for all parties involved.

****By speaking up though, Carr has now taken on the responsibility in a generic fashion to "walk the walk." A man of his power and influence has now voiced displeasure with the system after the fact. If Carr does not take action in some form thru his position to make change or address this issue in the spirit of fairness...someone can hold the bus up and I'll personally throw him under. He is now accountable for the actions he took after the selection process.

A few more notes...

As with Carr, Meyer too must be held accountable in the post-BCS haze. His comments before, during, and after the process must be put under scrutiny as well.

Sue...

You're on record as saying you felt a Michigan-OSU rematch was the best idea a few weeks back. Just letting you. I'll look it up if you want.

Alex...

Big Ten tradition dictates the season ends the week before Thanksgiving. So ummm...no change. Work harder at establishing what you want to accomplish and then work harder to do it. Ohio State never complains about any of these issue and they are under Big Ten rules. They don't have the bad habit of scheduling weak competition and losing games though.

Mike...

Again...sorry if that's how you feel. Your quick response of bringing up Hart COULD have been seen as a case of deflection. Sorry if my tone was harsh there but we have to hold everyone up accordingly and I was using this thread to roast Meyer. Here's a quick thought on the Hart situation...

Hart lost to OSU. He made comments that things would be different if there was a rematch right after the game. This was sad and disappointing. It showed no class, it devalued the hard work of all parties involved, and it showed no accountability. Where it differed from Meyer and even Carr was the fact that Hart is a kid and not in a position of power. That will happen from time to time with people who are still learning and growing. This in no way excuses Hart's words or actions. In fact, it represents a great opportunity for Michigan brass (including Carr) to exercise the powers at their disposal to teach Hart (and by any means necessary if you ask me) that what he did was wrong. After that, we can only hope the system in place straightens Hart out. As far as I know, those were his only comments regarding this issue which makes me hopeful someone "taught" Hart right from wrong within the organization. I hope that clears it up.

Feel free to question or bring up other angles here. It's good to see everyone in here trying to keep me honest on this one. I encourage it. That's how it works. I hope everyone would do the same with the people we are talking about too.

I have a few more thoughts on the Tressel voting issue as well but this post was long enough. I'll post 'em later.

[Alex]

I don't think the earth will stop spinning on its axis if the Big Ten scheduled games after Thanksgiving. In a conference filled with traditions, it has to be one the silliest "traditions" to say the least.

If Ohio State was 11-1 and fighting for a spot in the title game, I doubt Tressel and the Buckeyes would sit there and say, "oh well, Big Ten scheduling tradition is more important than playing for the national title."

Maybe this is just my "outsider" opinion. After 14 seasons of Big Ten football, I think most PSU fans are still puzzled by the fact that essentially the entire season revolves around one game- Ohio State-Michigan. Or at least we begrudgingly accept it. It's important but in this case it might be to the detriment of the conference.

[buckeyefan78]

I don't think the earth will stop spinning on its axis if the Big Ten scheduled games after Thanksgiving. In a conference filled with traditions, it has to be one the silliest "traditions" to say the least.

If Ohio State was 11-1 and fighting for a spot in the title game, I doubt Tressel and the Buckeyes would sit there and say, "oh well, Big Ten scheduling tradition is more important than playing for the national title."

Maybe this is just my "outsider" opinion. After 14 seasons of Big Ten football, I think most PSU fans are still puzzled by the fact that essentially the entire season revolves around one game- Ohio State-Michigan. Or at least we begrudgingly accept it. It's important but in this case it might be to the detriment of the conference.

You compromise one tradition and then it becomes easier to compromise another. Seen it all too often.

[Alex]

You compromise one tradition and then it becomes easier to compromise another. Seen it all too often.

Forsaking progress in the name of tradition is just as bad.

Other than when rivalries are played, I've never heard of scheduling being a tradition anywhere else.

And Penn State played Michigan State after Thanksgiving in 1997 and 1998. I guess we are the rebels of the conference. :D

And with that thought, buckeye, I'm curious as to what your thoughts were with regards to PSU joining the Big Ten back in the late '80's-early '90's since you're not much for destroying the status quo.

[HibachiDG]

I guess now would not be the time to bring up the idea of West Virginia to the Big Ten and adding a Title game in Soldier Field?

[Alex]

I guess now would not be the time to bring up the idea of West Virginia to the Big Ten and adding a Title game in Soldier Field?

Probably not. But I do like the idea. Football after Thanksgiving and a rival for Penn State.:thumbup:

Unfortunately West Virginia probably doesn't have the academic prestige to gain entrance into the Big Ten. One of the few schools in Big Ten country that would fit in would be our friends over in Oakland. But with Pitt football in the toilet in the Big East, I'm thinking they won't be getting an invite any time soon. Especially since I'm thinking the Big Ten will hold onto the pipe dream of landing Notre Dame as the 12th team. Since the impossibility of that won't disrupt the "natural order" in the Big Ten. And if it does happen, it would be huge.

Division A:
Penn State
West Virginia
Wisconsin
Purdue
Northwestern
Illinois

Division B:
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Indiana
Iowa
Minnesota

Well balanced IMO. OSU-UM may not truly determine the Big Ten champion but would probably determine the division champ.

Buckeye is probably ready to have a coronary now. :lol:

[AmberOSU]

I don't know why everyone always talks about adding a team to the Big Ten as the only option so we could have 2 divisions and a championship. Forget adding a team, let's drop a team. Northwestern, see ya. You don't compete in crap, you're the red headed step child of the Big Ten. Let's go back to having a Big Ten with TEN TEAMS. Drop Northwestern.

[DETMURDS]

Probably not. But I do like the idea. Football after Thanksgiving and a rival for Penn State.:thumbup:

Unfortunately West Virginia probably doesn't have the academic prestige to gain entrance into the Big Ten. One of the few schools in Big Ten country that would fit in would be our friends over in Oakland. But with Pitt football in the toilet in the Big East, I'm thinking they won't be getting an invite any time soon. Especially since I'm thinking the Big Ten will hold onto the pipe dream of landing Notre Dame as the 12th team. Since the impossibility of that won't disrupt the "natural order" in the Big Ten. And if it does happen, it would be huge.

Division A:
Penn State
West Virginia
Wisconsin
Purdue
Northwestern
Illinois

Division B:
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Indiana
Iowa
Minnesota

Well balanced IMO. OSU-UM may not truly determine the Big Ten champion but would probably determine the division champ.

Buckeye is probably ready to have a coronary now. :lol:

And by not having that final OSU vs UM game as it is, it would kill a great tradition that nobody including tv, and the schools would ever allow.

[DETMURDS]

Probably not. But I do like the idea. Football after Thanksgiving and a rival for Penn State.:thumbup:

Unfortunately West Virginia probably doesn't have the academic prestige to gain entrance into the Big Ten. One of the few schools in Big Ten country that would fit in would be our friends over in Oakland. But with Pitt football in the toilet in the Big East, I'm thinking they won't be getting an invite any time soon. Especially since I'm thinking the Big Ten will hold onto the pipe dream of landing Notre Dame as the 12th team. Since the impossibility of that won't disrupt the "natural order" in the Big Ten. And if it does happen, it would be huge.

Division A:
Penn State
West Virginia
Wisconsin
Purdue
Northwestern
Illinois

Division B:
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Indiana
Iowa
Minnesota

Well balanced IMO. OSU-UM may not truly determine the Big Ten champion but would probably determine the division champ.

Buckeye is probably ready to have a coronary now. :lol:


The only school that is acceptable in my opinion would be to add Notre Dame, but they are afraid they won't get to play the NAVY and Boston Colleges every year.

WV doesn't really fit in the north midwest/great lakes area.

[trayhezy]

For all those who think that Michigan is a better team than Florida, what is your reasoning? If you think Michigan is better it cant be because of schedule strength. There is not enough difference in the two to say that one is definately better than the other. If you think the Big Ten is a tougher conference, there still is not enough difference to say one is definately better. It is all based on opinion. I have heard several people on TV say "if you put Michigan and Florida on the same field, Michigan would win". Mind you these are the same ones who said USC would beat UCLA and Rutgers would be Cincinnati.

This whole thing is starting to feel like the OSU team that no one gave a chance to beat the vaunted Miami Hurricanes. If you don't want to play this out on the field with a playoff then we go by pollsters opinions and our own opinions, and both are often wrong.

[themush]

This whole thing is starting to feel like the OSU team that no one gave a chance to beat the vaunted Miami Hurricanes.


Dammit Trey, I was saving the OSU/Miami game for later on in the arguement but, it is a very similar situation and game, we just have to wait and see.

[suedon1970]

Sue...

You're on record as saying you felt a Michigan-OSU rematch was the best idea a few weeks back. Just letting you. I'll look it up if you want.


True - I wrote that on November 13, before the OSU/UM game and before the SEC Championship game. That was right after the Gators' poor showing against South Carolina and I really thought they would lose to Arkansas. But after USC dropped a turd in their game w/UCLA and the Gators' inspired but sloppy effort in the SEC Championship game, I have changed my mind.

[DETMURDS]

I don't think the earth will stop spinning on its axis if the Big Ten scheduled games after Thanksgiving. In a conference filled with traditions, it has to be one the silliest "traditions" to say the least.

If Ohio State was 11-1 and fighting for a spot in the title game, I doubt Tressel and the Buckeyes would sit there and say, "oh well, Big Ten scheduling tradition is more important than playing for the national title."

Maybe this is just my "outsider" opinion. After 14 seasons of Big Ten football, I think most PSU fans are still puzzled by the fact that essentially the entire season revolves around one game- Ohio State-Michigan. Or at least we begrudgingly accept it. It's important but in this case it might be to the detriment of the conference.

I was hoping a team like Penn State could change that when they came in? It is always that OSU vs MI game because they usually finish as the best two.
I agree, I'd rather see more games played, ie; Big 10 Championship Game.

[buckeyefan78]

I don't know why everyone always talks about adding a team to the Big Ten as the only option so we could have 2 divisions and a championship. Forget adding a team, let's drop a team. Northwestern, see ya. You don't compete in crap, you're the red headed step child of the Big Ten. Let's go back to having a Big Ten with TEN TEAMS. Drop Northwestern.

Sorry...gotta do it.

This is the most ignorant and self-absorbed post I've seen in here in recent memory.

The lack of knowledge about Big Ten history, the near-sighted focus on your own school (OSU), and the emphasis on "bottom line" expressed in this flippant post is EXACTLY why college football will surely die and become NFL Junior...if it isn't there as we speak.

The other posts in here aren't much better either and some might be even worse. Well I'm tired of it. Read a book. Figure something out. I'll help upon request.

For everyone:

This new school attitude of wanting results (no matter their validity)/change just because you happen to be alive RIGHT NOW without the consideration of past events/traditions is the definition of self-righteous entitlement. Not to mention the fact you don't understand the concept of proper ownership. Those before us in this whole thing created a system more popular than any other collegiate activity sanctioned by the NCAA. It is second to only one professional sport...NFL football. How you stand on the shoulders of giants and not show the slightest amount of respect for the view is so outrageous it's pathetic. And not only do you not respect it...you spit on it. Totally mind-boggling.

Look at what has happened the last few days in here. We had mush and sue come in with an extra spring in their step. If I were to ask them to answer why in one brief sentence I'm POSITIVE the answer would be the following...

"We're happy because now we get to play for the national championship."

That's where we are at. And I know 99% of you are asking "what is wrong with that answer?"

The problem is... we've created this entity that is faceless. The opponent is of no consequence. We are so busy trying to get to the top of something that we have no idea what it really means or what the cost is to get there. The RIGHT answer would be...

"We're happy because now we get to play Ohio State and become part of their history/tradition plus we get to add to our great history/tradition."

I don't mean to single you two out either, mush and sue. Sorry. I'm goin' all out here and have no choice. You just happen to be sitting in the first two seats in class in this case.

Well, I'm tired of it and I'm gonna do something about it. I'm going to create a thread and over the next month we are all going to get to know each other considering we've been thrust together in this thing. Mush, sue, me, and other fans of the two schools are going to share their experiences, history, and tradition so we can at least have SOME idea what the hell we are getting ourselves into come January 8th.

Again, I apologize for tone of the post but I wouldn't say it if I didn't think there was some hope for you people.

BTW...You can now moan at the sight of the project I am creating as this would be about the same time they would in class.

[tobynosker]

Even though it will piss some people off, I have to say that reading buckeye's rant seemed to me to be "the definition of self-righteous entitlement."

But, I'll go read a book and figure it out for myself.

[suedon1970]

Sorry Buckeye, gotta do it.

That diatribe you wrote above was the biggest bunch of self-indulgent crap I have seen on these boards in a long time............

And coming from someone with the luxury of having their team undefeated and on the cusp of their umpteenth national championship in the history of civilization. If OSU was 1-11 would you have written that reaction to Amber's post? Probably not. Because you would be pissed that your team has been stinkin' up the joint and probably would be asking for Tressel's head on a platter, and what would be the reason?

Wanting Results RIGHT NOW

Look, I didn't create the BCS, but I sure as hell am going to play by those rules and embrace it. So, since you view the BCS Game as the annual coming-out party of the anti-Christ, then why do you recognize the victory by OSU in 2002 over Miami? Wasn't Miami #1 before the game? If they were, then you are contradicting you so-called "moral" principles when it comes to the BCS......

Oh, and you can set up the new thread as a charade to "get to know" UF's football history all you want. Not sure if I want to take the bait. I am 100% sure it will be one of your typical bashing sessions........


Whew! I feel SO much better..........

[buckeyefan78]

Sorry Buckeye, gotta do it.

That diatribe you wrote above was the biggest bunch of self-indulgent crap I have seen on these boards in a long time............

And coming from someone with the luxury of having their team undefeated and on the cusp of their umpteenth national championship in the history of civilization. If OSU was 1-11 would you have written that reaction to Amber's post? Probably not. Because you would be pissed that your team has been stinkin' up the joint and probably would be asking for Tressel's head on a platter, and what would be the reason?

Wanting Results RIGHT NOW

Look, I didn't create the BCS, but I sure as hell am going to play by those rules and embrace it. So, since you view the BCS Game as the annual coming-out party of the anti-Christ, then why do you recognize the victory by OSU in 2002 over Miami? Wasn't Miami #1 before the game? If they were, then you are contradicting you so-called "moral" principles when it comes to the BCS......

Oh, and you can set up the new thread as a charade to "get to know" UF's football history all you want. Not sure if I want to take the bait. I am 100% sure it will be one of your typical bashing sessions........


Whew! I feel SO much better..........

I guess I had ya wrong sue. Sorry you feel that way.

[suedon1970]

I guess I had ya wrong sue. Sorry you feel that way.

Buckeye, I know we will never see eye-to-eye on any of this. However, I agree that the BCS is a big old mess and needs to be revamped. Not sure how to do it, but until that time, I will cheer my Gators on and hope they keep the game competitive. The best team on the field will win that night.

[HibachiDG]

This is the most ignorant and self-absorbed post I've seen in here in recent memory.

You know, calling it ignorant is one thing, but self-absorbed? Any time you write about tradition and college football you seem to carry with it thoughts that you have a monopoly on what traditions are best and should be upheld. The attitude of How dare anyone for disagreeing with you about what traditions and what history should be followed certainly brings with it the very things you're criticizing right now.

Reality is that you don't have a monopoly on what traditions and history should be followed in college football and just like a playoff system, the BCS, who is better than any other team, what QB should start, reasonable people tend to disagree on those matters.

It's completely fine for you to want to defend what you feel are strong and positive history and traditions, but you consistently berate others for even hinting that one of your favored traditions is not cherished in their mind. I certainly don't agree or support the idea that Northwestern should be given the boot, but if I felt like expressing my disagreement, I would do so by attacking the idea, rather than the bull**** you put forth.

You can apologize for the tone in that specific post all you want, but reality is that on this specific topic of history and traditions, damn near every post you make where someone disagrees with you on a history or tradition has this condescending attitude about it that doesn't really advance real issues.

[buckeyefan78]

Buckeye, I know we will never see eye-to-eye on any of this. However, I agree that the BCS is a big old mess and needs to be revamped. Not sure how to do it, but until that time, I will cheer my Gators on and hope they keep the game competitive. The best team on the field will win that night.

Unfortunately I believe you've either misread or misinterpreted my comments. I made no mention of several matters you addressed in your previous post which confuse me. The "1-11" comment is an especially troubling issue. I also believe you've misrepresented my expectations of Ohio State/Big Ten football. It's my hope it wasn't intentional as I believe I've portrayed my values/thoughts on what I want and expect out of Ohio State/The Big Ten numerous times on various issues. Most of these stances are in direct accordance with other Buckeye fans per our traditions/perspectives. Perhaps I haven't been clear enough on that. I will specifically address one thing you mentioned: the national title. Sue...look at it again. You know better. You know that thing is meaningless to me. The mention of this disappoints me. The mentioning of the outcome of the game between Florida and OSU disappoints me. I would like to know who I am losing to or beating before I do so. Wouldn't you? The bait issue? Totally perplexing.

I would encourage you and others to reread the posts preceding Amber's latest post and then where I went from there. I firmly stand by my comments and believe them to be forthright and accurate. It is also my opinion that if everyone involved had a better understanding of their own values/traditions then scenarios like this wouldn't occur (you basically railed against me on criteria that is foreign to me). At that point we could get to the values/traditions of others...which was my ultimate hope.

A final note on the specific issue of NW...

No one on these boards will flippantly dismiss Northwestern University's importance to the Big Ten Conference as long as Marc allows me to be a member of these boards. Perhaps one day we will get to why on that issue.

[HibachiDG]

No one on these boards will flippantly dismiss Northwestern University's importance to the Big Ten Conference as long as Marc allows me to be a member of these boards. Perhaps one day we will get to why on that issue.

You realize though that the chance to get to the why was right in front of you, but you chose to rail on someone for not adhereing to your idea of tradition instead?

[themush]

I don't mean to single you two out either, mush and sue.

Just makes me know that you care Buck. :D

Damn this thing got pretty heated huh?
As for my answer to the hypothetical question you proposed Buck: (in a typical condescending Gator fan tone) I'm happy because UF WILL win the National Championship.:P

[buckeyefan78]

Just makes me know that you care Buck. :D

Damn this thing got pretty heated huh?
As for my answer to the hypothetical question you proposed Buck: (in a typical condescending Gator fan tone) I'm happy because UF WILL win the National Championship.:P

:lol:

Helpful as always mush. :P

I see you didn't get involved. :(

:lol:

Yeah, it got heated. I held someone up to a reasonable standard and didn't bail 'em out on the issue so all hell broke loose. I pretty much expected the responses cuz sometimes there is only one way to skin a cat and I didn't put it behind closed doors for once. The idea I'm attacking someone perplexes me...if that is what sue meant cuz I'm so confused on her responses. Confused as a Buckeye taking a test on Florida football. :thumbup:

I think people here know my personality isn't one that requires "looking good" or the use of pacification. Just another issue where I ripped the kitchen sink off the wall and threw it in the ring on as far as I'm concerned. I guess people get offended that I'm an ass****. I wish they would get over that (cuz I did a long time ago) and focus on the message.

Anyway...

Really happy to just win it? I mean...you're going to the game right? Don't you want to know what the Buckeye cheers and chants mean/stand for? Or are you just gonna stare at the scoreboard for 4 quarters to see "the final result?" I understand this game will lack tradition cuz it was contrived in some lab but there will still be things to note that should add to the experience even if it is in that sterile environment.

I'll fill ya in if you want to know. Remember, it will require work though. :P

(watches mush run in other direction)

[themush]

Already booked the airfare and hotel now waiting for the game tickets to arrive. Actually I would like to know what the cheers stand for, that would make it easier to heckle the OSU fans once were are up by 3 td's.:lol:

[buckeyefan78]

Already booked the airfare and hotel now waiting for the game tickets to arrive. Actually I would like to know what the cheers stand for, that would make it easier to heckle the OSU fans once were are up by 3 td's.:lol:

I'll start the thread up sometime this week. Hopefully sue still doesn't believe I'm trying to infiltrate Gator Nation and bring you guys down somehow.

You have to tell me the things you guys do though. This is the healing process mush. :thumbup:

[themush]

Sure start it up. I would be interested in all the chants and cheers from all schools I think that would make a great thread.

[buckeyefan78]

Well...I wanted to make it exclusive to OSU-Florida to start. Kind of like "get to know your opponent" instead of "beat this guy and hold some kinda trophy." I could go into school tomorrow and ask my smartest kids (35s on the ACT, 150ish for an IQ as tested by the school, currently taking undergrad classes in addition to regular workload...so basically those who would put me to shame when I was their age) why they are doing what they are doing and witness the smartest kids in the world get the most confused looks on their faces. I didn't know thinking about what you are doing would be so offensive...but it always is.

Considering how stuck in my ways I am I thought it was an good idea and a sign of hope for me. I know my regular traditions and the traditions of my regular opponents (including the Pac Ten) but since the times are changing...I was trying to show a sign of change myself. Then the world turned against me mush.

Anyway, I think it will be fun. I think we should start with the meat and potatoes though: history of conference and school (grabs the shirt of mush as he tries to run).

[themush]

I'll get started on the SEC and UF soon.

Now enough of this getting along stuff Buck, I think OSU is stupid.:lol:

[buckeyefan78]

Well...you don't have to be a robot about it. There is soooooooooo much cool stuff about each school/conference that it really is a pleasure to experience and learn about. I'll try to include links and pics in my stories.

Maybe teachin' and loving history is part of my downfill with this stuff in here. Oh well.

[AmberOSU]

Sorry...gotta do it.

This is the most ignorant and self-absorbed post I've seen in here in recent memory.

The lack of knowledge about Big Ten history, the near-sighted focus on your own school (OSU), and the emphasis on "bottom line" expressed in this flippant post is EXACTLY why college football will surely die and become NFL Junior...if it isn't there as we speak.

The other posts in here aren't much better either and some might be even worse. Well I'm tired of it. Read a book. Figure something out. I'll help upon request.

For everyone:

This new school attitude of wanting results (no matter their validity)/change just because you happen to be alive RIGHT NOW without the consideration of past events/traditions is the definition of self-righteous entitlement. Not to mention the fact you don't understand the concept of proper ownership. Those before us in this whole thing created a system more popular than any other collegiate activity sanctioned by the NCAA. It is second to only one professional sport...NFL football. How you stand on the shoulders of giants and not show the slightest amount of respect for the view is so outrageous it's pathetic. And not only do you not respect it...you spit on it. Totally mind-boggling.

Look at what has happened the last few days in here. We had mush and sue come in with an extra spring in their step. If I were to ask them to answer why in one brief sentence I'm POSITIVE the answer would be the following...

"We're happy because now we get to play for the national championship."

That's where we are at. And I know 99% of you are asking "what is wrong with that answer?"

The problem is... we've created this entity that is faceless. The opponent is of no consequence. We are so busy trying to get to the top of something that we have no idea what it really means or what the cost is to get there. The RIGHT answer would be...

"We're happy because now we get to play Ohio State and become part of their history/tradition plus we get to add to our great history/tradition."

I don't mean to single you two out either, mush and sue. Sorry. I'm goin' all out here and have no choice. You just happen to be sitting in the first two seats in class in this case.

Well, I'm tired of it and I'm gonna do something about it. I'm going to create a thread and over the next month we are all going to get to know each other considering we've been thrust together in this thing. Mush, sue, me, and other fans of the two schools are going to share their experiences, history, and tradition so we can at least have SOME idea what the hell we are getting ourselves into come January 8th.

Again, I apologize for tone of the post but I wouldn't say it if I didn't think there was some hope for you people.

BTW...You can now moan at the sight of the project I am creating as this would be about the same time they would in class.

LOL. Sorry, I didn't even read this post. My post was completely tongue in cheek. Man, you are stressed out, the littlest things can set you off.

Here, have one of these. :cheers:

Edited to add: I thought my "red headed step child" line would give away the joking-ness of my tone. I wasn't trying to cause trouble, just bring in some light-heartedness. My apologies to mush and Sue, and everyone else, for causing you drama. I definitely wasn't intending to start a fight.

[Dublin Mike]

LOL. Sorry, I didn't even read this post. My post was completely tongue in cheek. Man, you are stressed out, the littlest things can set you off.

Here, have one of these. :cheers:

Edited to add: I thought my "red headed step child" line would give away the joking-ness of my tone. I wasn't trying to cause trouble, just bring in some light-heartedness. My apologies to mush and Sue, and everyone else, for causing you drama. I definitely wasn't intending to start a fight.

But that's the fun of it Amber. Rattle the old mans cage, get him worked up and then we all share a laugh. Just like Fast Times at Ridgemont High. (sorry 78, had to reference the Hand. ;) )

S'all in good fun. Until someone gets shot. (78, ya know I have nothing but love. :D )

[Anthony]

I don't know why everyone always talks about adding a team to the Big Ten as the only option so we could have 2 divisions and a championship. Forget adding a team, let's drop a team. Northwestern, see ya. You don't compete in crap, you're the red headed step child of the Big Ten. Let's go back to having a Big Ten with TEN TEAMS. Drop Northwestern.



Are you aware that it was once the Big 9, before Michigan State joined?

[buckeyefan78]

LOL. Sorry, I didn't even read this post. My post was completely tongue in cheek. Man, you are stressed out, the littlest things can set you off.

Here, have one of these. :cheers:

Edited to add: I thought my "red headed step child" line would give away the joking-ness of my tone. I wasn't trying to cause trouble, just bring in some light-heartedness. My apologies to mush and Sue, and everyone else, for causing you drama. I definitely wasn't intending to start a fight.

I don't believe your post was but nice save anyway.

[AmberOSU]

I don't believe your post was but nice save anyway.

Hey, I'm not trying to make you believe anything. :rolleyes: I'd feel a little silly too if I had gone on a tirade like that over a post that was meant to be light hearted. No worries, I'll tread much more lightly in the future and be sure not to make any posts that are even remotely joking when it comes to the sacred subject of Big Ten traditions.

[buckeyefan78]

Hey, I'm not trying to make you believe anything. :rolleyes: I'd feel a little silly too if I had gone on a tirade like that over a post that was meant to be light hearted. No worries, I'll tread much more lightly in the future and be sure not to make any posts that are even remotely joking when it comes to the sacred subject of Big Ten traditions.

Fair enough. I'll see ya in 3rd period tomorrow.

[AmberOSU]

Fair enough. I'll see ya in 3rd period tomorrow.

Thanks for the condescending attitude. It's extremely necessary. :thumbup:

[buckeyefan78]

You're welcome.

[Dublin Mike]

78, you really need to lay off. I've known Amber for a pretty long time, so trust me when I say this: she was joking. We all deliver punch lines and jokes in different ways. You, almost better than anyone, should know that by now.

[buckeyefan78]

In the spirit of the holidays as well as my faith in Mike, I wanna extend an olive branch to Amber and apologize.

[AmberOSU]

In the spirit of the holidays as well as my faith in Mike, I wanna extend an olive branch to Amber and apologize.

Sorry, this is the first I have been on to see this post. Apology accepted Buckeye, and I am sorry as well for the misunderstanding. No disrespect was ever intended.

Merry Christmas to all, and to all a Dublin Mike! :cool:

[vipendacsh]

i think the topic shows the whole irony of the situation, its a double negative, its contradictory of itself...obviously i can't think of the word i'm trying to spit out but you get the point. okay, class shows through when carr throws meyer under the bus....that's...not...classy
...or is it
...or is this whole arguement retarded

neither of them have, (quote unquote) "class," at this point none of us even know what class is or what class we're in or what our grade is in that class so lets leave it at this...

Florida deserves to be there becasue they will win where Michigan could not. Florida is going to come out and thrash that young buckeyes defense with whichever quarterback they choose. Then thier patented SEC defense is going to minimalize Troy Smith's effectiveness. I'll eat my words if i'm wrong...but i'm tired of hearing all you pig headed, lollipop suckin, gift wrapping, lawn mowing, starbucks drinking, mouse clicking mother Fu**ers talk your whit about how no one can hang with Ohio State. They're not a complete team and they're gonna get beat down come January 7 or 8 or whatever. Then all you shiite talkin mothers are gonna eat some christmas ornaments period. where the fu** was this going. nuff said.