In response to the replies in my thread in the politics forum

[York Hunt]

Gay Marriage? Gay unions are fine. Marriage is already defined. you'll need a separate body of law to cover homos. putting gays in with current family law is a big mistake
Stem Cell Usage? You mean the Holy Grail of medicine? Let me know when the bird flu gets here. So many crazy libs think it's the greatest thing in the world so it must be lame
Iraq War? might turn out good. better than doing nothing at this point.
Tax Cuts? depends on the circumstances. From where they are now? Yes.
Immigration? legal, controlled immigration, yes. How the f*** do you think my family got here?
Abortion? a legal abomination. However, first trimester on demand? yes. not because of any BS "reproductive rights" lib BS. I would never encourage it. It's highly offensive.
Affirmative Action? No. Noble idea but the Civil Rights Act has been completely twisted. Affirmative action is reverse racism plain and simple
Death Penalty? in theory yes, in practice no
Legalization of Drugs? no
Right to Die? Yes
US Patriot Act? yep
GW Bush? As much of a dip**** as most other presidents

[Peter North]

Why did the libs set up their own private poli forum? I'm not in favor of that. Sounds pretty scared, intolerant, gay, or something.

[Peter North]

Gay Marriage? No
Stem Cell Usage? some
Iraq War? Yes
Tax Cuts? Yes
Immigration? Legal, yes - illegal, no...shoot 'em dead
Abortion? Never
Affirmative Action? No
Death Penalty? Yes, much more of it
Legalization of Drugs? No
Right to Die? in some cases
US Patriot Act? Yes
GW Bush? No, phony conservative

[CKFresh]

"They promote the jealousy. They want everybody jealous."

That makes no sense. They want to lose more money just so people can be jealous? What do they gain from this?

"What does being compassionate entail? Supporting socialist theory? Didn't John Stossel recently do a study than revealed that conservatives are MUCH more charitable with their time and money? Check it out, I just heard about it. Most libs just like to talk about it. Not all, but most. "

Yeah I heard about that bogus study done by a Democrat turned republican. The study included donations at church (aka the collection plate) which obviously more conservatives put money into (since conservatives are more likely to be religious, specifically Christain). However, any intelligent person sees right through this because we all know that the money put into a collection plate is not always used for charity. In fact most times it is used for a new Church, or renovation, or a new BMW for the preacher. Therefore, the study is inaccurate because the statistical data has been proven erroneous. Come on man, you can do better.

"No, the system is just supposed to be fair to all. It's supposed to be neutral. How is expecting people to be responsible "pissing on the poor?""

Well because the system does more than expect people to be responsible. People like you forget to note that not everyone is afforded the same opportunity as others. In your view, if you are rich you've done something to deserve it, and if your poor it's because you lazy. You son't account for poor education in inner cities, high rate of crime in inner cities, discrimination, ect... All of which make things more difficult in terms of succeeding. The welfare system is designed to make up for these obstacles and make it easier for someone to overcome. I'm sorry if the millionair can't buy that 5th SUV, but at least the child from the "hood" who is trying to succeed in life will get a chance to go to college. That is compassion my man, no putting money in the collection plate.

"Tell me, do you support the hiring of a less qualifies minority over a better qualified white person?

If yes, then ask yourself: "Am I willing to give up my own job to a minority?"

How about your children? Do you care if they miss out because of lib bs?

No problem eh?"

Yes, I do support affirmative action. Qualifications are often determined by opportunity. It is a proven fact that African-Americans in this country are afforded less opportunity than whites do to discrimination, poverty, and other factors. Is evening the playing field that bad? Of course not. How about all the black men in the history of this country, including now, who don't get the job because the mabn hiring is a racist? But I'm sure you don't think racism exist. In your view, a black man can succeed just as easily as a white man right?

[HibachiDG]

Why did the libs set up their own private poli forum? I'm not in favor of that. Sounds pretty scared, intolerant, gay, or something.

I think Marc said he made it so that anyone can post in there, that he originally tried to make it so that you needed a number of posts to get in there (liberal or conservative, I don't think that weighed on his decision), but then changed his mind. I think he just wanted to separate the political discussion away from everything else, not disrupt viewpoints.

[Peter North]

The welfare system is designed to make up for these obstacles and make it easier for someone to overcome.

It may have been designed for that, but it doesn't matter.

The reality is that the welfare system is blatantly and comprehensively abused, and it is detrimental to the country.


There is nothing that screams RACIST more than affirmative action, Fresh.

Why is it harder, in your estimation, for a black man to succeed than an asian man?

[RavenPoe]

Asian men and black men are the same under affirmative action. Everyone but white men. Even white women qualify.

[Peter North]

What you say is not true, but anyway......

You're good with white males being the only group of folks not being eligible for "needed" assistance?

You are a blatant R A C I S T.

No way around that.


Just a very small portion of the A.A. pie, but it's telling.

A 2005 study by Princeton sociologists Thomas J. Espenshade and Chang Y. Chung compared the effects of affirmative action on racial and special groups at three highly selective private research universities. The data from the study represent admissions disadvantage and advantage in terms of SAT points (on the old 1600-point scale):

Blacks: +230
Hispanics: +185
Asians: –50
Recruited athletes: +200
Legacies (children of alumni): +160
Study (PDF)

[RavenPoe]

Regardless of how it plays out, they're equal under the AA law. That's all I was saying. Just to be clear, I'm against Affirmative Action. It was a cop out. Something needed to be done specifically for Americans whose ancestors were kidnapped and brought here to be slaves. AA was a cop out. Another instance of mollycoddling the republicans so their twisted feelings don't get hurt.

[York Hunt]

That makes no sense. They want to lose more money just so people can be jealous? What do they gain from this?

They're white guilt freaks. It makes them feel better. Their politicians pander to blacks and other minorities to get votes and they go along with it in the name of "tolerance." It's a sham. The lib politicians want the poor, no matter what color, to stay right where they are. if everybody was rich, they'd become conservatives!

Yeah I heard about that bogus study done by a Democrat turned republican. The study included donations at church (aka the collection plate) which obviously more conservatives put money into (since conservatives are more likely to be religious, specifically Christain). However, any intelligent person sees right through this because we all know that the money put into a collection plate is not always used for charity. In fact most times it is used for a new Church, or renovation, or a new BMW for the preacher. Therefore, the study is inaccurate because the statistical data has been proven erroneous. Come on man, you can do better.

You can't just throw "it's bogus" out there and back it up with the church example. check out the whole thing.

Well because the system does more than expect people to be responsible.

It's a SYSTEM. It doesn't have EXPECTATIONS.

People like you forget to note that not everyone is afforded the same opportunity as others.

People like me? What am I?

Everybody IS afforded the same opportunity. Perhaps not the same advantages but the opportunity is there.

In your view, if you are rich you've done something to deserve it, and if your poor it's because you lazy.

Not necessarily. There are trust fund babies. There are Barry Bonds' children who will grow up rich. Same with any other filthy rich persons's kids. Ozzy. George Bush. etc.

You son't account for poor education in inner cities

Poor education in the inner cities is the direct result of the breakdown of the family. I work in education. I know how it works. You can't "fix" schools. Fix the family and the schools will be fine. Everybody wants to blame the schools. Nope. Sure, a school district can have problems but when the kids aren't accountable and getting guidance at home, you could send that kid to the best school and he'd fail.


high rate of crime in inner cities

perpetrated by amoral losers.

discrimination, ect...

There's no institutionalized discrimination in this country anymore. Some guy tried to run me off the fukken road the other day WITH my kids in the car. Did I go home and cry how somebody was mean to me and then say I was too upset to go to school or work? No. I blew it off because people are assholes. I guess getting almost run off the road by a white guy is my white privilege. I guess if I was black I would have actually been run off th road eh?


All of which make things more difficult in terms of succeeding.

All the reason to try harder so when you die you can know you put your children in a better position than the one you were in.

All it takes is a man with some balls to kick life's ass instead of the other way around.

The welfare system is designed to make up for these obstacles and make it easier for someone to overcome.

No, it's not. It was designed for widows who had lost their husbands to war.

Now it's a way of life for MANY, MANY losers. They get their welfare but it's not counted as income. So, let's say poverty is 13k a year and some loser is making 12k a year but collecting 8k a year in welfare PLUS making a few grand from dealing crack or whatever they hell those freaks smoke these days.

We're talking about 20k but in the official stats the person is still under the poverty line. Why? So the problem can be played up for political reasons EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING RIGHT NOW.

Nobody that isn't a drug addict or mentally ill and off their meds is starving in this country, NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON, unless, of course, they are the stupidest person on earth.


I'm sorry if the millionair can't buy that 5th SUV, but at least the child from the "hood" who is trying to succeed in life will get a chance to go to college. That is compassion my man, no putting money in the collection plate.

What good is college if all this discrimination exists, man?

Yes, I do support affirmative action.

Big surprise.

Qualifications are often determined by opportunity. It is a proven fact that African-Americans in this country are afforded less opportunity than whites do to discrimination, poverty, and other factors.

Did the liberals give you those facts to keep your vote?

Is evening the playing field that bad?

Yes, because it's socialism. Our system is what you make out of it. It might not be comnpletely fair but it's better than the alternative in which you would be told what to do.

How about all the black men in the history of this country, including now, who don't get the job because the mabn hiring is a racist?

How about all the Irish? Or Italians? Or Greeks? Asians?

Many black people in this country are loathed universally around the world because they have it so good and have tons of opportunity yet they just moan and complain and whine and *****, and talk about slavery and reparations and blah blah blah.

GET A JOB AND STFU. That's what everybody else does.

Call a foreigner with dark skin black. They'll be offended. There's a reason for that.

But I'm sure you don't think racism exist.

Of course it exists. And it's free to exist. It doesn't exist institutionally and that's what matters legally. But the libs and the race hustlers get money by exploiting the issue. You're making their arguments to a T.

In your view, a black man can succeed just as easily as a white man right?

Some can, some can't.

That's the nature of the beast.

[RavenPoe]

They're white guilt freaks. It makes them feel better. Their politicians pander to blacks and other minorities to get votes and they go along with it in the name of "tolerance." It's a sham. The lib politicians want the poor, no matter what color, to stay right where they are. if everybody was rich, they'd become conservatives!


Oh yeah! Some good old Reagan spin. Why then did Roosevelt, a Democrat, single-handedly create the American middle class? Did he want them to stay poor?

You guys might get away with these pea-brained arguments at a bar full of drunk people but your speaking to intelligent people here. You might want to try to step up a level or two with the rhetoric. Lose the Dennis Miller and Bill O'Reilly material and create some of your own. I know that creativity goes against conservative logic but I'm sure you have it in ya. :)