Get The Global Warming Snow Shovel Now!

[DETMURDS]

2007-02-11) — Wal-Mart and Home Depot stores in upstate New York report brisk sales of the new Global Warming Shovel which hit store shelves just in time for this week’s 9.5-foot snowfall.

The shovels, made of a rigid form of lightweight GORE-TEX®, are specifically designed to remove the kind of snow spawned by greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, “no matter how deep it gets,” according to the manufacturer.

Later this week, the company will also roll out its new Kyoto Mittens, “guaranteed to protect the wearer from the inconvenient truth of global warming-induced frostbite.”:lol: :thumbup:

[CKFresh]

2007-02-11) — Wal-Mart and Home Depot stores in upstate New York report brisk sales of the new Global Warming Shovel which hit store shelves just in time for this week’s 9.5-foot snowfall.

The shovels, made of a rigid form of lightweight GORE-TEX®, are specifically designed to remove the kind of snow spawned by greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, “no matter how deep it gets,” according to the manufacturer.

Later this week, the company will also roll out its new Kyoto Mittens, “guaranteed to protect the wearer from the inconvenient truth of global warming-induced frostbite.”:lol: :thumbup:

Pretty clever. :thumbup: While I don't think Global Warming is a laughing matter in general, this is pretty funny.

Good post DETMURDS.

[DETMURDS]

I knew it would catch your eye, ....funny thing is, I don't know if this is true or not to be honest? I had another "republican" email it to me and it originated from an unknown source.

I'm guessing it is BS?

[DETMURDS]

Here is another one for you CKFresh,...again, not sure if it is real or not? You may have read it once before?

"A United States Marine was attending some college courses between
assignments. He had completed missions in Iraq and Afghanistan. One of the
courses had a professor who was an avowed atheist and a member of the ACLU.

One day the professor shocked the class when he came in. He looked to the
ceiling and flatly stated, "God, if you are real, then I want you to knock
me off this platform. I'll give you exactly 15 minutes." The lecture room
fell silent. You could hear a pin drop. Ten minutes went by and the
professor proclaimed, "Here I am God. I'm still waiting." It got down to the
last couple of minutes when the Marine got out of his Chair, went up to the
professor, and cold-cocked him; knocking him off the platform. The professor
was out cold. The Marine went back to his seat and sat there, silently. The
other students were shocked and stunned and sat there looking on in silence.
The professor eventually came to, noticeably shaken, looked at the
Marine and asked, "What the hell is the matter with you? Why did you do
that?" The Marine calmly replied, "God was too busy today protecting
America's soldiers who are protecting your right to say stupid **** and act
like an asshole. So, He sent me." "

[IntheNet]

Here is another one for you CKFresh,...again, not sure if it is real or not? You may have read it once before?

"A United States Marine was attending some college courses between
assignments. He had completed missions in Iraq and Afghanistan. One of the
courses had a professor who was an avowed atheist and a member of the ACLU.

One day the professor shocked the class when he came in. He looked to the
ceiling and flatly stated, "God, if you are real, then I want you to knock
me off this platform. I'll give you exactly 15 minutes." The lecture room
fell silent. You could hear a pin drop. Ten minutes went by and the
professor proclaimed, "Here I am God. I'm still waiting." It got down to the
last couple of minutes when the Marine got out of his Chair, went up to the
professor, and cold-cocked him; knocking him off the platform. The professor
was out cold. The Marine went back to his seat and sat there, silently. The
other students were shocked and stunned and sat there looking on in silence.
The professor eventually came to, noticeably shaken, looked at the
Marine and asked, "What the hell is the matter with you? Why did you do
that?" The Marine calmly replied, "God was too busy today protecting
America's soldiers who are protecting your right to say stupid **** and act
like an asshole. So, He sent me." "

DETMURDS => Thanks for that... shed a tear in heartful appreciation...
:thumbup:

Semper Fi...

[CKFresh]

Here is another one for you CKFresh,...again, not sure if it is real or not? You may have read it once before?

"A United States Marine was attending some college courses between
assignments. He had completed missions in Iraq and Afghanistan. One of the
courses had a professor who was an avowed atheist and a member of the ACLU.

One day the professor shocked the class when he came in. He looked to the
ceiling and flatly stated, "God, if you are real, then I want you to knock
me off this platform. I'll give you exactly 15 minutes." The lecture room
fell silent. You could hear a pin drop. Ten minutes went by and the
professor proclaimed, "Here I am God. I'm still waiting." It got down to the
last couple of minutes when the Marine got out of his Chair, went up to the
professor, and cold-cocked him; knocking him off the platform. The professor
was out cold. The Marine went back to his seat and sat there, silently. The
other students were shocked and stunned and sat there looking on in silence.
The professor eventually came to, noticeably shaken, looked at the
Marine and asked, "What the hell is the matter with you? Why did you do
that?" The Marine calmly replied, "God was too busy today protecting
America's soldiers who are protecting your right to say stupid **** and act
like an asshole. So, He sent me." "

:lol: Not bad. The first one is better though.

I wish my friends would email me liberal leaning jokes.:(

[IntheNet]

No need to cite meterologists to argue against global warming....

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/8746/snowpy9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

...I can just cite dogs in upstate New York to dispute global warming!

[Anthony]

Unfortunately this thread gets a most emphatic "F" in Climatology 101.

The colder the air is, the drier it is on aggregate - which is why the heaviest snowstorms almost invariably occur when the temperature is just barely below freezing. If the earth were cooler, the temperatures would have been colder in these parts, hence any snow they would have received from these storm systems would have been lighter.

Another example of "paradoxical cooling" caused by the present round of climate change is the disruption of the warm ocean currents that run diagonally poleward from west to east (the Japan Current in the Pacific and the Gulf Stream in the Atlantic) that is bringing colder-than-normal temperatures to places like England and the Pacific Northwest.

Perform this simple experiment: Pour water from your faucet into a glass. Then place one or more ice cubes in the glass. Yes, in the fullness of time the ice cube will melt - but as it does, the temperature of the water inside the glass will be lowered.

This is essentially what is happening as the polar ice sheets break off - it is making the adjacent waters colder, thus cancelling out the moderating effect of the aforementioned ocean currents that keep western Europe, British Columbia etc. milder in winter than interior or east-coast locales at the same latitude.

Debating what to do about this situation is all well and good - but next time people wouldn't look so foolish if they got their facts straight first.

[CKFresh]

I love you anthony

[IntheNet]

This is essentially what is happening as the polar ice sheets break off...

The reason the polar ice sheet is breaking off is that the glacier is expanding... something the 'global warming' zealots fail to mention...

[CKFresh]

IntheNet,
Do everyone a favor, stop posting on these topics. We will all be a lot smarter if we don't have to spend time sorting through the garbage you post.

Do you think Global Warming is part of a communist plan to hurt the US economy and wreck our way of life, taking away essential freedoms and holding us captive to the environmentalist wackos?

I sure do. It's just like the war on Christmas. These liberal leftist are attacking everything we hold dear. We need to stop this now. No more San Francisco values dominating American culture. No more communist plots. We must rise up as a Christian nation and stop these terroist lovin', tree-huggin', freedom hatin' leftists from ruining this great nation! Are you with me?

[catman]

One problem, Anthony. The average temperatures in the Midwest have been 15-20 degrees below normal for over a month. This followed above normal temperatures for over a month. Sounds like it is just more of the climatological cycles to me, as opposed to being proof of anything else.
As you said, most heavy snows occur when the temperature is around 25, but snow can fall from very cold air as well.

[DETMURDS]

One problem, Anthony. The average temperatures in the Midwest have been 15-20 degrees below normal for over a month. This followed above normal temperatures for over a month. Sounds like it is just more of the climatological cycles to me, as opposed to being proof of anything else.
As you said, most heavy snows occur when the temperature is around 25, but snow can fall from very cold air as well.

Sounds exactly like what I was thinking.

Many of the same people that are crying global warming are those people that are burning down new houses under construction,...and that is about the only proof of global warming today if one asks me.

I respect people if they are truly afraid of global warming, ..........but those who are "crying it" for the left-wing-no-progress-movement should be jailed for terrorism.

What a gimmick! Don't be fooled!

[CKFresh]

The average temperatures in the Midwest have been 15-20 degrees below normal for over a month.

catman, the theory that I support doesn't suggest that every month is going to be warmer than the past, or that we will never have cool periods. It is a general pattern. On average, the temperature of this earth is increasing steadily. You have to look at things on a global scale. The fact that the midwest is cooler than normal doesn't mean that the themperature of the earth isn't increasing. Do you see my point?

[catman]

Yes, but it does nothing to prove the theory of global warming, either.
Global warming is just that -- a theory. It has not been proven that it will continue. The cyclical nature of our climate allows up and down temperatures for periods of years. The cycle has been shown to be about 30 years and we are nearing the end of this cycle. If the temperatures are still rising in 10 years, I might be persuaded to believe that this is a "man-made" phenomena.
I am pointing out that both sides of this debate are using data that is too "localized". Temperatures constantly fluctuate world-wide with some areas being warm and some being cold. India, for example, has many glaciers in their mountains that have been unaffected by the warming trend. Are they cooler than normal?
Fresh, the jury is still out as far as global warming goes. As I have said, we must be better stewards of our environment. We must do what we can to ensure our species' survival. The Earth will be just fine with or without us.

[CKFresh]

I agree catman. I don't think global warming and our affects on it are proven by any means. I simply have formed my opinion that the common belief held by scientists is the correct one. Trust me, I question it all the time, (I'm not IntheNet, I really am somewhat objective).

I appreciate your objective approach to this subject.

[DETMURDS]

I agree catman. I don't think global warming and our affects on it are proven by any means. I simply have formed my opinion that the common belief held by scientists is the correct one. Trust me, I question it all the time, (I'm not IntheNet, I really am somewhat objective).

I appreciate your objective approach to this subject.


Glad to hear you "say" that CKFresh! So, the new question is,.."is Al Gore's movie still legit in your thoughts?" Are you still in agreement with it as much as you were say last night?

As I've mentioned, 95% of my mind says that global warming isn't a "show stopper" and is a scam by the far-far-left.

We have proof of a past ice age, it wasn't caused by man,...it is just the way Mother Earth works, and I think this is just something that she is doing on a non stop basis.

Ok, you are probably scratching your head wondering about the remaining 5%? Well, a nuclear war would be a true immediate proven case of global warming,..so I guess anything is possible.

Are we having fun with this yet?:P

[CKFresh]

Glad to hear you "say" that CKFresh! So, the new question is,.."is Al Gore's movie still legit in your thoughts?" Are you still in agreement with it as much as you were say last night?

As I've mentioned, 95% of my mind says that global warming isn't a "show stopper" and is a scam by the far-far-left.

We have proof of a past ice age, it wasn't caused by man,...it is just the way Mother Earth works, and I think this is just something that she is doing on a non stop basis.

Ok, you are probably scratching your head wondering about the remaining 5%? Well, a nuclear war would be a true immediate proven case of global warming,..so I guess anything is possible.

Are we having fun with this yet?:P

Well, as far as Al Gore goes, he is basically reporting what most scientists in the field are saying. My opinion is, that the movie is probably the best analysis of the situation that we currently have. It is by no means proven, but through the limited research I have done, it appears as though we are contributing to global warming. This is my opinion mind you.

As far as this being a "scam" by the far left, I find this very hard to believe. This would have to be a WORLD WIDE conspiracy, to convince the most reputable scientists throughout the world to lie and spend their careers studying something that isn't true. And for what? What would be the motivation? No one really cares about taking away your SUV for any reason other than the environment. I mean, I can understand people complaining about the science, and maybe pointing out the earth's cycle ect.. but to think this is some type of global scam by the far left to change the way we live and take away freedoms - that just seems highly unlikely.

Are we having fun? Of course, anytime we can talk as adults and carry out an objective, rational argument without the little children (IntheNet) interupting, it is always fun.

I look forward to your response DET

[IntheNet]

Are you with me?

I think you are seriously misguided, and if the global warming zealots said that our weather woes were caused by aliens from pluto you'd be spouting that theory as gospel... Why? You're a liberal leftist... you spout whatever their talking points say...I know you can't help it...

Our weather is in cycle as is the earth... global warming is simply the latest liberal leftist claptrap that you lefties are spouting... I tolerate it simply like I tolerate rap...turn it off and ignore it...

Every floating ice floe you see on the north and south poles means the main masses are expanding, not contracting...tell the folks in upstate New York, the western plains, the eastern coast about 'global warming' crap... they'll run your liberal leftist butt out on the rail...

That's why you leftists hide out in academia...you can't handle life in the real world...

[CKFresh]

That's why you leftists hide out in academia...you can't handle life in the real world...

Exactly my point. This man is incapable of adult conversation.

Forget the fact that you have no idea what you are talking about, you need to learn some respect IntheNet.

Let me give you two tips for debating someone.

1) Always know the topic. You should be well researched before you decide to debate. Not only have you not research your opponent's views, you haven't even researched that which you claim to believe. Knwoledge of the opposing view will make you more credible and make you look as though you are objective.

2) Try being polite. Instead of spewing all the hate you have built up in your heart from years of hiding from the truth, learn how to respect opposing opinions and realize that you do not know everything. You can learn from people with whom you disagree if you can accept them as humans and listen to what they say.

You lack respect and objectivity IntheNet, which makes every statement you make worthless. Work on these tips I have provided you and you will become a much better person and you will look much better when you debate.

Best wishes my friend. You have a lot of work to do to get their, but I am sure that even you can one day become an intelligent, knowledgeable person, who respects everyone, even those you disagree with.

Good luck, and God bless.

[IntheNet]

2) Try being polite. Instead of spewing all the hate you have built up in your heart from years of hiding from the truth, learn how to respect opposing opinions....


You are an unenlightened, under-educated, ignorant FRAUD..
http://www.sports-central.org/community/boards/showthread.php?t=16347&page=7

I suggest, respectfully, CKFresh, you need some of your own medicine in regard to rhetorical procedure and protocol... you have avoided even responding to the other side of this discussion and the other aisle of belief and you refuse to accept the fact that opponents of global warming stand on firm scientific ground...

[CKFresh]

IntheNet,
You have some much hate in your heart that it is upsetting to me. I wish you could be more respectful, it would make things much more enjoyable for everyone. I have no problem if you disagree with me, but try to be a little more respectful and not insulting. It's a shame we can not have these sophistocated discussions in more of a mature manner.

I wish you the best.

Respectfully,
CKFresh

[CKFresh]

you have avoided even responding to the other side of this discussion and the other aisle of belief and you refuse to accept the fact that opponents of global warming stand on firm scientific ground...

Not true. I have said to catman and DETMURDS that I am not sold 100% either way. I feel that science is on the side of my argument, considering the majority of scientist, climatologists, and meteorologists agree with me. I have said several times "good point" to people like DETMURDS and catman.

I call you a fraud because you make statements that show you haven't researched the things you claim to believe in. If you represent some form of knowledge on the subject, I will discontinue this type of language.

Do you think proponents of GW stand on firm scientific ground? Of course not, if you did, you would believe it. So why would I think opponents stand on firm scientific ground? That's the point of an opinion, you make a decision on which argument is best and most solid.

I can see how someone would interpret the situation the way that opponents of Global Warming do, but I obviously disagree.

The problem is, I can have this discussion in a civilized manner, without insult "right-wingers." You don't see me calling out an entire group of people and criticizing the entire ideology. I might criticize you or an individual if you get out of line or show your lack of knowledge, but I will not discredit an entire ideology or view.

I would like to be on a more respectful level with you IntheNet. I apologize for disparaging remarks I have made in the past and I hope you can I can work together to be more respectful and polite when engaging in a debate.

Thanks.

[Montrovant]

IntheNet,
You have some much hate in your heart that it is upsetting to me. I wish you could be more respectful, it would make things much more enjoyable for everyone. I have no problem if you disagree with me, but try to be a little more respectful and not insulting. It's a shame we can not have these sophistocated discussions in more of a mature manner.

I wish you the best.

Respectfully,
CKFresh

You can be polite and hateful! You don't know me, so you'll have to trust me, I have plenty of hate to go around :lol: I still like to argue, at least in a forum like this, without things falling to name-calling and what equates to yelling on a message board.

Then again, maybe I just like feeling as though I'm on the moral high ground :thumbup:

[DETMURDS]

Well, as far as Al Gore goes, he is basically reporting what most scientists in the field are saying. My opinion is, that the movie is probably the best analysis of the situation that we currently have. It is by no means proven, but through the limited research I have done, it appears as though we are contributing to global warming. This is my opinion mind you.

As far as this being a "scam" by the far left, I find this very hard to believe. This would have to be a WORLD WIDE conspiracy, to convince the most reputable scientists throughout the world to lie and spend their careers studying something that isn't true. And for what? What would be the motivation? No one really cares about taking away your SUV for any reason other than the environment. I mean, I can understand people complaining about the science, and maybe pointing out the earth's cycle ect.. but to think this is some type of global scam by the far left to change the way we live and take away freedoms - that just seems highly unlikely.

Are we having fun? Of course, anytime we can talk as adults and carry out an objective, rational argument without the little children (IntheNet) interupting, it is always fun.

I look forward to your response DET

Now, Gore, he hasn't done much to help the environment anyhow, he uses a personal jet for travel, vice riding coach,...going against his very own words of how we must be responsible for our environment. Then there is Nancy Pelosi wanting to use a military 757 for her personal use because she said she wants "security"? They are doing anything they can to make everyone hate GWB. It is somewhat sickening how they act, and this didn't happen to B Clinton until he went through his impeachment which he did to himself!

World Wide? Yes,.I feel it is world wide,..Europe is infested with this movement as well! Europe is one messed up place, and that is another thread.

Greenpeace is and has been considered a terror (non-violent) group because they have sabatoged governments and businesses world wide. I witnessed this very group first hand when I was on the aircraft carrier USS Constellation back between 1984-88. Some dirty people.

Motivation? The motivation of a group like this is that they hate growth and progress, and by "crying wolf", they get the desired sympathy they desire. They will do anything at the price of anyone including you and I.

Not saying all the blame is on Greenpeace, because there is a lot of these groups that have the same goal.

[CKFresh]

Then there is Nancy Pelosi wanting to use a military 757 for her personal use because she said she wants "security"

This was a false story put out by the conservative media (talk radio). It has been debunked. She never requested this plan. Someone suggested that she might need a bigger plan, and the snow ball started rolling. Of course Limbaugh and Hannity never came out and admitted the mistake, they just stopped talking about it. Just thought you should know the truth.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/07/51817.aspx

[CKFresh]

http://www.newshounds.us/2007/02/08/unsubstantiated_pelosi_plane_story_on_special_report.php

[catman]

Greenpeace is a group that I support, sometimes. I agree with their stance on whaling and overfishing in the seas. I do not agree with their terrorism when they destroy fishing boats (causing pollution in the ocean, by the way).
Earth-First is another eco-terrorist group that leaps to mind. Driving spikes into trees to dull saw-blades (frequently resulting in injuries to loggers) is not an acceptible way to protest legal practices by logging companies that do more to benefit the environment than these so-called "environmental" groups do.
Mr. Gore has been known to ride in a limosine 500 feet, as opposed to walking that distance, to make speeches about the environment and how to protect it. Damages his credibility, IMO.

[DETMURDS]

This was a false story put out by the conservative media (talk radio). It has been debunked. She never requested this plan. Someone suggested that she might need a bigger plan, and the snow ball started rolling. Of course Limbaugh and Hannity never came out and admitted the mistake, they just stopped talking about it. Just thought you should know the truth.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/07/51817.aspx


I never heard this, but to be honest, NBC is as left wing as CBS, and CNN put together, so in all respect, I think they are doing what they do best,..down-playing another wrong doing by the Dems. I have heard recent talk of "Air Pelosi" just yesterday, and it wasn't downplayed at all.

[CKFresh]

I promise you buddy, the story is false. You can look up several stories that prove this. The person who made the recommendation was a republican. It has been proven wrong and completely debunked.

[IntheNet]

This was a false story put out by the conservative media (talk radio). It has been debunked. She never requested this plan. Someone suggested that she might need a bigger plan, and the snow ball started rolling.

If what you are alleging is true, then I assume Madame Pelosi is going to use the same type of plane that Hastert used? Is she going to use a bigger jet?

Insofar as Greenpeace, I consider them the same type of eco-terrorists as all the rest... spiking logs, interferring with commerical fishing in a dangerous way, and all the other types of terrorism make them just as bad as Al Qaeda, albeit in different ways...

[CKFresh]

http://www.poe-news.com/stories.php?poeurlid=67808

FROM THE WHITE HOUSE
"This is a silly story and I think it's been unfair to the speaker," White House spokesman Tony Snow said.
http://digg.com/politics/White_House_Actually_DEFENDS_Pelosi_s_Plane_Request_Criticism

FOX NEWS
"This is a silly story and I think it's been unfair to the speaker," White House spokesman Tony Snow said at a morning briefing with reporters.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,250848,00.html

"Livingood said the request was his, and he made it for security reasons.

"The fact that Speaker Pelosi lives in California compelled me to request an aircraft that is capable of making non-stop flights for security purposes, unless such an aircraft is unavailable," Livingood, who has been at his post for 11 years, said in a written statement."
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/02/09/pelosi.plane/index.html

[CKFresh]

If what you are alleging is true, then I assume Madame Pelosi is going to use the same type of plane that Hastert used? Is she going to use a bigger jet?

She has to have a bigger jet. The white house says so, the military says so, republican congressmen say so. It would make no sense to make her use a smaller plane that has to refuel half way to California. Just ask the people you voted for.

[IntheNet]

She has to have a bigger jet...

Look up the word hypocrisy... I say this not against you but her... She's the one making the claim of deficit spending and budget busting... Most Americans are crowded into long lines getting their ******s and dicks examined with microscopes and you're telling me that stop for gas halfway completely inconveniences Madame Speaker and she needs a jumbo jet to commute to la la land every weekend?

Don't tell me... tell America! I am fully conscious of what Tony Snow, the White House, and the Defense Department said. I want to hear what the Madame says...

[DETMURDS]

Here is what it all came down to. I apoligize to you CKFresh, your info was pretty good after all. Congress is also mad at Pelosi since she is introducing back the 5 day work week!

Speaker Pelosi’s office requested the Pentagon for use of a military plane that would have the ability to make cross-country flights so that she would not have to stop and refuel. Speaker Hastert, in accordance with the new regulations, flew aboard military air on a C20 (the equivalent of a GulfStream III) back and forth to Aurora, Illinois. But a C20 cannot handle non-stop cross-country flights. At present, the DOD is offering Pelosi only what Hastert was afforded and nothing more. Pelosi has been quoted as asking for a swank C32 (the equivalent of a 757) but she indicated today that she would be willing to accept “any aircraft” that could make the coast-to-coast journey without stopping.

[CKFresh]

IntheNet,
Can you explain why you didn't respond to my peace offering?

DETMURDS,
Right on. This would be a much bigger story if it was Pelosi demanding a 757 against the will of others. But other people, including the white house, are suggesting she gets a bigger plane. This is a non-story to me. Would it be ideal if she didn't fly to San Fran at all, sure. Do I wish she would ride a bike when she had to travel, sure. But this is just realistic. Complete non-story.

[DETMURDS]

IntheNet,
Can you explain why you didn't respond to my peace offering?

DETMURDS,
Right on. This would be a much bigger story if it was Pelosi demanding a 757 against the will of others. But other people, including the white house, are suggesting she gets a bigger plane. This is a non-story to me. Would it be ideal if she didn't fly to San Fran at all, sure. Do I wish she would ride a bike when she had to travel, sure. But this is just realistic. Complete non-story.


And sorry for getting off track from the global snow shovel issue! :lol: :lol:

I got to go to work, .....at least we all are interested in politics instead of studying the life, and death of Anna Nicole Smith! I'm so sick of hearing about the greed in that situation.

[CKFresh]

at least we all are interested in politics instead of studying the life, and death of Anna Nicole Smith! I'm so sick of hearing about the greed in that situation.

Amen brother.

[IntheNet]

IntheNet,
Can you explain why you didn't respond to my peace offering?

I did. I holstered my "liberal lefty" bullets for now but will reload when and if needed...

Smile; it takes fewer muscles than a frown!

[DETMURDS]

Hey, if it isn't another sign of "Global Warming"! They have a freeze warnings in Florida at this time!

[CKFresh]

Hey, if it isn't another sign of "Global Warming"! They have a freeze warnings in Florida at this time!

Alright, you guys win. I'm sick of this cold weather, I say, PLEASE bring me some global warming. We could really use it here in Ohio, I'm sick of scraping off my car EVERY MORNING.

(just kidding :lol: )

[DETMURDS]

Alright, you guys win. I'm sick of this cold weather, I say, PLEASE bring me some global warming. We could really use it here in Ohio, I'm sick of scraping off my car EVERY MORNING.

(just kidding :lol: )

Too funny:lol: Well, here in the Seattle area, it is at a balmy 50 degrees, so maybe it is global warming here, but I know it isn't back home in the Detroit area!:lol:

Back to work,

[IntheNet]

Our area of Virginia has had a prolonged stretch of freezing weather; record setting in many respects. Though not nearly as cold as the rest of the nation, this freezing weather has frozen home water pipes all through our neighborhood. This never happened before...

I see parts of New England: northern New York, Vermont, and New Hampshire, getting more snow than ever before, and the western plains getting record-setting cold weather.

Everywhere I look I see signs of "Continental Cooling" as opposed to what the theory of "global warming" advances... In fact, I don't see any warming areas at all!

I submit that we may be on the verge of an ice age as opposed to a warm age...

[CKFresh]

Here (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/02/070215144305.htm)
Here (http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0215hotjanuary15-ON.html&sa=X&oi=news&ct=result&cd=1&usg=__tKtZ_SC9Hom2CRApNh_PQ7_2Ltc=)
Here (http://www.ecobridge.org/content/g_evd.htm#graph)

These will tell you places that are warming.

Again, it is not a localized thing. Many places will maintain cold temperatures, even break record lows.

IT IS THE GLOBAL TEMPERATURE THAT IS INCREASING! That means the average temperature of the earth, not the few places you have chosen to look at.

[catman]

How much of that warming is attributable to the nature cyclical nature of our climate, Fresh?

[IntheNet]

IT IS THE GLOBAL TEMPERATURE THAT IS INCREASING!


You keep saying that those of us against 'global warming' have not reviewed the global warming theory... I have... I have recently reviewed their studies and their proposals...

I submit that the temp increase (or decrease) cannot be pegged to human activities or differentiated from cycles of warming/cooling that the earth has exhibited hundreds of times previously. Further, since you cite locations where temp has increased, I can likewise cite locations where temp has decreased (see prior post). So what is the overall science?

A theory: global warming...

It makes little difference in any event... the things 'global warming' alarmists attribute to causing 'global warming' cannot be changed due to our culture... while a few might drive hybrid cars, most will continue to use regular internal combustion automobiles... while a few might conserve paper, most will continue to excessively use paper products... while a few might stop using airplanes, most will continue to fly...while a few might stop using coal, most will continue to demand it...

While our culture can make subtle and small change, we cannot change our habit and system of civilization nor our direct energy sources. In order to make the sort of change that might impact the human footprint on earth, you are talking about 100 years or more of human chance in a completely different direction...

Conservatives watched with interest when a genuine wind farm proposal was presented off the coast of Massachusetts. The energy idea was sound and many local residents supported the idea since the potential proposal would lower their electrical energy bill tremendously. Sadly, the idea was killed by a liberal Democrat: Kennedy!

Start there with your condemnation!

[Anthony]

But whether global warming is a hoax or not, one undeniable benefit can be derived from switching from burning fossil fuels to something else: It will reduce - and ultimately eliminate - our dependence on obtaining oil from countries that can use it to hold our entire economy hostage (as they did in the winter of 1973-74, and could do again any time they wanted to).

Then we wouldn't have to concern ourselves about what goes on in the Middle East (which would please the isolationists among us) - or if we did, we could do so without fear of retaliation (a prospect the neoconservatives would no doubt find appealing).

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But whether global warming is a hoax or not, one undeniable benefit can be derived from switching from burning fossil fuels to something else: It will reduce - and ultimately eliminate - our dependence on obtaining oil from countries that can use it to hold our entire economy hostage (as they did in the winter of 1973-74, and could do again any time they wanted to).

Then we wouldn't have to concern ourselves about what goes on in the Middle East (which would please the isolationists among us) - or if we did, we could do so without fear of retaliation (a prospect the neoconservatives would no doubt find appealing).

I agree with the first part of this post, but even without the need for oil from the Middle East we still need to keep interest in what is happening there, afterall, there is a goal over there to kill us all. For them, it is not an issue of oil, it is a movement masked behind religion.

A land that ignores the rest of the world, is cut off from the rest of the world.