The countdown to the End...

[lmanchur.]

Days to the "Big Game at the End of It All," the XFL's Championship Game: one month less a day (April 21)

PPPPPLLLLLLLEEEEEEEAAAAASSSSSSEEEEEE..... COME SOON!... *WHEN WILL THIS MADNESS END?*

:)

[Wedge231]

Yes. I could not agree more. At least it is finally ending.

[Marc]

Sorry to tell you guys, but I'm pretty sure the XFL will be back for at least another season. As McMahon says, if you don't like it, don't watch it, but don't complain about it.

Disclaimer: I am NOT pro-XFL, yet I am not complaining about the league nor do I hate it.

[lmanchur.]

Originally posted by M. James
Sorry to tell you guys, but I'm pretty sure the XFL will be back for at least another season. As McMahon says, if you don't like it, don't watch it, but don't complain about it.

I know -- If I don't like it, I'm not going to watch it... so I'm not!... I don't have a problem with that, but only a small minority of viewers (not even a 3.0 rating) actually LIKE the league, so I thought I would post this thread to give hope to the rest of us! ;)

Again, the XFL IS staying around for another year... at least, NBC is going to stick with it another year 'cuz they do have a two-year contract with the thing... but at least come April 21, we don't have to watch it or see or hear bout it until January/February, 2001... and by then, the Olympic Games will be on, so it will be getting very little attention (not that it is getting a lot of attention right now anyways) from the sports stations I watch...

From CBC.ca Sports Online (http://cbc.ca/cgi-bin/templates/sportsView.cgi?/news/2001/03/22/Sports/xfl010322)
Saturday night's broadcast on NBC drew a 1.6 rating, believed to be the worst prime-time night among the big three networks in Nielsen Media Research history.Ouch.

[PeterDewar]

I'd actually watch the dreaded Areana Football over the XFL.

[Wedge231]

I would watch CFL :)

[Peck]

I would rather watch NAtion Geographic Cahnnel than that!!!!!!:)

[lmanchur.]

Originally posted by Peck
I would rather watch NAtion Geographic Cahnnel than that!!!!!!:) Wow!!!... Peck, that's pretty bad!... but do you know what's even worse!?

The XFL!!!

[Marc]

Originally posted by Peck
I would rather watch NAtion Geographic Cahnnel than that!!!!!!:)
LOL @ Peck. Let's not diss *my* station here... :goof:

[Wedge231]

We get to watch the National Geographic channel in school. Our teacher tapes programs from it and we watch them like once a month. Definately not as exciting as XFL, no matter how bad it might be. But I would watch maybe the CFL over it but then I probably would just not watch TV.

[Peck]

I was just being sarcastic........XFL is only a tiny tiny bit better than National Geo........

[PeterDewar]

I would rather watch pigs giving birth then this league called the XFL.

And lay off the CFL cracks eh!? :)

[lmanchur.]

Originally posted by PeterDewar
And lay off the CFL cracks eh!? :) I don't think Wedge231 is joking, Peter!... he's stated a few times that he'd like to (or has tried... I forget) out the CFL....

[Wedge231]

Yes. I am serious. If it was available, I might watch the CFL over the XFL anytime.

[FL Tiger]

Well, this is a prime example of how to lose posters from a site. These ridiculous comments are coming from the same crowd that watched and cooed over the Oscar ceremonies, so I'll consider the source...

I've been to an actual XFL game and I would take it over any other league out there. You guys can bag on it all you want to about the poor ratings or whatever, but the fact remains that it beat both the NBA and NHL whenever they were matched up against it.

Low ratings can also be attributed to the fact that the league only has teams in eight markets (who from Detroit or Houston cares about the XFL?), and that the demographic it targets is doing other things at 8 pm on a Saturday night. But it's still football.

I just think it is ridiculous for you to be criticizing sports when this is supposed to be the "sports fans' website." I hate hockey and the NBA, but you won't see me telling the hockey fans that their sport is dullsville and lasts way too long, or the NBA fans that their sport is full of overpaid crack smoking 7-foot tall freaks of nature.

And if you say the XFL isn't a sport because of the five minutes of a game you watched six weeks ago, then you shouldn't be talking.

[Nate]

I think that the arguments about the leagues are good. We've had them in other sections before. It aids to the "discussion". I wouldn't go about bashing someone else's opinion so drastically. Comments like that from you, FL Tiger can also "lose posters" as you put it. This is a sports discussion board, we are supposed to be discussing.

And for your opinion, I do not like the XFL either ;)

[lmanchur.]

Wait a minute... wait a minute... BACK THE BUS UP!

HOCKEY games take too long to play!?... yeah, they probably do, but at least there's something HAPPENING all the time!... in NBA games, it takes them at least a half hour to play the last two minutes!!!!....

Anyway... the XFL could have as many teams as they want and I STILL wouldn't watch it. The quality of play stinks... I watched the first half of the first game and did not like it... now, I tune into XFL games every once in a while on Sunday afternoons and I always see the ball slipping out of the quarterback's hand... or the QB being saced or SOMETHING that just does not make for good football... now, if that happens every time I happen to change the channell to watch it, which are a very few, RANDOM times, I have to assume that it's not good football.

Also, I don't care to watch wrestlers talk about the XFL... that guy that has Rocks in his head did the opening intro for the XFL and that really turned me off... right from the start.... I wanted to watch FOOTBALL.... not some guy as smart as a Rock.

....also, I can almost assure you that the Saturday Night NHL ratings were much higher than that of the XFL's on Saturday Night...

...and I KEEP TELLING YOU ALL that the XFL has SUNDAY AFTERNOON GAMES... *everyone* keeps thinking that they're only on Saturday night but they aren't... why don't we ever hear about Sunday ratings, because someone said, "football should traditionally be played on Sunday afternoons" -- well, the XFL IS on Sunday afternoons...

[FL Tiger]

Look, I am not going to argue the merits of the NHL versus the XFL. I lived in St Louis for three years and never went to a Blues' game. Why? Because it costs $50 for the cheap seats, way up in the rafters. And since almost 3/4 of the teams in the league make it to the playoffs anyway, it really doesn't make since to pay that kind of money for a regular season game.

Again, I like the XFL because I have been to an actual game, four of them in fact. I have season tickets on the 50-yard line, eight rows up at the Citrus Bowl, arguably the best seats in the house. How much did they cost? Twenty-five bucks. And they give everyone a free game program on top of it.

To be honest, I haven't followed too closely what they show on TV. Each game I've been to was a lot of fun. I've gone to the game with four different friends, one of whom was a big skeptic of the league -- and ALL of them had a great time. My friend from Kansas City flew down last home game and said going to a Orlando Rage game was no different than going to a Kansas City Chiefs' game.

Okay, we agree to disagree. Keep watching your defunct hockey team in Phoenix and I'll keep watching the XFL. The difference is that I will have a team to cheer for next year.

[lmanchur.]

Well, I WAS going to agree to disagree with you, until you shafted hockey in your last scentence there...

So, I'll agree to disagree (if you want to) after these two statements:

ONE: I don't like Phoenix... where did you get that idea -- I have NO CLUE.

TWO: FYI: Only 53% (not "almost 75%") of the teams in the NHL make it to the playoffs... same with the NBA.... that's 16 teams... we can say that's half the league, because there's no way you can allow 15 teams into the playoffs for an even number... now, excuse me if I'm wrong, but don't 50% of the XFL teams make it to the XFL Playoffs!?

THREE: "The difference is that I will have a team to cheer for next year." I don't get what's that suspose to me... with me being a fan primarily of the Ottawa Senators (well, pretty much all six Canadian NHL clubs are my #1 favorite NHL teams...) and secondly the Colorado Avalanche, I would say there's a much larger chance of them still being around in the next 2-5 years than the Orlando Rage or, for that matter, the XFL...

[Wedge231]

Originally posted by FL Tiger
Keep watching your defunct hockey team in Phoenix and I'll keep watching the XFL. The difference is that I will have a team to cheer for next year.

This is one of the funniest posts I have ever read! Where did you decide Lee liked the Coyotes??? We all know he's Candian and has no reason to like a team in the Southwest United States. Also, I agree with Lee, in a couple of years, the NHL will be around and I'm not too sure about the XFL. And yes, we do have a team here but nobody I know ever watches it anymore. I put it on last weekend and just sighed and watched NCAA instead.

[FL Tiger]

Ugh, let's see...he has Winnipeg, Manitoba as his address and a Winnipeg Jets' logo. The last time I checked, Winnipeg couldn't cut it as a major-league town and the Jets folded and moved to Phoenix. Sorry I had to explain that to you.

[lmanchur.]

Exactly... I am/was WINNIPEG JETS fan... but you saying that I am a Coyotes fan is like me telling you that you are an Expos fan or Braves fan -- just teams I pull out of from the air!!!!

I am MAD and DICRASED (sp? -- I know I spelled that wrong!) at the NHL for taking my team away from them and them being moved to a place where hockey should not be played... e.g. Phoenix.

The PHOENIX COYOTES are not the WINNIPEG JETS. I WAS a WINNIPEG JETS fan... I am not A PHOENIX COYOTES fan.

[Wedge231]

Thanks for clearing that up. He does make some sense though. For example, if a team I liked moved, I think I may still like them after they play in a new city.

[lmanchur.]

Maybe... for example, if the New York Mets moved (my 2nd fav baseball team behind Toronto), I would still cheer for them... If the Minnesota Vikings or Buffalo Bills (my fav NFL teams) moved, I'd still cheer for them... but the Winnipeg Jets, a Canadian HOCKEY franchise, moving to the US of A is completely different... maybe not if it moved within Canada... but the American National Anthem was booed during the final few home games in Winnipeg... why?... America is stealing our game and I guess that was the time -- when Manitoba lost it's only pro sports franchise on the international scale -- when Manitobans really realized it... and now I'm real mad about it...

Down with the Coyotes.

[Wedge231]

The Mets are your second favorite baseball team? THat is awesome, good choice.

If one of my teams moved to Canada, I would not root for them ever again. :)

[lmanchur.]

Originally posted by Wedge231
The Mets are your second favorite baseball team? THat is awesome, good choice.

If one of my teams moved to Canada, I would not root for them ever again. :) SEE -- when your fav teams moves to a whole new, almost rival-type country... it's just not the same....

but yes, the Mets are my second fav team in baseball next to the Blue Jays... I think I started kinda liking them a few seasons ago when I watched their NLCS against the Braves (that's the series that included the 15 or so inning game!... the longest ever in baseball)... then I just started liking them, so.....

we are not on-topic of the XFL, but who cares!... baseball is much more exciting!!!!!!

[Titandude]

Yeah blame the USA for all your hockey problems.

America isn't "stealing" anything. If you can't keep up with the big dogs, then you stay on the porch. That's what's happening. It's a business. If you're so mad, give us back our baseball teams, and then go start your own hockey league.

And booing the American National Anthem...how classy...guess that shatters more of those myths about how much better Canadians are than American :rolleyes:.

And since I know Tiger pretty well, I'll say that you guys have totally missed his point. You guys came on here and instead of having an intelligent discussion about the problems of the XFL, you choose to take the easy way out and make a bunch of junvenile comments about the league. Tiger likes the XFL, and that's his right. He went to 5 XFL games, how many did any of you go to? And like he said, I bet you made your accessment of the XFL after "watching 5 minutes of Week 1." But then you get mad when Tiger turned the tables on you and busted your precious NHL. Doesn't feel too good does it?

[catman]

I saw approximately 10 minutes of the entire XFL season. I didn't like what I saw, but I'm not really a football fan. If the XFL makes it on its own merits, fine. If it doesn't make it, also fine. Let the XFL fans have their sport and continue watching, and enjoying, yours.
Tiger, I hope you can enjoy at least one more season.

[Wedge231]

Originally posted by Titandude
And since I know Tiger pretty well, I'll say that you guys have totally missed his point. You guys came on here and instead of having an intelligent discussion about the problems of the XFL, you choose to take the easy way out and make a bunch of junvenile comments about the league. Tiger likes the XFL, and that's his right. He went to 5 XFL games, how many did any of you go to? And like he said, I bet you made your accessment of the XFL after "watching 5 minutes of Week 1." But then you get mad when Tiger turned the tables on you and busted your precious NHL. Doesn't feel too good does it?

Ummm, actually we already had another thread about the XFL and how we thought we could make it better and attract more viewers. This thread was about how the XFL's season was ending and alot of people were happy it was finally over. Many people don't like the league because it does not have a high level of play, they focus on cheerleaders too much, and there's too much of a wrestling theme to it. I actually am happy someone actually likes the league. I am not such a big football fan so to me, the XFL was just another league that had a bunch of unknown players like arena football or something. I caught a couple minutes of a few games but really didn't like it. Now if they had a league similar to the XFL for baseball, I would watch it because I love baseball a lot more than football.

[mojo]

Originally posted by SC-Lee


I am MAD and DICRASED (sp? -- I know I spelled that wrong!) at the NHL for taking my team away from them and them being moved to a place where hockey should not be played... e.g. Phoenix.



Why should hockey not be played in Phoenix?

[Wedge231]

Maybe because it's alot warmer there than Winnepeg.

[mojo]

Originally posted by Wedge231
Maybe because it's alot warmer there than Winnepeg.

I could see this point if the games were played outdoors, but they are not.
This is the National Hockey League, not the Canadian and "certain very cold northern states" hockey league.

[lmanchur.]

I'm not saying it shouldn't be played in Phoneix... I'm saying that every possible effort should be made for the NHL to stay in Quebec City or Winnipeg or other Canadian cities before Pheonix or Tampa Bay or Columbus.

[Brandon]

Anybody want to tell me who won the game?

[lmanchur.]

ha ha!!... Ummmm... I think a more "appropriate" thread would be the thread titled "Might as well ask this..."

Um... yeah.... I'm sure the people over there will know :rolleyes: ....sssssssuuuuurrrrreeeeeee...... :rolleyes:

[Wedge231]

Originally posted by SC Brandon
Anybody want to tell me who won the game?

No idea. I think LA or something maybe.

[NickHammy]

Originally posted by SC-Lee
I'm not saying it shouldn't be played in Phoneix... I'm saying that every possible effort should be made for the NHL to stay in Quebec City or Winnipeg or other Canadian cities before Pheonix or Tampa Bay or Columbus.

How can you compare Columbus w/ Phoenix and Tampa Bay??????

[lmanchur.]

Originally posted by NickHammy
How can you compare Columbus w/ Phoenix and Tampa Bay?????? I was just trying to emphasize that the NHL has too many hockey teams in desert- or hot-type areas...

[Marc]

Originally posted by Titandude
Yeah blame the USA for all your hockey problems.

America isn't "stealing" anything. If you can't keep up with the big dogs, then you stay on the porch. That's what's happening. It's a business. If you're so mad, give us back our baseball teams, and then go start your own hockey league.
I refer to Titandude's post, I agree partially with it.

There's a reason hockey teams moved there: new markets, interested people, and money. Whether it has worked out or not, the reason Canada has so few hockey teams is because it's hard to make money there versus the U.S. This IS a business, do whatever you can to surive *regardless* whether it's in the desert, Canada, America, the ocean, the mountains, it doesn't matter! :redhot:

[iFroggy]

I'd be inclined to think that a team on "the ocean" would have a tough time making any money. But, maybe thats just me. ;)

[Marc]

Somehow, I knew someone would say that. :rolleyes: It was figurative speaking, it doesn't matter where a team plays. The location of a sports franchise shouldn't matter, as long as it makes money, attracts fans, etc.

[Wedge231]

That's a good idea, Patrick. All the games could be played on floating platforms in the middle of nowhere. They would have lifeguards and everything! :goof:

[lmanchur.]

Originally posted by M. James
There's a reason hockey teams moved there: new markets, interested people, and money. Whether it has worked out or not, the reason Canada has so few hockey teams is because it's hard to make money there versus the U.S. This IS a business, do whatever you can to surive *regardless* whether it's in the desert, Canada, America, the ocean, the mountains, it doesn't matter! :redhot: So what you're saying is, that if one day the Canadian Dollar was worth more than the American Dollar (which HAS happened before, BTW), and I got together a group of 23 people with A LOT of cash... let's say... each of these people are worth $1,000,000,000,000 (that's 1 trillion for those of you who can't count zero's), you would be absolutely 100% okay with me taking 23 of your NBA franchises to Canada, leaving the USA with just six of NBA teams?

Didn't think so.

[iFroggy]

Originally posted by M. James
Somehow, I knew someone would say that. :rolleyes: It was figurative speaking, it doesn't matter where a team plays. The location of a sports franchise shouldn't matter, as long as it makes money, attracts fans, etc.

:D

[Marc]

Originally posted by SC-Lee
So what you're saying is, that if one day the Canadian Dollar was worth more than the American Dollar (which HAS happened before, BTW), and I got together a group of 23 people with A LOT of cash... let's say... each of these people are worth $1,000,000,000,000 (that's 1 trillion for those of you who can't count zero's), you would be absolutely 100% okay with me taking 23 of your NBA franchises to Canada, leaving the USA with just six of NBA teams?

Didn't think so.
No. Money is important, but you also need fans - and America has a larger and broader audience.

[lmanchur.]

You still don't get my point.... so let me put it to you this way..

Say, for the sake of argument, that an American invented basketball, OK?... and that basketball grew up to be America's favorite sport, and that the country's success in that sport was a representation of that country.

Okay, now say that the USA has about 40 million people living in it, and say that Canada has about 200 million people living in it.

Gradually... slowly but surely... Canada became the monopoly country of basketball, and we had our 23 trillionaires living Canada and owning 23 NBA teams, versus the state's 6. Okay, now say that your favorite team (Bulls, Knicks, Magic... whoever YOUR favorite team is) was being threatened by the possibility of a 24th member of my group of trillionaires buying out your team and moving them across the border to Canada... THEN how would you feel???


I mean, until it happens to your hometown team or to your favorite team or whatever, you just don't understand what it is like.

[Wedge231]

Well the Giants and Dodgers moved to California which kinda hurt New York.

Lee is right. I don't like all these new hockey teams in the middle of nowhere. Who likes hockey in the Midwest anyway??

[NickHammy]

Yeah...it hurt when the Browns moved to Baltimore... **** Modell:redhot:
And I like hockey in the midwest. I can go to downtown Columbus and watch games there...i've only been to one and I had a blast!

[lmanchur.]

I'm not saying absolutely, 100% that there shouldn't be hockey in Columbus or Florida or Nashville or California... I'm just trying to make a point that there's TOO MANY of them in those places, and not enough where hockey sells out all the time whether your team wins or loses.

[Wedge231]

I just feel it's wrong. More teams should be in Canada. I miss games from like Calgary and Winnepeg.

[lmanchur.]

Originally posted by Wedge231
I just feel it's wrong. More teams should be in Canada. I miss games from like Calgary and Winnepeg. Two things, Wedge... Calgary still has an NHL team! :)

..."Winnepeg" is actually "Winnipeg"... I couldn't believe it... on Sunday, Who Wants To Be a Millionaire even spelt it wrong!!!!... they spelled it the way Wedge did it!!.... Can someone do me a favor and look up Winnipeg, Manitoba on an American-made map???... How is it spelled?????... because, I mean, they have 5 to 10 researchers working for Millionaire, and they can't even spell a major Canadian city properly!!!!

[Wedge231]

Calgary still has a team huh? Shows how much hockey I watch nowadays.

:uhoh:

Hmm, on my map it says Winnipeg. It was a simple mistake. I also spell "surprise" wrong all the time...... "suprise" :goof: