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MountaineerDave · 03-08-2003, 11:11 AM

I am SHOCKED at how much good will Atlanta's getting for this move.

I for one am completely unconvinced that this is a great move for the Falcons. Even if Price is a worthy #1 (I will need 6-8 games' worth of proof), he has no protection. The biggest problem the Dirty Birds had last year was that they had NO receivers. They weren't just lacking a viable #1, they had no receiving corps at all. And just to continue the raining on your parade vein, let's remember who their coach is, please. If there's a way to screw it up, Dan Reeves is likely to find it.

This ridiculousness about Price being the piece that the Falcons needed to get to the Super Bowl is just that. What about a desperately weak secondary?

The Falcons are two years away at best.

Dave

#47 · 03-08-2003, 11:34 AM

Bills get a first round pick for a guy who wasnt even the best player on his team at his position..............on top of that they have Reed to immediately step in at the #2 spot, this was a no brainer for the Bills, this was a great move for them. Getting a #1 pick for a position you already are in good shape at, steal.

And Diceman, the Vikes werent giving up the #7 pick in the draft to get Price...........lol, Price is not worthy of a top 15 pick even. To get anything in the first round for a WR of Prices ability is a steal.

Like Dave has already said, Price is a good WR, he is NOT a great WR, he will help Atlanta, but putting them in the SB may be a little premature, especially since the gap between them and the SB winner(a member of there division was so great). Atlanta has a ways to go yet befoe they are a threat to win the SB. As long as Tampa rightens the ship with Brad Johnson and with the Saints sure to be better also, Atlanta will have a tough enough time winning that division, much less getting to the SB.

awefullspellare · 03-08-2003, 12:33 PM

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Originally posted by Kornbix
Push them toward the playoffs??? They made it last year son!!! It'll push us to the Super Bowl!

DOH!!! should be push them toward the NFC Championship game... dont give them the Super Bowl yet!!!

Alex · 03-08-2003, 01:59 PM

Falcons aren't super bowl contenders yet i think they are good enough to compete TB and NO in the NFCS i expect them to make the play offs and get as far as they did last year

Kornbix · 03-08-2003, 03:16 PM

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Originally posted by awefullspellare

DOH!!! should be push them toward the NFC Championship game... dont give them the Super Bowl yet!!!

Well...ok...

*Anthony* · 03-09-2003, 02:32 AM

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Originally posted by #47
Bills get a first round pick for a guy who wasnt even the best player on his team at his position..............on top of that they have Reed to immediately step in at the #2 spot, this was a no brainer for the Bills, this was a great move for them. Getting a #1 pick for a position you already are in good shape at, steal.

Sorry, can't agree here. If Josh Reed is any faster than Ricky Proehl, it isn't by much. The Bills now have to go after someone like Curtis Conway - or perhaps Chicago's Dez White, who is a restricted free agent but would probably command no higher than a third-round pick as compensation based on the Bears' qualifying offer (in contrast to Laveranues Coles, who would cost at least one first-round pick and maybe even more, which would defeat the whole purpose of even doing the Price trade with Atlanta, which was to get back into the first round, where Buffalo didn't have its own pick, having traded it for Drew Bledsoe - and using the pick they got from Atlanta to draft a wide receiver would be just as futile, for the same reason; not only that, any WR who's still available at #23 is likely to represent a massive "reach" if selected that high). But if they do nothing, Eric Moulds is going to find himself attracting bigger crowds than the Rolling Stones next season.

Diceman · 03-09-2003, 02:47 AM

I'm not sure how fast Josh reed is or anything but im guessing he's not slow if he returned punts for a little bit. And if they were going to go for Coles and give up that first round pick it would be an improvment for the Bills. Coles is way better the Price.

But I don't think they'll need to go get a reciever since i think McDaniel, Moulds, and Reed provide a great 1,2,3 punch. The bills need to STFU about there offense and start on there dfense which was horrid at times last year.

RyGuy65 · 03-09-2003, 02:22 PM

I think the Bills got screwed over there. True, Price was surrounded by help, but I bet they could have gotten more for him. Like Diceman said, the Bills need to worry about their defense.

Kornbix · 03-09-2003, 06:31 PM

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Originally posted by RyGuy65
I think the Bills got screwed over there. True, Price was surrounded by help, but I bet they could have gotten more for him. Like Diceman said, the Bills need to worry about their defense.

Well hey it's good we did not waste much on him but it is a first round pick...

*Anthony* · 03-10-2003, 02:31 AM

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Originally posted by RyGuy65
I think the Bills got screwed over there. True, Price was surrounded by help, but I bet they could have gotten more for him. Like Diceman said, the Bills need to worry about their defense.

The "Buffalo has a lousy defense" myth sure dies hard. Last year the Bills were 15th out of 32 teams in total defense, and sixth against the pass. What's so lousy about that - especially when you consider that most opponents had to pull out all the stops against them offensively because Buffalo's own offense is so formidable?

MountaineerDave · 03-11-2003, 08:57 AM

The New England Patriots of 2001 had an overall defense ranked 18th out of 31 teams. And that team went on to win the Super Bowl. There's not always that much to the rank against the rest of the league bit, and this is more proof, especially when considering teams lying between second worst and second best.

The Bills rush D ranked 29th. It's difficult to suggest a defense is anything better than "vulnerable" when they give up over 130 ypg on the ground.

The Bills scoring D ranked 27th. They had a good enough offense that half the season, limiting teams to just under 25 points was good enough. The only team who won more often than they didn't when allowing 24+ points was New Orleans. Would you suggest that the Saints D was good?

And let's look at what really made Buffalo struggle all season: a league low 19 takeaways. That's right, they ranked 32 of 32 in taking the ball away. To Buffalo's offensive credit, they managed to win 8 games despite giving the ball away 12 more times than they took it.

But, please, don't feed me rankings and tell me that means anything. I've seen the Bills defense. They were not good a year ago.

Dave

#47 · 03-11-2003, 01:46 PM

No they werent Dave and Anthony the Bills do not plan on drafting a WR at #23, they plan on going DL as there first option and if they cant get the quality DL they want, then they are looking at LB's.

Diceman · 03-11-2003, 06:59 PM

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Originally posted by Anthony
The "Buffalo has a lousy defense" myth sure dies hard. Last year the Bills were 15th out of 32 teams in total defense, and sixth against the pass. What's so lousy about that - especially when you consider that most opponents had to pull out all the stops against them offensively because Buffalo's own offense is so formidable?

The rushing defense was horrible and there ability to cover back and TE's were aweful as well. The linebackers should get ****canned. They could also use one more safety.

MountaineerDave · 03-11-2003, 08:21 PM

The Bills have addressed the LB question fairly well, I think. They signed Jeff Posey (from Houston) early on and yesterday afternoon finalized the deal to grab Takeo Spikes from Cincy.

They remain in talks with Sam Adams last I heard regarding his coming to Buffalo to play next to Pat Williams, which will help immensely (pun intended) with run defense.

With a #23 pick, the Bills should be able to grab a decent DLineman or another LB, or stretch a little and grab that safety, though that seems pretty doubtful. Also, if they grade a TE as 1st round material (unlikely), that wouldn't be out of the question, having downgraded (my opinion) by cutting Riemersma and getting Campbell from Cleveland.

Dave

#47 · 03-11-2003, 08:51 PM

Well they may not need to look at LB's now, great additions or at least very good and solid additions. Definite upgrade to there LB area.

Campbell for Riemersa, probably is a step back, one Michigan guy for another, although being Jay only caught 32 passes(0 tds) last year(Campbell caught 27(3 tds) for the browns), maybe TE is less of a focus with this offense. Campbell is two years younger, little cheaper, slightly bigger, without knowing everything about Campbell, it could be he is slightly a better blocker then Jay is also.

If Buffalo continues to have this type of success in the FA market, they may open a bunch of possibilities with that #23 pick other then just a DL.

I get the Empire network here out of Buffalo, but I did not catch any talks with Donohue today.

03-08-2003, 11:11 AM	#16 (permalink)
MountaineerDave Where am I? Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 5,661	I am SHOCKED at how much good will Atlanta's getting for this move. I for one am completely unconvinced that this is a great move for the Falcons. Even if Price is a worthy #1 (I will need 6-8 games' worth of proof), he has no protection. The biggest problem the Dirty Birds had last year was that they had NO receivers. They weren't just lacking a viable #1, they had no receiving corps at all. And just to continue the raining on your parade vein, let's remember who their coach is, please. If there's a way to screw it up, Dan Reeves is likely to find it. This ridiculousness about Price being the piece that the Falcons needed to get to the Super Bowl is just that. What about a desperately weak secondary? The Falcons are two years away at best. Dave __________________ mountaineerdave on twitter mountaineerdavem on AIM

03-08-2003, 11:34 AM	#17 (permalink)
#47 Sports Virtuoso Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: upstate NY Posts: 2,017	Bills get a first round pick for a guy who wasnt even the best player on his team at his position..............on top of that they have Reed to immediately step in at the #2 spot, this was a no brainer for the Bills, this was a great move for them. Getting a #1 pick for a position you already are in good shape at, steal. And Diceman, the Vikes werent giving up the #7 pick in the draft to get Price...........lol, Price is not worthy of a top 15 pick even. To get anything in the first round for a WR of Prices ability is a steal. Like Dave has already said, Price is a good WR, he is NOT a great WR, he will help Atlanta, but putting them in the SB may be a little premature, especially since the gap between them and the SB winner(a member of there division was so great). Atlanta has a ways to go yet befoe they are a threat to win the SB. As long as Tampa rightens the ship with Brad Johnson and with the Saints sure to be better also, Atlanta will have a tough enough time winning that division, much less getting to the SB. __________________ USC Football......... 22 in a row! 2003 and '04 NC's in Football. 33-1, the last 34 gms. Heisman #6.

03-08-2003, 01:59 PM	#19 (permalink)
Alex #1 Student Section Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: State College, PA/Newtown, CT Posts: 7,158	Falcons aren't super bowl contenders yet i think they are good enough to compete TB and NO in the NFCS i expect them to make the play offs and get as far as they did last year __________________ Penn State '12

03-09-2003, 02:47 AM	#22 (permalink)
Diceman X-Ecutioner Dice Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Minnesota Posts: 792	I'm not sure how fast Josh reed is or anything but im guessing he's not slow if he returned punts for a little bit. And if they were going to go for Coles and give up that first round pick it would be an improvment for the Bills. Coles is way better the Price. But I don't think they'll need to go get a reciever since i think McDaniel, Moulds, and Reed provide a great 1,2,3 punch. The bills need to STFU about there offense and start on there dfense which was horrid at times last year. __________________ You got a knife and a dictionary and still can't cut a promo right, I'm the new big thing, your just a prototype...Wordlife You gonna hit me with a gore? i beat your ass sore, you think u just did a prison tour...Wordlife I tie strings to my acorns to make my nuts hang.... Wordlife

03-09-2003, 02:22 PM	#23 (permalink)
RyGuy65 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 65	I think the Bills got screwed over there. True, Price was surrounded by help, but I bet they could have gotten more for him. Like Diceman said, the Bills need to worry about their defense. __________________ MLB- New York Yankees NFL- New York Jets NBA- New York Knicks, Sacramento Kings NHL- Detroit Red Wings NCAA Football- Notre Dame Fighting Irish, Army

03-11-2003, 08:57 AM	#26 (permalink)
MountaineerDave Where am I? Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 5,661	The New England Patriots of 2001 had an overall defense ranked 18th out of 31 teams. And that team went on to win the Super Bowl. There's not always that much to the rank against the rest of the league bit, and this is more proof, especially when considering teams lying between second worst and second best. The Bills rush D ranked 29th. It's difficult to suggest a defense is anything better than "vulnerable" when they give up over 130 ypg on the ground. The Bills scoring D ranked 27th. They had a good enough offense that half the season, limiting teams to just under 25 points was good enough. The only team who won more often than they didn't when allowing 24+ points was New Orleans. Would you suggest that the Saints D was good? And let's look at what really made Buffalo struggle all season: a league low 19 takeaways. That's right, they ranked 32 of 32 in taking the ball away. To Buffalo's offensive credit, they managed to win 8 games despite giving the ball away 12 more times than they took it. But, please, don't feed me rankings and tell me that means anything. I've seen the Bills defense. They were not good a year ago. Dave __________________ mountaineerdave on twitter mountaineerdavem on AIM

03-11-2003, 01:46 PM	#27 (permalink)
#47 Sports Virtuoso Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: upstate NY Posts: 2,017	No they werent Dave and Anthony the Bills do not plan on drafting a WR at #23, they plan on going DL as there first option and if they cant get the quality DL they want, then they are looking at LB's. __________________ USC Football......... 22 in a row! 2003 and '04 NC's in Football. 33-1, the last 34 gms. Heisman #6.

03-11-2003, 08:21 PM	#29 (permalink)
MountaineerDave Where am I? Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 5,661	The Bills have addressed the LB question fairly well, I think. They signed Jeff Posey (from Houston) early on and yesterday afternoon finalized the deal to grab Takeo Spikes from Cincy. They remain in talks with Sam Adams last I heard regarding his coming to Buffalo to play next to Pat Williams, which will help immensely (pun intended) with run defense. With a #23 pick, the Bills should be able to grab a decent DLineman or another LB, or stretch a little and grab that safety, though that seems pretty doubtful. Also, if they grade a TE as 1st round material (unlikely), that wouldn't be out of the question, having downgraded (my opinion) by cutting Riemersma and getting Campbell from Cleveland. Dave __________________ mountaineerdave on twitter mountaineerdavem on AIM

03-11-2003, 08:51 PM	#30 (permalink)
#47 Sports Virtuoso Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: upstate NY Posts: 2,017	Well they may not need to look at LB's now, great additions or at least very good and solid additions. Definite upgrade to there LB area. Campbell for Riemersa, probably is a step back, one Michigan guy for another, although being Jay only caught 32 passes(0 tds) last year(Campbell caught 27(3 tds) for the browns), maybe TE is less of a focus with this offense. Campbell is two years younger, little cheaper, slightly bigger, without knowing everything about Campbell, it could be he is slightly a better blocker then Jay is also. If Buffalo continues to have this type of success in the FA market, they may open a bunch of possibilities with that #23 pick other then just a DL. I get the Empire network here out of Buffalo, but I did not catch any talks with Donohue today. __________________ USC Football......... 22 in a row! 2003 and '04 NC's in Football. 33-1, the last 34 gms. Heisman #6.

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