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Old 06-12-2004, 12:06 AM   #43
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I guess both of you are too young to know what the "Jordan Rules" really were. They were nothing more then a rolling zone. Liking Kobe so much you want him to be the greatest is better served in your head, not in debate.

There were more non called illegal defenses with MJ than anyone in the league. This idea that Kobe would benefit more from it leaves the major point that defenders could maul you, hook you, hold you, bang you & still not get called for it. Kobe doesn't have that problem now with the current rules. If MJ had these rules being used to being zoned all those years, his average would be staggering.

Kobe has a better perimeter game at this point of their careers cuz he plays out at the 3 point line. He doesn't routinely post up players like MJ did. MJ had an explosive 1 step with the ability to consistently ball handle thru double teams while Kobe has a quick first step but loses his dribble when doubled alot.

MJ was superior going to his left, had a superior FG%, '87/'88 NBA Defensive Player of the year, was named to the NBA All-Defensive First Team...9 times.

Don't make me even continue cuz it sounds like I'm denigrating Bryant when I actually find him to be an amazing offensive player who's above average on D. But when this thread gets too out of hand, I'm forced to state the facts. The basis of this thread was more on likes than the breakdown of stats, intangibles, or history. It was fun till the facts got skewed. Stats aren't the full story of what teams faced when up against MJ but even using those, Kobe suffers in comparison.

For chuckles, here's how Bryant matched up against the 40 year old MJ.........

Michael Jordan
Washington Wizards
Position: G
Height: 6-6 Weight: 216
College: North Carolina '84
Player file | Team stats
2002-03 Statistics
PPG 20.0
RPG 6.1
APG 3.8
SPG 1.50
BPG .48
FG% .445
FT% .821
3P% .291
MPG 37.0

Kobe Bryant
Los Angeles Lakers
Position: G
Height: 6-6 Weight: 220
High School: Lower Merion (PA)
Player file | Team stats
2003-04 Statistics
PPG 24.0
RPG 5.5
APG 5.1
SPG 1.72
BPG .43
FG% .438
FT% .852
3P% .327
MPG 37.6
And for the first 8 year comparison.......
MJ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
CAREER AVERAGES
REBOUNDS PER GAME
YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
84-85 CHI 82 82 38.3 .515 .173 .845 2.00 4.50 6.50 5.9 2.39 .84 3.55 3.50 28.2
85-86 CHI 18 7 25.1 .457 .167 .840 1.30 2.30 3.60 2.9 2.06 1.17 2.50 2.60 22.7
86-87 CHI 82 82 40.0 .482 .182 .857 2.00 3.20 5.20 4.6 2.88 1.52 3.32 2.90 37.1
87-88 CHI 82 82 40.4 .535 .132 .841 1.70 3.80 5.50 5.9 3.16 1.60 3.07 3.30 35.0
88-89 CHI 81 81 40.2 .538 .276 .850 1.80 6.20 8.00 8.0 2.89 .80 3.58 3.00 32.5
89-90 CHI 82 82 39.0 .526 .376 .848 1.70 5.10 6.90 6.3 2.77 .66 3.01 2.90 33.6
90-91 CHI 82 82 37.0 .539 .312 .851 1.40 4.60 6.00 5.5 2.72 1.01 2.46 2.80 31.5
91-92 CHI 80 80 38.8 .519 .270 .832 1.10 5.30 6.40 6.1 2.28 .94 2.50 2.50 30.1

Bryant >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
CAREER AVERAGES
REBOUNDS PER GAME
YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
96-97 LAL 71 6 15.5 .417 .375 .819 .70 1.20 1.90 1.3 .69 .32 1.58 1.40 7.6
97-98 LAL 79 1 26.0 .428 .341 .794 1.00 2.10 3.10 2.5 .94 .51 1.99 2.30 15.4
98-99 LAL 50 50 37.9 .465 .267 .839 1.10 4.20 5.30 3.8 1.44 1.00 3.14 3.10 19.9
99-00 LAL 66 62 38.2 .468 .319 .821 1.60 4.70 6.30 4.9 1.61 .94 2.76 3.30 22.5
00-01 LAL 68 68 40.9 .464 .305 .853 1.50 4.30 5.90 5.0 1.68 .63 3.24 3.30 28.5
01-02 LAL 80 80 38.3 .469 .250 .829 1.40 4.10 5.50 5.5 1.48 .44 2.79 2.90 25.2
02-03 LAL 82 82 41.5 .451 .383 .843 1.30 5.60 6.90 5.9 2.21 .82 3.51 2.70 30.0
03-04 LAL 65 64 37.6 .438 .327 .852 1.60 3.90 5.50 5.1 1.72 .43 2.63 2.70 24.0

So let's hold this thread off for about 7 more years & we'll check back. At this stage Kobe isn't beating the first 8 year comparison.......
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