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Old 08-13-2003, 10:47 PM   #1
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When you talk about talent in baseball, the first two names that pop into most peoples heads are Alex Rodriguez and Barry Bonds. And while it may be true that they are the games' most talent-rich, using them as an example is too easy. So, Bonds and AROD aside, who are the most talented players in baseball?

Now I'm not talking stats here, I'm talking talent , tools, gifts, whatever you wanna call it. Often, a player may have all the talent in the world but not show it until late in his career. Even more often, a player won't show it at all, so consider that.

When I say talent, for position players, I'm talkin' a 5-tool guy. For pitchers, great stuff and or great control.
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He doesn't have the most talent in the world, but he's a 5-tool guy who looks like he'll never get it together: Ruben Mateo.

Griffey Jr. still has all the talent in the world, but the injuries have knocked him off.

Kyle Farnsworth should be better than what he is in the Cubs bullpen.

Jeremy Giambi has more talent than a .200 hitter with no power.

Andruw Jones should be putting up better numbers than these even though they are great. He could steal 30 too if he wanted to.

Jason Marquis has the stuff and command to be an ace, but will we ever see it?

I could go on forever...
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Alfonso Soriano is very talented ... but he is a little raw and shaky on defense. But he can steal bases and hit HRs and has that rare combination of speed and power.
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Old 08-14-2003, 07:43 PM   #4
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Go on Brandon......
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Carlos Beltran.
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Carlos Beltran.
How about Raul Ibanez as well? Either of these guys could be an outfielder on my team.
Other names to think about would have to include Bernie Williams (he's old, but still a good player), Hideki Matsui (maybe), Torii Hunter and Jacque Jones, Carl Everett and Maglio Ordonez.
Seriously, I think Carlos Beltran has a lot of upside yet to achieve and the sky is the limit for him.
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Kerry Wood should be MORE dominating than this...

Why isn't Alex Escobar up performing at a consistent level in the majors yet?

Why isn't Wilson Betemit doing the same thing?

Brad Penny should be a Cy Young candidate with his stuff...

The ultimate all-talent, no skills guy is Adrian Beltre...

For all of Brian Jordan's talent, he's overrated and injury-ridden...

JD Drew still needs to put up a monster season to justify his talent...

Matt Clement still struggles occasionally, he should be lights out all the time with his stuff...

Kris Benson is a Cy Young caliber pitcher, but hasn't put it together before or after his Tommy John surgery...

Terrence Long has enough talent to be at least a 20-20 guy, not a .200 hitter...

Is Josh Hamilton ever going to make the Devil Rays roster?

And is Travis Lee ever going to hit like what he was supposed to?

Chris Carpenter is also another guy who should have a solid ERA in the 3's, but can't stay healthy or put it together...

Jack Cust can't field or run, but he can hit, so why hasn't he at a major league level yet?

Marc's right, Soriano has the talent to be a 40-40 guy, but is ever gonna be able to be disciplined enough to do it. My bet is still on no...

Rafael Furcal was supposed to do everything except hit for power, but he's done that the most this year. Where's the defense on the routine plays, the batting eye, and the SB's?

Why isn't Carlos Pena at least the .300 hitter we thought he was going to be from the get go?

And why isn't Bobby Higginson showing any offensive talent. An overrated guy, but more talented than this...

Is Bartolo Colon ever going to finish in the top 3 in Cy Young voting?

Is Carlos Lee ever going to show more of that power he has?

Why is Christian Guzman this bad?

Why can't Carlos Febles hit major league pitching for the talent he has?

Why hasn't Dee Brown claimed a starting spot in the Royals OF?

I'm focusing more on the players who have talent but refuse to use it on the baseball diamond. But you asked for it, so I came up with some more.
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Carlos Febles has been a mystery to me. He looks, at times, like he is a superstar waiting to happen, other times, he looks like he shouldn't be out there at all. He has been designated for assigment by the Royals and is available for the waiver price to any club. Who needs a 2B and is willing to take a chance on him?
Christian Guzman is just lazy at times, but has talent. He could join the "big-4" AL SS's (Tejada, ARod, Nomar, and Jeter). Guzy has been benched several times this season. I really think that he misses David Ortiz' influence in the clubhouse in Minnesota.
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Impressive Brandon, but Soriano was only 1 home run shy of 40-40 last year, so what makes you think he won'r do it this year?
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Forgot to mention Vlad. Now there's a talent.
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I know he was only one HR shy last year. But look at this year, until he makes an adjustment to the adjustment pitcher made to him, he's not hitting 40 HR's. I don't think he's disciplined enough and I don't know if he will ever be to reach that mark.
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I know he was only one HR shy last year. But look at this year, until he makes an adjustment to the adjustment pitcher made to him, he's not hitting 40 HR's. I don't think he's disciplined enough and I don't know if he will ever be to reach that mark.
I have to agree with you. Soriano has not been hitting well this year ... he started hot and has cooled off considerably. He's batting only .221 the last month with 11 RBI ... pretty dismal. He needs more plate discipline and more defensive improvement, but he can still work on his game as he is young.
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the most talent any player has that isn't using it is Jack Cust. hands down when he is in the minors he is the best hitting prospect. the guy's problem is he can't field or run a lick. he is talented unfortunatley he lacks the tools right now to be an everyday starter except at DH. Baltimore is getting back on the right track but they have a gem of a prospect but even if it means watching him struggle and be inconsistent they have a guy who can hit 45 HR, bat .300+ and drive in 100 or more runs they need to let him develop, not in Ottawa but in the major leagues. Do yourself a favor Baltimore and keep Cust in the big leagues.
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