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bama4256 07-18-2002 05:16 PM

How Does Curt Schilling Compare to 31 game Winner Denny McClain?
Detroit's Denny McClain was the last pitcher to win 30 games or more. He went 31-6 in 1968 with Detroit. His ERA was 1.98. Amazing ! Arizona's Curt Schilling is 16-3 and its only Jly 18th. Can he win 30. Let's see if he has a chance.

McClain started 41 games in 1968. He had 28 complete games. that is unheard of today because of the role the closers play in baseball today. Schilling has started 21 games so far and only has three complete games so far. He has pitched 154.1 innings. McLain ended up with 336.0 that year.

Schilling has 197 strikeouts and McClain had 280 total in 1968.

Schilling has walked only 15 batters so far and McLain had 63 for the season.

Schilling has thrown only one shutout and McLain had six.

Does Schilling stand a chance of winning 30. Maybe, but I don't think so. Maybe 27 or 28 at the most. Pitchers are totally different from the 1960's to 2000 and plus. I can't imagine McLain tossing 28 complete games, but he did. I was around when he did it. I was 12 years old. He had a teammate by the name of Mickey Lolich who could pitch very well too.

By the way Denny McLain won the Cy Young that year in 1968 and in 1969. Now he sits in Federal Prison. That;s another story.

Marc 07-18-2002 08:18 PM

Schilling should get 23-25, that's how I voted. He's probably the best pitcher in baseball right now.

The J 07-18-2002 09:24 PM

We've been over this before, Schilling can't win 30, it's impossible, he won't get enough starts. the second half is different from the first half, players lose a little, pitchers get fatigued, their curves don't break as much ( except for Barry Zito's, but that's a story for another day), they lose a bit on their fastballs, etc. Now I'm not saying Schilling will flop in the second half because he didn't last season and he's too good, but he is human. I agree with Marc, Shill will win 23-25 ( I'm betting on 25 though), strikeout at least 350, walk 30 ( at the most), and have an ERA around 3.20. He's a lock for the NL Cy Young. He doesn't need to win 30, he's proven he's the most dominant pitcher in the game.

#47 07-18-2002 11:40 PM

I doubt he will get the 30 wins..............or the two stints in prison either.

But I wouldn't mind seeing him do it.................the 30 wins that is!

catman 07-19-2002 12:59 AM

#47, I agree with you here....On both counts. I doubt if he can get 30 wins, either, as he'll only get 36 starts at best. With closers blowing 5-10% of their save opportunities, Schilling will only have an opportunity to win about 10 more games. I think he'll end up with about 25 wins, and a Cy Young Award.
My only question is this "Will he end the season with more wins than walks allowed?"

Anthony 07-19-2002 03:58 AM

Schilling is far more of an upstanding citizen!:D

Marc 07-19-2002 10:32 PM

I wonder how Schilling's partner in crime, Randy Johnson, holds up. He has been stellar, but had a quiet season. He was having back pains for a while and he is older, not to mention.

bama4256 07-19-2002 11:27 PM

Randy Johnson is 13-3-it's just that Schilling is pitching so much better that you haven't heard much about Johnson.

Richard the Lionheart 07-20-2002 12:17 AM

I am the only person who voted in the 26-29 range. Interesting. I think he's capable of that. My prediction is 27. If Im right, I give Lee the permission ot say he said it in his quote. ;)

Brandon 07-20-2002 04:16 AM

I don't think Schiling has pitched better than Johnson, its just that this is the norm for Johnson and Schilling, a great pitcher in his own right, has never had this kind of win total or support in his pitched games.

Ross 07-20-2002 02:52 PM

I said 23-25. As for 30, I really think it's safe, unless teams go back to 4-men rotations. Right now, in the 5-man format, guys would only average just over 32 starts per season, which would mean, on average a pitcher would have to go 30-2 with NO non-decisions, which is dang near impossible not to have a no decision during a year as a starter, injuries aside.

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