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buckeyefan78 01-13-2009 09:44 PM

Big Ben had a spinal cord concussion...
 
The Post-Gazette has learned that Roethlisberger actually sustained a spinal cord concussion after he was sandwiched on a hit by two Browns defenders and appeared to hit the back of his head on the Heinz Field surface -- the same type of injury that caused former quarterback Tommy Maddox to temporarily lose movement in his arms and legs in a 2002 game in Tennessee.

By Gerry Dulac, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Full story here...http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09012...d=steelers.xml


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Pretty gritty performance by Ben I suppose. Wonder why they let that out now?

Anthony 01-14-2009 05:40 AM

And Heinz Field is natural grass, is it not?

Marc 01-15-2009 05:57 PM

All I know is Big Ben always seems to be taking a pounding and is banged up. I wouldn't be surprised to see his NFL career cut short. Some guys seem to escape the injuries, and others attract them, it's a strange phenomenon.

Anthony 01-16-2009 08:55 AM

But it's not nice to cover up injuries - is it?

boston_aloha 01-18-2009 03:19 AM

Big Ben is nothing more than a game manager... same as always. He's the type of QB that can play banged up. Everyone plays a little banged up but Steelers are known as a tuff franchise so none of this surprises me.

Anthony 01-21-2009 04:19 AM

Why is Roethlisberger automatically a "game manager"?

Just because they don't have him go out there and throw 40 times for 350 yards every week?

By that same logic, Terry Bradshaw was an even bigger "game manager."

boston_aloha 01-21-2009 07:18 PM

He's been a game manager since he starting taking snaps. How many att does he average a game? 20? Game manager isn't a negative thing - but I've never seen Ben have to take over a game and win in himself?

Anthony 01-22-2009 03:52 AM

Well who was winning all those games while Willie Parker was out?

boston_aloha 01-22-2009 04:06 AM

Defense?

I think maybe you took my "game manager" reply the wrong way. Like I said, its not a bad thing - I think being a game manager is good if you are mistake free. You just do what you need to in order to keep your team in the game. Along with stellar "D" many QB's have proven you can win a SB.

Montrovant 01-22-2009 02:11 PM

Didn't Ben have a couple of huge games during the run to their last SB win? It could be my poor memory messing with me, but I recall them winning a couple of those playoff games with big passing performances.

doublee 01-22-2009 03:14 PM

The only 'huge' game he had was against Denver in the Conference Championship game. The question there would be how much of that was a result of Denver having one of the worst pass defenses in the league that year?

He had a good game against the Bengals in the Wild Card round but they only asked him to throw the ball 19 times. He was good in the Divisional game against the Colts but he only threw for 197 yards on 24 attempts.

The reason Roethlisberger gets that 'game manager' tag is because more times than not when you ask him to throw 30 times or more in a game the Steelers end up losing. He is 11-14 in the 25 games he has had to throw 30+ times in his career and he is 40-8 in games where he throws less than 30 passes a game. Of his 69 career INTs 41 have come in the games when he threw more than 30 passes. He has just 35 TDs in the games where he has thrown 30+ passes and 66 in the other games.

Roethlisberger has had 29 games where he rated out at 100.0 or better and only 2 of those have come when he threw the ball 30 or more times.

He is 4-8 with 17 TDs and 26 picks in the 12 games where he has thrown the ball 35+ times.

Ultimately, based on the numbers, a strong argument can be made for the case that Roethlisberger needs a strong running game to succeed and is not one of those quarterbacks that you roll out there and feel confident he is going to win games on his own for you.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...Be00_games.htm

Marc 01-22-2009 06:34 PM

To me, a game manager is a QB who isn't a playmaker, but does enough to win. I think Big Ben makes enough big plays with his arm that he is more than a game manager.

boston_aloha 01-23-2009 01:27 AM

Thank you Doublee for braking those games down... that was what I was driving at.

The one thing I will say that Ben has going for him that other game managers do not is his size. He really is a tuff QB to bring down, and sometimes when he does not give up the sack it allows him to extend a play and usually find that open WR.

Other than that I've never seen him win a game with his arm in just a straight up game - sitting in the pocket, and firing away.

Anthony 01-29-2009 05:49 AM

To me at least, calling a QB a "game manager" is like calling a batter in baseball a "banjo hitter."

boston_aloha 02-02-2009 12:07 AM

but if he continues to make hit when needed there is nothng wrong with that


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