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ghostofSC 10-23-2008 07:28 PM

Brady getting worse, not better
 
News coming out today that Tom Brady's knee is regressing, not improving. He's been fighting off infections and I believe there's even some discussion that the replacement ligament may not function the way it should. All of this means that he's looking at a much longer recovery time than they initially thought.

And now, the Patriots are pissed because Tom chose to use his own doctor in Cali, instead of a doctor the team wanted to appoint in New England. Is this really going to turn into a public dispute between a team and the quarterback who has helped turn around the franchise?

doublee 10-23-2008 10:49 PM

Actually there has been some speculation that they may have to redo the surgery altogether.

Marc 10-24-2008 09:49 PM

Dr. James Andrews says on ESPN that Brady is responding to the antibiotic treatment, so it may work itself out. Though with this a potentially career-ending situation, Pats fans have reason to be worried.

Tarkus 10-24-2008 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ghostofSC (Post 288961)
Is this really going to turn into a public dispute between a team and the quarterback who has helped turn around the franchise?

Probably if this continues down this slow road to recovery. I don't see the past affecting this one at all. The Pats are going to be pointing fingers even tho there's no proof things would be any different if he went to their doctor.

Nate 10-25-2008 09:18 PM

You know, is it wrong that I find this all amusing? Sure, I shouldn't wish anything against another human being, but this is Tom Brady... and, being a Colts fan, I'm no fan of Tom Brady or the Patriots. Seriously though, this is not a good situation and I hope it doesn't affect his career.

Marc 12-29-2008 02:31 PM

Brady is behind schedule and could require further surgery, risking his 2009 season: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3796019

With Cassel's success and Brady in question, this becomes a huge deal for NE since Cassel is a free agent. Do they try to keep Cassel? But then if Brady comes back, you have a guy with a huge contract on the bench. Hmmm...

catman 12-29-2008 03:02 PM

The Pats have a big decision to make here, sort of like the Jets. The nice thing for them is that both QBs are in camp already and Brady isn't an "old" QB. Cassel would be fine, but I think they want to get Brady back.
Cassel will obviously want a long-term deal based on his performance this season, and deserves one. I agree -- Hmmmm........

doublee 12-30-2008 11:49 PM

They will probably franchise Cassell and then trade him if it looks like Brady will be ready in time for training camp. The Chargers did the same thing with Brees a few years ago while they were waiting for Rivers to be ready to take over.

Anthony 01-01-2009 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by doublee (Post 292770)
They will probably franchise Cassell and then trade him if it looks like Brady will be ready in time for training camp. The Chargers did the same thing with Brees a few years ago while they were waiting for Rivers to be ready to take over.


In which case it would be interesting to see how much compensation Cassel would command in a trade.

And New England's 11-5 finish was the best for a defending Super Bowl runner-up since Tennessee went 13-3 in 2000 after losing SB 34 - yet it did not keep the Patriots from becoming the seventh SB loser of the last eight (and eighth of the last ten) to miss the playoffs the following year.

doublee 01-01-2009 10:51 PM

Well the Falcons got two #2s for Schaub. I would think the Pats could easily get that much if not getting a #1 for him straight up. Unlike when the Falcons dealt Schaub, Cassell has already proven he can be a 10-win QB so one would think he has a bit more market value than Schaub did.

The Running Man 01-04-2009 04:20 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3809444

Cassel will be franchised.. I just do not see how Cassel is a "great" quarterback. He played ok for a very good team which happens to include Randy Moss. (Daunte Culpepper anyone?) Maybe the Lions will be desperate enough to make the trade.

doublee 01-05-2009 02:25 PM

They may not even be looking to trade him in the first place. This is more of a move to guard against Brady not being ready to go than anything else. The only other options they currently have at QB right now are Matt Gutierrez and Kevin O'Connell who have exactly 7 career pass attempts and 3 years of experience between the two of them.

The Running Man 01-06-2009 12:31 AM

I just feel they should forget about Cassell and inquire about Brett Farve. Perhaps he is now realizing that he is not what he once was and may pull a Vinny Testaverde and go to the team going for a ring. Just a thought...

doublee 01-06-2009 09:29 AM

I'd take Cassel over Favre at this stage. At least with Cassel you know you are not going to lose two or three games from him trying to force throws to one of his recievers. Favre loses as many games as he wins with his arm these days.

Marc 01-06-2009 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by doublee (Post 292959)
I'd take Cassel over Favre at this stage. At least with Cassel you know you are not going to lose two or three games from him trying to force throws to one of his recievers. Favre loses as many games as he wins with his arm these days.

No contest. Cassel over Favre by a landslide.

The Running Man 01-07-2009 12:39 AM

You are missing the point. Favre would be there as the insurance policy until Brady returns. I would like to think that option would be much cheaper than franchising a decent QB who couldn't even lead his team into the playoffs. If they can't deal Cassell or wait and keep him it could hurt the rest of the team, such as signing/re-signing another player.

I just keep seeing the Steeler/Patriots game this season in which Cassel was tossed around like a rag doll against the #1 D...

Steve 01-07-2009 02:36 AM

Cassel in the second year of McDaniel's offense has the potential to be a consistent, top ten type quarterback. And to call him a QB who couldn't even lead his team into the playoffs is ridiculous, because Cassel played dynamite football down the stretch and the Pats finished 11-5! Favre, meanwhile, played horribly down the stretch and singlehandedly cost the Jets a division championship. I guarantee you, even if they were looking for a cheaper alternative, Belichick wants no part of Favre and they'd have been better off with Derek Anderson or something, anyway.

Plus, if Favre wouldn't back up Rodgers in Green Bay where he's a demigod, why would he take a paycut to whither away in New England?

doublee 01-07-2009 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by The Running Man (Post 293009)
You are missing the point. Favre would be there as the insurance policy until Brady returns. I would like to think that option would be much cheaper than franchising a decent QB who couldn't even lead his team into the playoffs. If they can't deal Cassell or wait and keep him it could hurt the rest of the team, such as signing/re-signing another player.

I just keep seeing the Steeler/Patriots game this season in which Cassel was tossed around like a rag doll against the #1 D...

You are aware Favre took home 12.7 mil from the Jets this year right? It is not as though he took a big pay cut to get out of Green Bay this past year. Do you truly believe his ego is going to let him play for significantly less in New England?

The Running Man 01-07-2009 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve (Post 293016)
Cassel in the second year of McDaniel's offense has the potential to be a consistent, top ten type quarterback. And to call him a QB who couldn't even lead his team into the playoffs is ridiculous, because Cassel played dynamite football down the stretch and the Pats finished 11-5! Favre, meanwhile, played horribly down the stretch and singlehandedly cost the Jets a division championship. I guarantee you, even if they were looking for a cheaper alternative, Belichick wants no part of Favre and they'd have been better off with Derek Anderson or something, anyway.

Plus, if Favre wouldn't back up Rodgers in Green Bay where he's a demigod, why would he take a paycut to whither away in New England?

Terrific down the stretch against teams such as the Seahawks, Raiders, Cardinals, Bills... wow. The Patriots went 1-4, against playoff teams in the regular season.

It didn't seem as if anyone wanted a part of the likes of Randy Moss or Corey Dillon and they seemed to do well. Heck, Moss's career looked as if it were over, now he holds the record for TD's in a season. Farve can still play well, but not for the whole season. That is why he'd be the perfect fit in New England to keep the QB seat very hot for Brady's return.

He would have to consider that pay cut you speak of because of the basic desire of all competitors to win it all.

doublee 01-07-2009 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Running Man (Post 293083)
Terrific down the stretch against teams such as the Seahawks, Raiders, Cardinals, Bills... wow. The Patriots went 1-4, against playoff teams in the regular season.

Yep, and Favre went 1-4 down the stretch losing to such stalwarts as Denver, San Francisco, and Seattle. Lest we not forget the loss to the Raiders as well.

Anthony 01-08-2009 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Marc (Post 292967)
No contest. Cassel over Favre by a landslide.


But what if the choice is giving up a #1 and then some for Cassel, vs. nothing for Favre if the Jets release him?

boston_aloha 01-18-2009 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Anthony (Post 293130)
But what if the choice is giving up a #1 and then some for Cassel, vs. nothing for Favre if the Jets release him?

That depends... Obviously with Cassel you are getting a young QB to run your system for years.

The Jets did the "Favre thing" this year, where you basically make a run for the SB... If you take Cassel, you know it may take a couple years to get your team in place, and set for a run. You take Favre, you are goijng for it that year. Jets went for it, and lost bigtime... They could not have been more lucky grabbing Favre and then watching Brday go down 4 minutes into the season... and somehow Miami walks away with the division (and then gets embarrassed in the playoffs)... this was just a disaster season for Favre and Jets IMO.

Anthony 01-21-2009 04:27 AM

How about Favre goes to Detroit - so they can do the same thing with Matthew Stafford that the Bengals did with Carson Palmer - the Lions go 8-8, and they don't even wait and see how the remaining 990 seasons turn out and name Jim Schwartz Coach of the Millennium right then and there?

doublee 01-21-2009 11:24 AM

Except Favre is only interested in playing for a team that has a legit shot at winning. The only way he suits up in Detroit is if they pay him like $20 million to play next year.

boston_aloha 01-21-2009 07:05 PM

Do you think any teams will consider starting their rookie QB's after seeing the success of Matt Ryan?

Anthony 01-22-2009 03:50 AM

Everyone will be singing an entirely different tune about Matt Ryan a year from now, after the huge jump in strength of schedule the Falcons are taking in '09 has kept their no-two-winning-seasons-in-a-row curse intact and they finish 7-9.

And if I were a 49ers fan I'd root my lungs off for Pittsburgh in the Super Bowl (I'll be doing so anyway even though I'm not one) - since if the Steelers do win, that puts the Cardinals on the business end of the Super Bowl Runner-Up Jinx, and if they don't win the NFC West next year, it almost has to be the 49ers who do; not only that, but with the NFC East having about a Category 2 hurricane blowing in its face next year courtesy of the schedule, and the NFC South a flat-out Category 5, the NFC West winner has a better-than-even shot at a first-round bye.

boston_aloha 01-22-2009 04:47 AM

That's totally beside the point man... I was asking if because if his success this year if teams will think about starting other rookie QB's.

But hey, regardless of next year's sched I think Matt Ryan really made a name for hiself this season.

Anthony 01-22-2009 06:23 AM

Mark Sanchez seems to be getting overlooked in all this.

It wouldn't surprise me if he ends up being more productive in the NFL than either Stafford or Bradford.

doublee 01-22-2009 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by boston_aloha (Post 293644)
Do you think any teams will consider starting their rookie QB's after seeing the success of Matt Ryan?

It depends on the circumstance and what the other options available are. Ryan ended up the starter mostly because the other options were Chris Redman and D. J. Shockley and Ryan outplayed the both of them to win the job in camp. It is not like he was simply handed the job the instant he signed his contract.

Joe Flacco basically ended up winning the job by default once Boller and Troy Smith got hurt in camp and were not healthy enough to go the last couple of weeks of preseason and into the regular season. Troy Smith was penciled in as the starter until he got sick and was out of action for a month and unable to go opening day.

A team like the Chiefs who might take a QB in the draft might sit their guy for a year and let Damon Huard or Tyler Thigpen start for another season.

doublee 01-22-2009 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Anthony (Post 293696)
Mark Sanchez seems to be getting overlooked in all this.

It wouldn't surprise me if he ends up being more productive in the NFL than either Stafford or Bradford.

That would not surprise me either. Stafford has bust written all over him but teams will fall in love with the tangibles but find out he does not have the intangibles it takes to be an elite QB. Jeff George comes to mind.

I think Bradford will be okay just because of his accuracy and his experience in big games but I don't know if he will thrive in a pro style offense.

Once Bradford made his decision Sanchez became a big winner in all of this as he now probably goes top 5 instead of mid-first round and Pete Carroll is fast gaining a reputation of producing NFL caliber QBs.

Marc 01-22-2009 06:38 PM

Favre has 0% chance of returning. I truly believe that.

I expect the Lions to draft Stafford, Chiefs to pick Sanchez. Both teams badly need QBs, gotta do this.

Montrovant 01-23-2009 12:58 AM

I seem to see people talking about the Chiefs needing a QB a lot of late, and I don't quite get it. I thought Thigpen did a decent job for them considering all the issues of the team.

boston_aloha 01-23-2009 01:16 AM

Chiefs have needed a QB for a while... I was never set on Green... I always kind of thought he stunk... IDK.....

Anthony 01-23-2009 03:52 AM

Tyler Thigpen's stats were only as "good" as they were because everybody was shoving eight and nine guys in the box to stop their running game, and making Thigpen beat them.

And even so, all Thigpen did is play well enough to get his team beat - just like Steve DeBerg did for the 49ers in 1979 and 1980 (at least according to Bill Walsh).

doublee 01-23-2009 10:18 AM

It also did not hurt that he had Tony Gonzalez and Dwayne Bowe to throw to. Thigpen is okay but he does not exactly scream franchise QB either. His numbers were decent save for the 54.8 completion percentage. He probably will not lose many games for you because of his play but he won't win any either.

Montrovant 01-23-2009 02:26 PM

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Thigpen is the next Marino or Montana :) I just mean that KC has issues in just about all areas of the team, and I don't know that drafting a QB and throwing them into the lineup on a team with so many problems is a good idea. I guess if the idea is to draft a QB to be a backup for a year or two while they solidify the rest of the team I understand.

Anthony 01-29-2009 05:47 AM

If you go into a season with Tyler Thigpen as your first option at QB, be prepared to have every one of your games scheduled for 1:00 ET on Sunday (except when you're on the road in the Mountain or Pacific time zone, when they're forced to put the game in the late time slot).


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