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IntheNet 01-06-2007 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BigBuddhaPup (Post 232003)
A WAR ON TERROR is an open ended idea with no purpose...:

Perhaps it has something to do with 3K American civilians who perished on 09.11.01; I know that date is a no no with the liberal lefty set but they are worth remembering from time to time...

Montrovant 01-07-2007 12:43 AM

I don't want to speak for BBP, but I think the idea is that there is no clear definition of victory in the 'war on terror'. At what point is the war over? What must be accomplished for us to have won; for that matter, what would have to happen for us to have lost?

It's like having a war on crime. It's not really a war at all. You fight to prevent it from happening, you work to keep people from attempting it in the first place, but you certainly don't expect to somehow wipe it out entirely.

The war on terror is just a simple, catchy phrase the media and government officials like to toss around.

Ellis 01-07-2007 12:45 AM

Another thread has turned into a war on terror debate?

IntheNet 01-07-2007 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Montrovant (Post 232072)
... I think the idea is that there is no clear definition of victory in the 'war on terror'. At what point is the war over?

If you reduce the War on Terror to its CENTRAL PURPOSE; i.e., why we went to war immediately after 09/11/01, that CENTRAL PURPOSE is to prevent further acts of terrorism. Based on that CENTRAL PURPOSE, the War on Terror has been a tremendous success; this administration has successfully prevented further acts of terrorism in the homeland...

Liberal leftists cloud the reasons for the war and take exception to the Iraq theater of operations. But they have no reply to the CENTRAL PURPOSE; as that is where this WAR HAS BEEN A SUCCESS.

The war will not be over so much as we will one day feel a need to curtail our vigilance, but that may be a decade or two off...

BigBuddhaPup 01-07-2007 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Cure (Post 232018)
Sarcasm Buddha....sarcasm. I'm with ya. :thumbup:


Sorry, Cure...my mind was in literal mode :D

BigBuddhaPup 01-07-2007 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by IntheNet (Post 232036)
Perhaps it has something to do with 3K American civilians who perished on 09.11.01; I know that date is a no no with the liberal lefty set but they are worth remembering from time to time...

Then it should be "War on Al Queda" ... lets fight the right war for the right reasons... take all of our valiant men and women out of Iraq, put them in Afghanistan where they belong...

BigBuddhaPup 01-07-2007 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by IntheNet (Post 232114)
If you reduce the War on Terror to its CENTRAL PURPOSE; i.e., why we went to war immediately after 09/11/01, that CENTRAL PURPOSE is to prevent further acts of terrorism. Based on that CENTRAL PURPOSE, the War on Terror has been a tremendous success; this administration has successfully prevented further acts of terrorism in the homeland...

Liberal leftists cloud the reasons for the war and take exception to the Iraq theater of operations. But they have no reply to the CENTRAL PURPOSE; as that is where this WAR HAS BEEN A SUCCESS.

The war will not be over so much as we will one day feel a need to curtail our vigilance, but that may be a decade or two off...

I have no issue combating terrorists... the issue is that Iraq has/had nothing to do with terrorism, or the attacks on our country...

The war has not been a success, we are losing in Iraq, we are losing in Afghanistan...

It is not the fight, it is the implementation of the fight, we are fighting the wrong people, for the wrong reasons... put our troops where they belong, Afghanistan, not in a secetarian war between Shia and Sunni...

Jaguar Rick 01-07-2007 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by IntheNet (Post 232114)
If you reduce the War on Terror to its CENTRAL PURPOSE; i.e., why we went to war immediately after 09/11/01, that CENTRAL PURPOSE is to prevent further acts of terrorism. Based on that CENTRAL PURPOSE, the War on Terror has been a tremendous success; this administration has successfully prevented further acts of terrorism in the homeland...

Liberal leftists cloud the reasons for the war and take exception to the Iraq theater of operations. But they have no reply to the CENTRAL PURPOSE; as that is where this WAR HAS BEEN A SUCCESS.

The war will not be over so much as we will one day feel a need to curtail our vigilance, but that may be a decade or two off...

IntheNet, Your posts are hillarious. You are big on the liberal leftist theme. If people with ideas other than shock and awe, or catch phrases like "War on Terror", don't eat from the same trough as you, I guess we are really out of it aren't we? Guess what? We are in the majority. You have the audacity to say others "cloud" the reasons for war. Sir, your ilk LIED about the reasons for war. Talking about clouding. NONE of the various reasons stated by the administration to start the Iraq war has been proven true. You continue to ignore this. When are you going to wake-up? What will it take for you admit you and this failed War is a folly? Are you going to hang-on until the end like the people in Jonestown, or in Nazi Germany? They were loyal to their leaders too. You and a couple of others on this board have to be the most gullible people I've read. The most hillarious part is your idea that because we invaded Iraq, we haven't had more attacks. I might agree with you if ANY of the attackers were from Iraq, and they were financed by Saddam. If we had attacked anyone other than the Al Quaeda in Afghanistan, it would have to be Saudi Arabia. I think most of the terrorists in the 9/11 attacks were from there. You need to think about your reasoning.

Richard the Lionheart 01-08-2007 01:59 AM

Good job to Oprah. Whenever someone criticizes a donation, I just have to laugh. If you think the Gulf is in a bad way, why don't you pull out YOUR checkbook?

On Iraq....:lol: ....I see we're back to our favorite discussion again. (We are all so varied in our interests--and we always have new insight...it's never the same argument over and over again! ;) Oh well...I still haven't given up hope on the Nazi thing though, Rick. I think you're counting your chickens before they hatch. We may yet win that after all. I think he's secretly still alive, and hiding out in a bunker in Iran with Jimi Hendrix and Bobby Fischer planning stuff out. Imagine Bobby Fischer planning a REAL war this time! With none other than "Blitzkrieg" Hitler, and the only man to improve upon a Dylan song (Hendrix-Watchtower) rocking out huge for their armies! Wow, I can't wait. The Jews must be stopped, I've always said. They are behind all the 9/11 conspiracies you boys masterfully dug up after all--thanks for opening my eyes to those, I was kind of tired of bah-ing all day with my fellow sheep. Anyway, I'm starting to think we should pull out of Iraq too guys. I'm convinced. I think we should just throw a huge party back home and live it up for the next thirty years until al Qaeda or the DOZENS OF OTHER TERRORIST GROUPS WHO ARE BENT ON OUR UTTER DESTRUCTION acquire a nuclear weapon, and the world ends. We need more orgies around here. We're gonna get blown the **** up anyway sooner or later, so why worry about it?

BigBuddhaPup 01-08-2007 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Ricky the Kid (Post 232189)
Good job to Oprah. Whenever someone criticizes a donation, I just have to laugh. If you think the Gulf is in a bad way, why don't you pull out YOUR checkbook?

On Iraq....:lol: ....I see we're back to our favorite discussion again. (We are all so varied in our interests--and we always have new insight...it's never the same argument over and over again! ;) Oh well...I still haven't given up hope on the Nazi thing though, Rick. I think you're counting your chickens before they hatch. We may yet win that after all. I think he's secretly still alive, and hiding out in a bunker in Iran with Jimi Hendrix and Bobby Fischer planning stuff out. Imagine Bobby Fischer planning a REAL war this time! With none other than "Blitzkrieg" Hitler, and the only man to improve upon a Dylan song (Hendrix-Watchtower) rocking out huge for their armies! Wow, I can't wait. The Jews must be stopped, I've always said. They are behind all the 9/11 conspiracies you boys masterfully dug up after all--thanks for opening my eyes to those, I was kind of tired of bah-ing all day with my fellow sheep. Anyway, I'm starting to think we should pull out of Iraq too guys. I'm convinced. I think we should just throw a huge party back home and live it up for the next thirty years until al Qaeda or the DOZENS OF OTHER TERRORIST GROUPS WHO ARE BENT ON OUR UTTER DESTRUCTION acquire a nuclear weapon, and the world ends. We need more orgies around here. We're gonna get blown the **** up anyway sooner or later, so why worry about it?


They aren't in Iraq...they are in Afghanistan... if you want to fight them over there, and not over here, lets start fighting them all ready and stop messing around with a sectarian(civil)war in Iraq... Let go get some terrorists:thumbup:

IntheNet 01-08-2007 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Ricky the Kid (Post 232189)
Good job to Oprah. Whenever someone criticizes a donation, I just have to laugh.

Can I fund a White Only school in Germany and receive your like kudos?

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Originally Posted by BigBuddhaPup
The war has not been a success

Have there been further terror attacks domestically?

Richard the Lionheart 01-08-2007 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by IntheNet (Post 232223)
Can I fund a White Only school in Germany and receive your like kudos?

You could fund a school in Germany, and certainly get my kudos. As far as I know, Oprah did not fund a "black only" school. It was just a school. If it happens that only black kids attend the school, that is because of obvious circumstances outside of any mandate she made. If you funded a school in Germany that only white kids happened to attend, I certainly wouldn't have a problem with it--as long as you didn't request that it be white only. I think that would be morally repugnant. When I said it's silly to criticize a donation, I obviously meant a donation that was aimed at bettering humanity--which a mandated white only school will obviously not do. That's why I wouldn't support a donation to Hezbollah or ESPN :D .

And anyway, BBP, you and I can disagree on the subject of terrorists in Iraq. I'm not going into this debate again as I've always said, but I think its pretty obvious al Qaeda and others saw an opportunity in the fall of Saddam--like we did--and moved in pretty presently. If we win in Iraq, that is a defeat for international terrorism, IMO, and of course the opposite is true as well. Of course I also agree with you, we need to win the fight in Afghanistan as well. But that's all I'm gonna say on this subject.

BigBuddhaPup 01-08-2007 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by IntheNet (Post 232223)
Can I fund a White Only school in Germany and receive your like kudos?



Have there been further terror attacks domestically?


If a school for whites was needed in Germany, then you should get kudos... obviously it isn't...but a school was needed for unpriviledged African girls in South Africa...


You think attacking Iraq has anything whatsoever to do with us being or not being attacked domestically? None of the 9/11, early World Trade Center, or even international attacks for that matter, had absolutely nothing to do with Iraq...nothing, nada, zip, zero... to equate the Iraq War with terrorism is wrong... We can do it better, and do it right, get out of Iraq, let them fight each other, not us, and re-deploy where it is needed, and that is Afghanistan... wanna fight against Al Queda and terrorism, then lets fight them and stop pretending Iraq has anything to do with that fight, it is a blatant lie, period...

IntheNet 01-08-2007 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BigBuddhaPup (Post 232237)
...but a school was needed for unpriviledged African girls in South Africa...

How about a school specific to underpriviledged white males in Memphis?

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Originally Posted by BigBuddhaPup (Post 232237)
You think attacking Iraq has anything whatsoever to do with us being or not being attacked domestically?

Yes I do, and it does, and I have said so often.

BigBuddhaPup 01-08-2007 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by IntheNet (Post 232240)
How about a school specific to underpriviledged white males in Memphis?



Yes I do, and it does, and I have said so often.


If a specific school needs to be set up for underpriviledged causasian males in Memphis, then fine... something tells me that it would better for all underpriviledged person in Memphis, because poverty doesn't know race or gender as much as it does in South Africa... but if you have 40 million, go for it...

Well, just because you say so, that is proof enough:lol: ... how about some logic/rationale behind "you say so"... Al Queda, the organization who planned the attack on America has no Iraqi ties... Bin Laden and Saddam were not collaborators... none of the hijackers were Iraqi... terrorist organizations didn't exist in Iraq, Saddam didn't allow any other organizations besides his Ba'athist party, he was a one man show... wanna go and get Al Queda? Try Afghanistan first... then Pakistan... then Saudi Arabia... then Sudan... then work with the rest of the world in policing for cells...

Iraq had nothing to do the attack... Iraq had nothing to do with the "War on Terror"...


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