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Old 03-07-2005, 11:24 PM   #9
Brad O.
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Thanks, buckeye and Anthony. I'm really surprised this has generated so much positive feedback. If y'all ain't careful, I'll start posting all the personal projects I figured no one would care about.
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Originally posted by buckeyefan78
This is some good stuff to ponder Brad. I see your stats about the 89-93 Bills ( which BTW, can't we include 88? ) and comparing them to the 84-89 Broncos ( I would slide 91 in there when the Broncos lost to the Bills 10-7 in the AFC Title Game, I know the 1990 Broncs were nothing to write home about). I just don't know I would say the Bills were "much better" than that Bronco team.
Good call on '88, buckeye. I'm not sure why I didn't include that. Extending Denver's "dynasty" to 1991, though, I don't think makes sense. That would add 17-15 regular season (dragging the team down to .641, by far the lowest on the list) and 1-1 postseason. I mean, I see your point, but the 1990 season was awful, and without a Super Bowl appearance in '91, I think it's fair to say the Broncos' reign ended after '89.

And while Kelly's Bills may not have been "much better" than the Reeves Broncos, I feel pretty comfortable saying they were "regular better".

* The Bills were 70-26 (.729); the Broncos were 64-30-1 (.679).
* Buffalo was 10-2 (.833) in the AFC playoffs, with five AFC Championship appearances and four AFC titles in six years (4/5/6). Denver was 6-3 (.667) in the AFC playoffs, with three AFC Championship appearances and three AFC titles in six years (3/3/6).
* Denver won all three of its AFC CGs against Cleveland, and by an average of eight points. Buffalo beat four different teams (Raiders, Broncos, Dolphins, Chiefs), by an average of 22 points.
* The Bills faced stiffer conference competition. In Buffalo's SB years, four other teams finished at least 12-4; in Denver's SB years, only one other team finished at least .750.

The last point, I think, is the most important. Buffalo won the AFC in the early 90s because it overcame the competition. Denver won the AFC in the late 80s because there was no competition.

It seems like I'm not the only one who's particularly interested in the potential dynasties of the 1980s. I ran all their records against each other, and came up with this:

Raiders, 1980-85: 7-5 (incl. 1-0 SB)
3-0 vs. Woodley/Marino Dolphins, 1-1 vs. Montana 49ers, 1-1 vs. Gibbs Washington, 0-1 vs. Ditka Bears, 2-2 vs. Reeves Broncos

Dolphins, 1981-85: 4-5 (incl. 0-2 SB)
0-3 vs. Plunkett Raiders, 1-1 vs. Montana 49ers, 1-1 vs. Gibbs Washington, 1-0 vs. Ditka Bears, 1-0 vs. Reeves Broncos

49ers, 1981-89: 11-12 (incl. 0-3 playoffs, 2-0 SB, 1-0 w/ replacement players)
1-1 vs. Plunkett Raiders, 1-1 vs. Woodley/Marino Dolphins, 3-2 vs. Gibbs Washington, 2-2 vs. Ditka Bears, 1-0 vs. Reeves Broncos, 3-3 vs. Parcells Giants, 0-1 vs. Kelly Bills

Washington, 1982-91: 13-23 (incl. 3-3 playoffs, 3-1 SB, 1-0 w/ replacement players)
1-1 vs. Plunkett Raiders, 1-1 vs. Woodley/Marino Dolphins, 2-3 vs. Montana 49ers, 2-3 vs. Ditka Bears, 1-2 vs. Reeves Broncos, 3-10 vs. Parcells Giants, 2-0 vs. Kelly Bills, 0-2 vs. Young 49ers (2-5 overall vs. Niners), 1-1 vs. Johnson Cowboys

Bears, 1984-88: 10-6 (incl. 2-2 playoffs)
1-0 vs. Plunkett Raiders, 0-1 vs. Woodley/Marino Dolphins, 2-2 vs. Montana 49ers, 3-2 vs. Gibbs Washington, 1-1 vs. Reeves Broncos, 2-0 vs. Parcells Giants, 1-0 vs. Kelly Bills

Broncos, 1984-89: 8-9 (incl. 0-3 SB)
2-2 vs. Plunkett Raiders, 0-1 vs. Woodley/Marino Dolphins, 2-1 vs. Montana 49ers, 2-1 vs. Gibbs Washington, 1-1 vs. Ditka Bears, 0-3 vs. Parcells Giants, 1-0 vs. Kelly Bills

Giants, 1985-90: 18-10 (incl. 4-1 playoffs, 2-0 SB, 0-2 w/ replacement players)
3-3 vs. Montana 49ers, 10-3 vs. Gibbs Washington, 0-2 vs. Ditka Bears, 3-0 vs. Reeves Broncos, 1-1 vs. Kelly Bills, 1-1 vs. Young 49ers (4-4 overall vs. Niners)

Bills, 1988-93: 2-5 (incl. 0-2 SB)
1-0 vs. Montana 49ers, 0-2 vs. Gibbs Washington, 0-1 vs. Ditka Bears, 0-1 vs. Reeves Broncos, 1-1 vs. Parcells Giants

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Originally posted by Anthony
I'll take Dallas in the '90s over this current New England bunch any day of the week.
I'd probably take New England at least once a week, but I'm inclined to agree. Not only did Dallas avoid any down years, it didn't need the tuck rule for any of its championships.

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