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Old 06-01-2005, 07:04 PM   #1
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Let's hear it for the 49ers. 100% class.

You think Donahue loses his job over this? York gets suspended? Hey, I'm all for lesbian softcore, but c'mon! We're talking about an instructional video on how to handle the media!

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The may get fined, but seeing as they already cut loose the guy responsible for having the video done I doubt anyone else gets fired or suspended.
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My response to this whole tempest in a teapot can be summed up in one word:

WHATEVER!

And this beats out the revelation of the identity of Deep Throat as the front-page headline? (It actually did in the San Francisco Chronicle). Let's get real here.

If this "scandal" had involved, say, the Bengals or the Jaguars instead of the 49ers, the PR dude wouldn't have even gotten fired.

"Political correctness" has robbed us of our ability to laugh at ourselves - and that's ten times more "reprehensible" than anything that was in the video itself.

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i dont see why this is such a big story... it was a tape for football players! men who im sure can handle the stuff on this tape. when you read the comments of the SF mayor and people in the area it sounds like they showed the tape to a class of 3rd graders. no players [whom the tape was made for] came out and said they were offended by the content of the tape so who cares?
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I care!! I don't want anything to be said anywhere that might offend someone who's somewhere else!! All speech on the planet should be rated G. (insert sarcastic icon here)
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It is a huge deal because it is emanating from the center of the Politically Correct Universe: San Francisco.
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I understand this guy was in the PR dept with the team. But, if this was on the Dave Chappelle show, everybody would be laughing about it. I guess for some reason the media blow things out of proportion. I can't imagine why???
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I see your point, themush, but there are places for things and there are places where they don't belong, and this is certainly one of those. You're argument is basically saying because there are guns and F-bombs on The Sopranos, it should be on network TV because it's fine somewhere else. It doesn't mean it should. The 49ers are supposed to have some degree of respect and professionalism, and they showed none.
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I see your point, themush, but there are places for things and there are places where they don't belong, and this is certainly one of those. You're argument is basically saying because there are guns and F-bombs on The Sopranos, it should be on network TV because it's fine somewhere else. It doesn't mean it should. The 49ers are supposed to have some degree of respect and professionalism, and they showed none.

Then again, they haven't shown a whole lot of professionalism on the field lately either - nor are they likely to anytime soon, so long as Rich Uncle Penny Bags (aka John York) remains as their owner.
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the 49ers didnt do anything wrong- the guy who leaked this tape did- he shouldnt given it to the media- there's no reason to. the tape was meant to be like a goofy home video for the team's own football players- not the public. i'm sure the players thought it was funny- since none of them have said they were offended by it- and i'm sure other football teams have done stuff like this in the past, but since it was not leaked out no one cares about it.
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the 49ers didnt do anything wrong- the guy who leaked this tape did- he shouldnt given it to the media- there's no reason to. the tape was meant to be like a goofy home video for the team's own football players- not the public. i'm sure the players thought it was funny- since none of them have said they were offended by it- and i'm sure other football teams have done stuff like this in the past, but since it was not leaked out no one cares about it.
Unless, of course, the informant felt it was unprofessional, be they a man or a woman. "The guy who leaked the tape did something wrong." That's an absolutely ridiculous position to take. If Mark Felt doesn't blow the whistle on Watergate, then Nixon runs roughshot over the Constitution and things would be very different. Does that make Felt the bad guy? Um, no.

Here's a hypothetical, blackdogsong:

You work in an office comprised of both men and women. There's an instructional tape much like the 49ers' being passed around. You honestly think every single one of those employees would not find it degrading or offensive? This isn't about being PC (trust me, I'm the first to rail on oversensitivity), its about respecting the workplace. Why should such chauvinism be allowed to roam unchecked? How is that fair to the many female employees employed by the organization.

Here's the bottom line. Is it funny? Maybe, I haven't seen the tape. And hell, who isn't down for lesbians? Does it belong in the workplace, be it for internal use or otherwise? No. Period.

Like Marc said, its about time and place.
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Old 06-04-2005, 02:42 AM   #12
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gasp**gurgle**arggg**.....

'xcuse me.....that PC collar I've been wearin' was chokin' the **** outa me.....**ahhhh** There, that's much better...

First off, was it stupid?? Yes, in these overly sensitive, holier than thou, finger pointin' times, he should have expected it would get out & create a ****storm with him losing his job.

Is this your average workplace??? :lol: .....Yea, right....

No, this wasn't a case of women & men standing around the water cooler aghast at what they just witnessed. Indications are it was anonymously sent to the media with revenge in mind from a recently fired GM Donahue with a grudge.

Does it make it any less "insensitive" cuz it was for an audience of pro football players whose livelyhood is puttin' an ass whippin' on opponents & who aren't your average guys enrolled in sensitivity classes?? No but if you followed the point that the video was to be raucous & racy in it's delivery as to keep their wandering attention & not to lose them by lecturing them, you might at least understand it's intent. Instead of showing the right way, Reynolds showed the wrong way to show how bad behavior can muddy a teams rep. Ironic that the "good citizen" who leaked this (& I'm sure it was with the most honorable intentions...:lol, accomplished just that...

By all accounts, Reynolds showed nothing of this kind of behavior or tendencies in the past & while this ranks up there in the list of poor choices due to PC, it doesn't even come close to being a real issue.

& #99, how in the world to you compare this in even the slightest way to Watergate & Deep Throat??? Once again, PC gone wild. A guy with a grudge burns Reynolds ass & you think it compares to a whistle blower about a corrupt government?? This is just ridiculous.....

& Marc, the way you paint the 49ers with the blame when it supposedly never had to go thru upper management for approval is the same kind of "throw the baby out with the bathwater" mentality that incites this hysterical type of PC crowing that punishes anyone connected as opposed to allowing it to stay at its original size.

Your using network TV to bolster your workplace claim in respose to over-the-top type comedy like Chappelles which, if made, would never make it beyond a DVD release, is a great example of over amplifying a small story. If this stuff bothers you so greatly, you've got a lot of shocks in your future when your old enough to join the workforce.

This reminds me of a PC story that really yanked my chain a while back. A group of firefighters were found to be using the Fire House computer to check out some porn sites. While the point was solid that it was inappropriate that they were using taxpayer supplied equipment to view something that a lot of people find objectionable, the backlash was so intense that I was stunned beyond belief.

Here you have guys who risk their lives for a living to protect people & property & some obnoxious PC morons want blood & want the guilty to pay the price. The only way I'd agree with that is if these same morons have to replace them on the Fire truck & go into the next blaze.

The world can always be a better place & we should all take responsibility but too often the result is one of a mob mentality punishment of who they consider guilty of "henious" PC crimes. The PC crowd should get off their high horse & keep things in context....

p.s. Well said, Anthony...
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the 49ers tape and Watergate is two totally different issues and there is no way compare them. the articles say the tape was shown to the team back in Aug and since that time no player has anything to say about it. it not passed around the office for all to see- the only people who were to view this tape were the players- not people in the teams office. "It was made for 53 football players, and it was made in the lingo of the locker room."

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By all accounts, Reynolds showed nothing of this kind of behavior or tendencies in the past & while this ranks up there in the list of poor choices due to PC, it doesn't even come close to being a real issue.
By all accounts, O.J. Simpson murdered nobody before Ron and Nicole.

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& #99, how in the world to you compare this in even the slightest way to Watergate & Deep Throat??? Once again, PC gone wild.
It has nothing to do with political correctness; #99 was refuting the specific claim that the person who released the tape was the bad guy. It was an appropriate response to misplaced blame. The same kind of logic, applied to Watergate, makes Nixon the victim and Deep Throat the villain.

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Marc, the way you paint the 49ers with the blame when it supposedly never had to go thru upper management for approval is the same kind of "throw the baby out with the bathwater" mentality that incites this hysterical type of PC crowing that punishes anyone connected as opposed to allowing it to stay at its original size.
Maybe I'm misreading his post, but I didn't see Marc trying to blame the 49ers organization as a whole, so much as explaining why this video was so inappropriate. The NFL's statement said pretty much the same thing:
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Your using network TV to bolster your workplace claim in respose to over-the-top type comedy like Chappelles which, if made, would never make it beyond a DVD release, is a great example of over amplifying a small story. If this stuff bothers you so greatly, you've got a lot of shocks in your future when your old enough to join the workforce.
Now you're being insulting for no reason. Marc didn't say this stuff bothers him; he said it's out of place. I swear all the time, but I try not to do it in front of people's kids. But I don't flip out when other people do. And I bet Marc has heard racist jokes and seen lesbian softcore, and emerged none the worse for the wear.

"The 49ers are supposed to have some degree of respect and professionalism, and they showed none." Lack of respect and professionalism in an arena where they belong. I swear you deliberately read his post out of context.

I don't buy the notion, either, that being racy and over-the-top is the only way to connect with guys in the locker room. How about a little respect for these guys? Treat them like adults, not high school freshmen laughing at fart jokes and hiding an old issue of Playboy under the bed. Is sending a team consultant to Chinatown to make racist jokes really the only way to get players to understand not to do that? Isn't it possible that really sends the opposite message, even? It's like that old line, "I'm not sorry I did it; I'm sorry I got caught." This guy Reynolds acted like the behaviors in the video are all okay, even good in a naughty way (like that magazine under the bed), as long as you don't get caught. I don't think disagreeing with that makes me PC. That kind of thing is not acceptable, and it's ludicrous that people are trying to defend it. I'm not saying it should be illegal to mock minorities -- I believe in civil liberties -- but we should still understand that it's wrong, and not condone it. I'm glad the Nazis were given permission to march in Skokie, but I don't agree with them a damn bit. I don't agree with this Reynolds character, either. (Don't even think about being hypocritical enough to yell something like, "How can you compare this guy to a Nazi?!?!?!")

Hey, this video isn't a crime against humanity. Is it worth making a big deal over? No, probably not. But was it wrong? Hell yeah. Don't waste your energy defending it. This was a big story nationally for like, half a day. One guy, whose sense of judgement is obviously not up to the standards for a PR rep anyway, lost his job. That's it. The PC demons didn't do anything else. They aren't going on tv yelling about a video or organizing boycotts of the 49ers. They're saying, "Wow. Classy." And moving on. The overreaction to this hasn't been from the video's critics; it has been from the people celebrating it.
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This is San Francisco for crying out loud, the most liberal city in America. I've seen worse things on the freaking streets there than a soft core lesbian porn tape. Geez!

Of course, you know it's Janet Jackson's fault.
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