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Old 10-24-2007, 11:03 PM   #16
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I know - and I know you think he's a good QB - I was just saying that he's not making poor decisions. On the contrary he's using Randy Moss to his fullest potential. I say keep chucking them up there as much as you can until it doesn't work any more. Why stop a good thing?
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Old 10-25-2007, 09:38 AM   #17
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Or as they say in Marc's city of birth:

"Don't fix it if it ain't broke"
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Boy what a great season Tom Brady is having so far. He may throw over 50 TD's this season. WoW.
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I have a few problems with comparing todays QBs with ones from the past. The main one being the kids gloves that QBs are treated with these days. The QB might as well put a pink Tu-tu on and stand under center. QBs now don't take the pounding they used to.
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Old 10-29-2007, 04:49 PM   #20
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As for Tom Brady (and I know you brought him up on the
Brett Favre thread), let's give him a few more years to see
how the rest of his career pans out.

I agree with putting John Elway in contention, and the case
for Peyton's numbers is there (he'll eventually break all of
Favre's records someday if he stays healthy).

Consider this, though. Tom Brady is great because he is the
consummate "field manager" (much the same way Joe Montana
was) guiding GREAT TEAMS to championships.

Be honest on this one: swap Tom Brady onto some other team.
Would he be able to guide the Packers to the Super Bowl this
year, if he was their QB instead of Favre? Or, how about some
other team on the bubble, like Pittsburgh, or Cincinnati, or
New Orleans? How about the BEARS, with all their QB woes?
Or, is Brady great because he has had the good fortune of playing
on GREAT OVERALL TEAMS?
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Well, it's not really that simple.

You suggest taking him to a bubble team like Cincinnati, well, Marvin Lewis as a moron would mess Brady up. So, if Brady went to Cincy how would they be? Probably a little better than they are right now. But, I think the better question would be, take Brady AND Joe Montana and put them on those fringe teams and how would they do?

I think Montana would do better than Brady with the Bengals, but I still think he wouldn't be GREAT. Marvin Lewis is a QB killer, so just because success wouldn't follow doesn't mean you can necessarily dismiss a guy. Compare him to other QBs in those various settings. Name a QB to compare to Brady, then ask how they would do in those various situations.
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As for Tom Brady (and I know you brought him up on the
Brett Favre thread), let's give him a few more years to see
how the rest of his career pans out.

I agree with putting John Elway in contention, and the case
for Peyton's numbers is there (he'll eventually break all of
Favre's records someday if he stays healthy).

Consider this, though. Tom Brady is great because he is the
consummate "field manager" (much the same way Joe Montana
was) guiding GREAT TEAMS to championships.

Be honest on this one: swap Tom Brady onto some other team.
Would he be able to guide the Packers to the Super Bowl this
year, if he was their QB instead of Favre? Or, how about some
other team on the bubble, like Pittsburgh, or Cincinnati, or
New Orleans? How about the BEARS, with all their QB woes?
Or, is Brady great because he has had the good fortune of playing
on GREAT OVERALL TEAMS?
But that was my point - he hasn't played on great teams (until now). He's played on mediorce teams (well 1 team with mediorce players) and made them great. Never once has he had a pro-bowl WR to throw to. Now that he does this year, he's setting records and on pace to shatter a couple. Not too mention he is prob a lock for MVP. So to answer your question, yes, I think he would win a SB with NO (last year's team), Pitt or the Bears (no question). As for Ciny, I don't know. Palmer is great QB but that team is just so jacked up with no defense and a bunch of immature players.
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