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Old 07-09-2008, 06:00 PM   #16
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I don't see how a school choice is going to help. We need to put everyone in the public school system. It would force different classes and races to be integrated at an early age and hopefully instill tolerance, although I'm not sure if this is a quality that everyone wants their children to have.
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Old 07-09-2008, 06:34 PM   #17
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I don't see how a school choice is going to help. We need to put everyone in the public school system. It would force different classes and races to be integrated at an early age and hopefully instill tolerance, although I'm not sure if this is a quality that everyone wants their children to have.
In other words...maintain the monopoly that the government and the
teacher's unions have had over our public school system. Yeah, that
will help.

Ever taught in a public school lately?

Ever wonder why homeschooling has become so popular in recent
years?
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Old 07-09-2008, 07:12 PM   #18
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To both of your questions: No and no.

With that said, why shouldn't everyone be thrown into the same hell hole? Everyone should equally suffer in high school.
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Old 07-09-2008, 07:28 PM   #19
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Answer: no it is not fair. That's why we need school choice
so that lower income children can go to the good schools. Talk about
something that ensures the divide between the rich and poor...it's our
current broken public school system.


You should know better as a former teacher Phil. School choice is a means for magnet and charter schools to make a buck without academic standards. As poor as the inner city public schools are in terms of standardized testing...the magnet/charter schools are 10X worse. Poor/black kids don't leave the city schools to go to the rich schools. They aren't allowed to do so.

Addressing education is very myopic in terms of this rich/poor thing. Having kids in the ghetto go to rich schools (and they aren't even allowed to...just so everyone knows) doesn't address the other problems aside from education that they face.

You can't pick your poison when it comes to poverty. It's an "all in" proposition in terms of fixing it.

Having taught in an urban high school, myself, I felt the deepest depths
of frustration being in a school that provided everything, materially (rooms,
books, relatively small classrooms, an excellent library, all the printing I
needed) only to have a bunch of snotty, ungrateful, undisciplined 14-year
olds treat me like absolute crap, and do everything possible to
prevent me from doing my job (which is why I left HS teaching and went
back to teaching college).


I'll tread lightly here Phill cuz I've already made some pretty strong statements but honestly...if you were trying to use "standard/formal" educational techniques with these kids...that's your problem. Yes, you get the worst of the worst in the inner city (which I grew up in, taught and currently coach in) but if you aren't realistic about how to approach it (which in my experience can only come from being born in it) you aren't likely to make it work.

For the final month of the school year I taught in one of the richest school districts in my area and then went straight to coaching after school in the worst conditions imaginable. Never...I repeat NEVER...did I take the same set of rules with me from one place to the other.

Oh yeah...I agree with Ellis. Let everyone suffer equally...
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Old 07-09-2008, 07:40 PM   #20
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Hey, hey, hey...

Listen up teachers...

This thread is supposed to be about a half black, half latino hip-hop artist who wants to start a communist revolution around the world...

Take your education argument elsewhere!

(I'm kidding, talk about whatever you want.)
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Old 07-09-2008, 09:50 PM   #21
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Cat, it's not at all the same as public schools. Most private and religious schools obviously have some sort of religious education or teaching. As such, to take government money and support those kinds of teachings would be against the 1st Amendment to the Constitution.
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Old 07-09-2008, 10:23 PM   #22
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Not necessarily, Rick. There are many secular private schools.
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There are some to be sure but my understanding is the vast majority have some religious affiliation. And at any rate, the people who promote school choice don't make the distinction between secular and nonsecular private schools.
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Using tax dollars equally among the various religious private schools does not constitute establishment of a state religion, either, IMO. It is for the betterment of the education of the children of our country.
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I think the discussion on education has gotten off-topic from
what this original thread was supposed to be...

So, I'm gonna move this to it's own thread.
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