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Old 03-10-2004, 04:45 PM   #16
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It is an absolute travesty that poker and ESPN are even mentioned in the same sentence, let alone this activity being broadcast on a sports channel. As ellis would say, that is all.
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Poker has more of a place on ESPN than do Playmakers or Dream Job.

sport ( P ) Pronunciation Key (spôrt, sprt)
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1. Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively.
2. A particular form of this activity.
3. An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively.
4. An active pastime; recreation.

Obviously the first three do not fit Poker. However, the forth one does, so don't argue this isn't a sport. It is by definition. Believe it or not, this sport is becoming more and more popular every day, a year or two ago, nobody knew of Texas Hold 'Em or played poker. Now it's everywhere at least among my age group, and a signifigant group of my peers at least have watched it once or twice.
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Old 03-11-2004, 10:52 AM   #19
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Poker has more of a place on ESPN than do Playmakers or Dream Job.

sport ( P ) Pronunciation Key (spôrt, sprt)
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1. Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively.
2. A particular form of this activity.
3. An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively.
4. An active pastime; recreation.

Obviously the first three do not fit Poker. However, the forth one does, so don't argue this isn't a sport. It is by definition. Believe it or not, this sport is becoming more and more popular every day, a year or two ago, nobody knew of Texas Hold 'Em or played poker. Now it's everywhere at least among my age group, and a signifigant group of my peers at least have watched it once or twice.
Thank You, that was well said.

PEOPLE LIKE WATCHING IT , Marc.

It is more of a sport than NASCAR or Billiards, which they show on ESPN.

And, as Brandon said, what makes Dream Job or Beg, Borrow, And Deal more suitable for your stero-type of an ESPN show?
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Binions to reopen in April. So it looks like business as usual for the WSOP.
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_ho.../23406512.html

Two months after the problem-plagued Binion's Horseshoe was closed in a cash-cage raid by deputy U.S. marshals, Harrah's Entertainment and MTR Gaming Group's also-troubled plan to take over the property cleared its final known hurdles Wednesday.

The last obstacle to closing the three-way deal disappeared when Clark County District Judge Michael Douglas set aside his own order from Tuesday and confirmed the sale of the so-called Parry parcel for $1.8 million to Chester, W.Va.-based MTR subsidiary Speakeasy Gaming of Fremont, which will do business as Binion's Horseshoe
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It is more of a sport than NASCAR or Billiards, which they show on ESPN.

And, as Brandon said, what makes Dream Job or Beg, Borrow, And Deal more suitable for your stero-type of an ESPN show?
Billiards is definitely a sport because you have to have a talent at a physical ability, you have to stand up and maneuver, no question about that. Poker is you sit at a table, drink a beer, and hold some cards. Not a sport, and while it may fit under that definition barely, a lot of things would fit under that and you have to draw a line.

As for ESPN's "original programming," I have no problem with them. Under your theory, SportsCenter shouldn't be allowed because it isn't a sport being played, but guys in suits talking. The point is that shows that are fiction and portray sports are fine as a compliment, not replacement, for sports. But poker has nothing to do with sports, at least those shows are sports-related.
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Billiards is definitely a sport because you have to have a talent at a physical ability, you have to stand up and maneuver, no question about that. Poker is you sit at a table, drink a beer, and hold some cards. Not a sport, and while it may fit under that definition barely, a lot of things would fit under that and you have to draw a line.

As for ESPN's "original programming," I have no problem with them. Under your theory, SportsCenter shouldn't be allowed because it isn't a sport being played, but guys in suits talking. The point is that shows that are fiction and portray sports are fine as a compliment, not replacement, for sports. But poker has nothing to do with sports, at least those shows are sports-related.
Watch them play poker. They don't sit around and drink beer and hold some cards. There is not one alcoholic beverage on that table when the competition is high like that. And how about the mental activity? It's just as much as physical activity. You have to read other people, know the odds of the cards you hold, be able to play according to chip leads, etc. There's a lot more to it than you're giving it credit for. I don't buy the fact that it has to be physical to be a sport. It may not have the mass appeal of the four major sports, college, or even NASCAR, but it is a sport nonetheless.

And I think it fits that definition well. An active pastime, recreation. Active - I consider the mental activity just as important as physical activity. Recreation/Pastime - Game, sport, something to enjoy, etc. I wouldn't say it loosely fits that definition, it fits it very well...

My thoery doesn't disclude SportsCenter, I don't know where you got that from or even that I had a theory. It was a one sentence statement that I'll now indulge on.

Beg Borrow and Steal was a direct clone of Rat Race on CBS, a reality show. What does that have to do with sports competition besides the little skill challenges they have with famous athletes. Maybe when they play an actual game of football...

Or Playmakers. It's a drama. Not the actual sport of football.

Dream Job cloned American Idol. It has nothing to do with a sport. It has to do with a television show that deals with sports.

I'm not saying they shouldn't be on ESPN either, but I do think they should take a backseat to showing the World Series of Poker, ping pong, billiards, or whatever sports there are...

Baseball Tonight, NFL Game Day, Sports Center, etc. should be on ESPN. They actually cover the sports and what happens in them. They relate directly to the sports world and it's current events.

The fact is that if people didn't watch it and it didn't get ratings, it wouldn't be on. But it is, and is becoming bigger and bigger. They did a Celebrity poker game a while back on TV even.
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Brandon, all of those "original entertainment" shows on ESPN are not sports themselves, but they are based AROUND sports, so I have no problem with them. Poker is not a sport because there is no physical activity, and it is not based AROUND any sport, therefore it doesn't belong on ESPN. I don't care about ratings or how it is mental competition. A lot of activites are that, but they aren't sports.

Because you have to THINK and it is a PASTIME make something a SPORT? I refuse to believe that. Can someone back me up here? Everyone here agrees poker is a sport? Maybe ESPN should show political debates because it is mental competition between the candidates? There HAS to be a line drawn.
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I don't have a problem with the original programming. They can have it on for all I care. But what I said is this: dramas and reality shows about sports should not come before sports themselves. And so far you're the only one that specifically said that poker is not a sport.

You may not care about ratings, but ESPN does, and it's indicative of the fact that people are watching it. And I think I would trust ESPN's judgement of what's a sport and what isn't before yours.

Can you give me some concrete examples of what doesn't constitute a sport? Just curious to hear some.
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A sport should, first and foremost, be a physical activity that has competition and there is some type of score held. That's the most basic definition, IMO.
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The only thing that doesn't fit poker into that is physical. And while, yes, all the major sports are physical. IMO mental activity and training is just as important as the physical aspect.
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I won $40 playing cards this weekend. In my last 5 games, I am up $62.

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Old 04-08-2004, 01:42 PM   #28
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Yeah, well I wanted to bring this thread up for two reasons.

First, have you guys been noticing how popular poker is becoming? It is all over TV now days and more people are starting to want to come and play after seeing all of these guys on TV.

Second, have any of you guys seen the movie "Rounders?" Great movie. I have a feeling that that will be me one day. But, if you are a poker fan, you must see that movie.
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It is an absolute travesty that poker and ESPN are even mentioned in the same sentence, let alone this activity being broadcast on a sports channel. As ellis would say, that is all.
There is a reason why that is. Look at this thread, there were twice as many posts in this thread as in the Final Four thread. Clearly the interest is out there for it, otherwise ESPN wouldn't renew its contract with Binions for it. We can argue all day whether or not fishing, hunting, poker, spelling bee, or even golf and auto racing are sports, but when there is no other outlet for them, ESPN does a good job of covering all those events. Sure they could show poker on the travel channel, but ESPN does it ten times better, its easy to produce and rerun, and very cheap. Now only if ESPN would put all the profits they made towards lowering the 2.50 a month suscprition fee the network holds the cable companies up for, everyone will be alot happier.
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So what? There would be a ton of interest if ESPN covered porn, but does that make it right? Aside from the fact that they could because the FCC would be up their ass, I think it's a valid example. Just because it draws interest and ESPN covers it well doesn't mean it belongs! From a business perspective, it makes sense, but we all know what's good for business isn't always necessarily right.
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