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Old 07-17-2008, 06:36 PM   #46
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Needed to point out your math error here CK (actually, it will favor
Obama once I correct it...but I can't help educating someone on
numbers).

67% of Obama supporters are "more enthused".
54% of McCain supporters are "less enthused."

13 point gap is incorrect. You are comparing a "more enthused"
statistic with a "less enthused" statistic.

We need more info...but the "more enthused" for McCain is at
maximum 46%, but probably a lot less, because much of
this will be "enthusiam same".

Comparing "more enthused" gap, you've got 67% compared to
at maximum 46%, or an "enthusiam gap" of at least
21 points. Being more realistic, guess a gap of, more like
30-40 points.

That's grim for McCain.

However, as was pointed out somewhere else on this thread,
the "enthusiam factor" is only one of MANY variables, so McCain
still has a chance. Still, McCain certainly gets his hiney thumped
on THIS score.
Groovy cool math there Phil.

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Now if I can get you to accept a history teacher when he talks about economic/social philosophies we'll be movin' in the right direction.

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Old 07-23-2008, 05:18 PM   #47
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Now if I can get you to accept a history teacher when he talks about economic/social philosophies we'll be movin' in the right direction.
If it's a left-wing leaning history teacher...not a chance.
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Old 08-07-2008, 07:17 PM   #48
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Latest tracking polls show the two even-up.

Obama 44% McCain 44%. Some a few points either way.

This isn't a lock for Obama, is it?
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Latest tracking polls show the two even-up.

Obama 44% McCain 44%. Some a few points either way.

This isn't a lock for Obama, is it?
Not yet, but once we start the debates Obama will pull away big time.

When people see these two next to each other, it will be all over.

Considering that the majority of Americans agree with Obama on nearly every major issue, it will just take some time to educate the lazy American public.
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Considering that the majority of Americans agree with Obama on nearly every major issue, it will just take some time to educate the lazy American public.
Hardly think that that's the case.

I don't think the majority of Americans want to get taxed to death,
nor go 8 years without domestic oil, nor turn the whole health care
system over to the government.

A bit of seeing things the way you want to see them, CK.
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Oh, by the way, McCain would crush Obama in a straight up
townhall debate. Obama sucks when he's not in front of the
teleprompter, and he knows it. That's why he's been refusing
to debate McCain so far.
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Old 08-08-2008, 09:10 PM   #52
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Hardly think that that's the case.

I don't think the majority of Americans want to get taxed to death,
nor go 8 years without domestic oil, nor turn the whole health care
system over to the government.

A bit of seeing things the way you want to see them, CK.
Don't we already have at least some domestic oil?

It was probably CK who said it, but I've read here that if we were to start new drilling right now, it would be years before we actually saw an increase in domestic oil production. I have no idea if that's true, do you have any thoughts/info about it?
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As I understand it, the price of gasoline at the pump is effected by oil futures, which would be effected by a perceived increase in supply.
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It was probably CK who said it, but I've read here that if we were to start new drilling right now, it would be years before we actually saw an increase in domestic oil production. I have no idea if that's true, do you have any thoughts/info about it?
I have a response to that claim that "even if we drill now, we won't
even see the oil for another 10 years..."

Even if this is true, consider that if Bill Clinton didn't veto drilling for oil in
Alaska in 1996, we'd be seeing the oil now.

Do you really want us to make that same short-sighted
mistake again ???
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I have a response to that claim that "even if we drill now, we won't
even see the oil for another 10 years..."

Even if this is true, consider that if Bill Clinton didn't veto drilling for oil in
Alaska in 1996, we'd be seeing the oil now.

Do you really want us to make that same short-sighted
mistake again ???
Sorry Phil, but drilling for more oil is the definition of a "short-sighted" mistake.
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Fresh, what do you propose to do to power vehicles until we have alternate technologies available at market prices?
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I vote for mini fusion reactors in every vehicle....that should get people to think a little bit when on the road :lol:
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Fresh, what do you propose to do to power vehicles until we have alternate technologies available at market prices?
It's quite simple, follow the Department of Transportation's suggestions.

Drive less, walk when possible, keep cars tuned-up, inflate tires, those in large cities should take public transit more often, car-pool, etc...

If we do those things it will actually lower the price of gas, unlike drilling, which will literally accomplish nothing, other than profits for Exxon.

Laugh at the "inflate your tires" all you want, but it actually makes sense.

The idea is to lower demand and be responsible. The answer is not more supply. More oil only furthers our dependence, and delays the creation of alternative fuels.

Forget oil, and move forward.
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Fresh, your proposal is something I have done for years. You have offered nothing new. I want to know precisely what you want to do for the millions of commuters until alternative fuels are available at market prices.
Please elaborate.
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Fresh, your proposal is something I have done for years. You have offered nothing new. I want to know precisely what you want to do for the millions of commuters until alternative fuels are available at market prices.
Please elaborate.
That's great that you do those things, but most Americans do not.

Educating commuters would be much more effective than lining the pockets of Exxon Mobile

Again, drilling for more oil will have a limitedshort-term effect on gas prices. However, the long-term negative impact will be huge. It will push us deeper into the oil addiction. It will delay the formation of alternative fuels. It will cause irreparable damage to the environment.

3 cents a gallon isn't worth all of that.

This is typical... Progressives wanting to move towards the future, conservatives wanting to live in the past.

Now, you tell me, precisely, how will drilling help this country in the long-term?
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