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Old 10-16-2003, 06:37 PM   #1
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Well, the Cub's magical season has come to an abrupt end.
Ya, they were up 3-1 going into with 3 games to play (2 of them at Wrigley)

And some may say that "the fan" later identified as Steve Bartman, ruined the game and the World Series hopes.

But in reality, its just an excuse to lean on.
Would the Cubs have won if he doesn't touch that ball, who knows.

Any Cubs fan would have to be happy with this season.

After losing some 95 games in 2002, the Cubs bounced back to win 88 in 2003 under Dusty Baker.

And with some of the best young pitching in the NL, the Cubs may begin a New York Yankees like era of greatness.

That last era of Cubs greatness was from about 1906-1945.

NL Central Division Champs, NLDS champs, and almost NL Champs.

The only excuse I can think of is that the Cubs were beat by a better team.
The Marlins bullpen is 10 times better the Chicago's.
Offensively I think things are pretty equal with the exception of Pudge being the best hitting catcher in the game and Damian Miller/Paul Bako really haven't been an offensive factor. But then again, thats not what they were signed for.

"We didn't lose the pennant -- the Marlins won it," Baker said. "They won it, and they won it fair and square. So that's all you can say. We are runners-up, and next year we hope to be better."

"I think we took a good step this year," Prior said, "and hopefully we can build on it. Hopefully we're in this position again next year."

The Cubs will be if Darren Baker has his say.

"The Cubs will win next year," the 4-year-old said.




In my opinion, the ChC Bullpen needs to be cleaned out.

57 Antonio Alfonseca- One finger too many. Get him outa here!

48 Joe Borowski- Where'd he come from? Keeper.

51 Juan Cruz-Starter or Reliever? Keeper. (Trade bait)

44 Kyle Farnsworth-Triple digits! Keeper.

31 Mark Guthrie- Find another young Lefty before trying Mark.

37 Mike Remlinger-Solid. Lefty. Consistant. Keeper.

43 Dave Veres-Dave, try throwing it underhand!! See Ya.


With this said. That farm system should be put to work.
Maybe some offseason addtitions.

By the Way, Larry Rothschild's contract is up. They better resign him.
So, what do you guys think the Cubs need to work on to get to the World Series next year?


"Next Year."
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Old 10-17-2003, 11:32 AM   #2
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Yes they were beat by a better team. The Cubs had a great season winning their division, but not going to the World Series darkens the season a bit and Dusty Baker-can't win the big ones.
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Old 10-17-2003, 01:51 PM   #3
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The Cubs have some other issues to deal with, as well. They need to upgrade at catcher (Miller/Bako did OK, but they need some pop from that position), pick up utility players for their infield and outfield, hope that Corey Patterson's rehab goes well and that he'll be available for the full season next year, decide who plays at 1B (Choi is the future, Karros/Simon was OK this season) and eliminate Sean Estes.
Perhaps they could package Estes, Lofton and Simon to a team for a top-flight closer or a couple of young pitching prospects. They have a few arms in their minor league system that might be able to handle major league duties now, but they might be better off to sign someone like Mike Fetters who can pitch now.
All things considered, the Cubs should have a good team for the forseeable future.
Congratulations on a good season, Cubs.
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As much as it ended with a thud, I think there are several positives and the Cubs did provide the spark of hope that could very well carry into next season. As long as they keep their star pitchers, Wood and Prior, they should be able to build around it and keep winning.
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Perhaps they could package Estes, Lofton and Simon to a team for a top-flight closer or a couple of young pitching prospects.
Congratulations on a good season, Cubs. [/B]

What are you saying?? Dismantle what took you to the post-season. This is the Cubs not the Marlins.

Of the three Pirates the Cubs got, Lofton had the biggest impact.
This guy was in my opinion the best Lead off man in 2003 post season. And young pitching prospects, what??? Isn't that what The Cubs have pitching for them now??? And there aren't just a few young arms down in the system, there are enough to go around.

For now, I say Choi is your future, and I keep Karros and Simon.
Mark Grudzielanek can stay in Chicago forever. Who is Bobby Hill anyway?? We need bullpen depth, not utility guys, we have some of the best utility guys on the bench.

And I know, Patterson will return next year. But it's hard to turn down a guy like Lofton how created so much at the top of the order.

I would like to see Goodwin back next year and O'Leary out next year. Lofton returns. Simon returns. Karros Returns. Grudzielankek returns. Aramis Ramirez returns. Sosa returns. Alou returns. Patterson comes back. Alez Gonzalez is back.

Improve that bullpen, find a new 5th man in the rotation, and you are looking at next years NL Champs, maybe even a WS.

The Cubs bench is deep. and full of late inning weapons.

Dusty Baker can and will win the 'big games' as you called them.
In his FIRST year with the Cubs, look where they went.

Closer??? We need no closer, his name is Joe Borowski.
Borowski was the best in the bullpen this year.



Hello, where have you been all season?????

Clement, Zambrano, Wood, Prior combo is right up there with Zito, Hudson, Mulder---and Pettite, Wells, Mussina, Clemens.

Oh ya, you all say, 'well, Zambrano couldn't win a post season game.'

Give me a break, he is 22, and this was his first postseason.

The last time the Cubs won the division Zambrano was 8 years old.
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Old 10-18-2003, 04:33 AM   #6
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Umm Bobby Hill was traded to Pittsburgh.
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Thank you Diceman, you are correct.

I edited my post.
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I think the Cubbies are heading in the right direction. Pitching wins and they have a good 1,2 combo that will last them for many years.

I say if the Marlins have another fire-sale, why not pick up their players?
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Cubs88, maybe I need to clarify my statement about Lofton. He is far too valuable to be a bench player and when Patterson comes back at full-strength, that is precisely what he'll be. I'm not sure he can play left field. Hes been in center his whole career.
I would say that the Cubs need to trade him for some pitching and infield prospects. 2B will be a "need" position in a couple of years, as will LF, but they have some kids in the minors who could handle LF without difficulty.
Trade some of the higher priced spare parts for some prospects and play with what you have.
Here is a lineup that I would like to see:
CF Patterson
SS Gonzalez
RF Sosa
LF Alou
3B Ramirez
1B Choi
2B Grudzielanek
C Miller/Bako (?)
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Old 10-22-2003, 12:01 AM   #11
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Stop it!!

You are telling me that Choi is more deserving of a 1B spot than Simon or even Karros.

No way. Simon put up good numbers in Pittsburgh and in Chicago. He is a great guy to have up because he puts the ball in play.

Everybody underestimated Karros. "Oh, he's to old"
well wake up, he out did Choi.

As far as next year goes, Choi is last in line.
He is a good player, but wait, why didn't he play in the postseason, oh ok.......

I agree with Miller/Bako, I keep Miller for his vast experience, but I think I try to get a number 1 catcher,
Hey, Pittsburgh seems genorous, maybe Jason Kendall would enjoy some time in Chicago, heck, we practically have the whole team.

Patterson is a lead off hitter, but then he really isn't. He has all that power it's tempting to put him down a few spots.
Grudzielanek would return to leadoff spot. Tough call though.

Kenny, what to do with Kenny Lofton??
join the American league and get a DH, nah....

Kenny is one of my favorite players and its hard to send him away.

Thats going to be a tough decision.
But I can advise to wait until Patterson proves he is back 100%.

Some big decisions coming up for Dusty and company.
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