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Old 10-01-2005, 01:42 PM   #16
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Well, the biggest difference between Kobe and Wade is that Kobe wants all of the accolades and the media kissing his butt telling him how fabulous he is and Wade could care less about the press fawning all over him. Kobe seeks the spotlight and Wade lets the spotlight come to him. That is why Shaq gets along with Wade moreso than Kobe.
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Old 10-01-2005, 03:21 PM   #17
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Exactly.
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Old 10-01-2005, 03:28 PM   #18
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any GM would trade Kobe away for Wade. Wade is younger, cheaper, and has a huge upside. Kobe has already peeked and entering his 10th season i believe.

Kobe already has all the accolades he needs. he is still skilled, has the rings, and a multimillion dollar deal w/ Nike. what spotlight does he want? he's got it all already.
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Old 10-04-2005, 04:31 PM   #19
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peaked at age 27!!! you gotta be kidding!! he is just entering his prime. and with all that happened over the last 2 years, we are seeing a hungrier, more humble Kobe. Yes, he wanted all the accolades and to be a top dog. But Shaq had much to do with that as well. Shaq NEVER had this attitude with Kobe, it was all about Shaq. Shaq wants more money, wants the ball down the stretch, fouled too much, blah blah blah. Kobe HAD to take over in the 4th quarter, yet was expected to lay low the first 3? Michael didnt start winning till he was 27, so Kobe has a head start, and the Lakers are looking like a young Bulls dquad, when Michael was a ballhog, Pippen was just getting his feet wet. It took them 2-3 years before there 1st championship. Kobe is not a virgin dressed in white, but dont make him out to be the devil in this as well. It takes two to tango, and he and Shaq were to blame. But never underestimate the determination of Kobe, and that is the one thing that is most comparable to Michael.
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japardo...

If you keep putting Kobe in the same sentence with MJ, the sun is going to hurl itself towards earth and kill us all in a fiery display of God's wrath. I prefer to die the way God truly intended: watching my Lakers win 38 games for the next 10 years in a slow, painful demise.

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Old 10-04-2005, 10:53 PM   #21
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If you keep putting Kobe in the same sentence with MJ, the sun is going to hurl itself towards earth and kill us all in a fiery display of God's wrath. I prefer to die the way God truly intended: watching my Lakers win 38 games for the next 10 years in a slow, painful demise.

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Old 10-06-2005, 12:53 PM   #22
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then you must not really be a Lakers fan. do the math, and look at Kobe's age. This is the age where Michael came into his own- with Phil and Scotties assistance of course. It wasnt until the rape charge that the Kobe haters came out. Prior, he was constantly used in the same breath as MJ. And Kobe still has 10 more years to prove himself, on HIS team now.
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then you must not really be a Lakers fan. do the math, and look at Kobe's age. This is the age where Michael came into his own- with Phil and Scotties assistance of course. It wasnt until the rape charge that the Kobe haters came out. Prior, he was constantly used in the same breath as MJ. And Kobe still has 10 more years to prove himself, on HIS team now.

It wasnt until the rape charges that the Kobe haters came out, I believe thats the reason people became Kobe haters. Pretty good reason to. I think people wont compare them until Kobe gives reason to. I also dont think you should judge yourself a true fan of a team because you like all their players. I love the Lakers, I would say that makes me a good fan when I support them even though I dont like all the players.
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Old 10-06-2005, 05:57 PM   #24
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Would you want someone to be a "socal hater" based on the hearsay of a 19yr old girl who was looking at her 10 seconds of fame?

No one will ever know the truth, but last I checked, this is America- innocent until proven guilty.

My point about not being a Lakers fan is that of knowledge, and automatically looking at Kobe for all that is wrong with the Lakers. Yes, he had a hand in the downfall, but it was equal parts with Shaq and less so with Phil. Being a Lakers fan since the late 70's gives me some insight I believe. Had Shaq the same attitude in LA that he has now in Miami, and maybe Kobe would be more humble and less after the accolades in the past. But Shaq made that difficult, not to mention, all he wanted was money. Yet in Miami, he took LESS than what the Lakers offered him previously.

Kobe aint perfect, but enough with the bashing. He is top 5 in the NBA and this season, you'll see just why, again.
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Old 10-06-2005, 08:44 PM   #25
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japardo...

If you keep putting Kobe in the same sentence with MJ, the sun is going to hurl itself towards earth and kill us all in a fiery display of God's wrath. I prefer to die the way God truly intended: watching my Lakers win 38 games for the next 10 years in a slow, painful demise.

Thank you.
I'll put Kobe in the same sentence with Jordan right here again and again..... wear some SPF 3 million if you feel the need :lol:
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Old 10-06-2005, 08:50 PM   #26
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then you must not really be a Lakers fan. do the math, and look at Kobe's age. This is the age where Michael came into his own- with Phil and Scotties assistance of course. It wasnt until the rape charge that the Kobe haters came out. Prior, he was constantly used in the same breath as MJ. And Kobe still has 10 more years to prove himself, on HIS team now.
japardo--

Buckeye is a FORMER diehard Lakers fan (Showtime era). You would have had to be around on this board for a couple years to know all the rounds we went on that issue. He still considered himself a Lakers fan until the dichotomy became too much to ignore (love Lakers, hate Kobe, Kobe = Lakers). Buckeye hated Kobe LONG before the rape charges surfaced.

So let me save you a few hours, japardo, and let you know right now that the sun will come hurtling toward the earth in a fiery demonstration of the wrath of God before you will "sell" our friend Buckeyefan78 on the merits of Kobe Bryant
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Old 10-07-2005, 12:54 AM   #27
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If you recall Shawn, I still consider myself a Laker fan. I said that since I've been a fan longer than that no personality, selfish, no respect for elders, defensive gambling ego maniac has been alive, I was sticking it out. I can wait til he breaks a leg or someone locks him in a storage room deep inside the Staples Center and throws away the key (hmmmm ?)

I will say that WHEN Buss gives the go ahead and retires his number, then that will present a problem. His jersey has NO RIGHT to be beside #32. Note to self: call L.A. County Sheriff's Department and see how much the fine is if you break in the Staples Center and remove one framed jersey and wipe your a** with it.
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Would you want someone to be a "socal hater" based on the hearsay of a 19yr old girl who was looking at her 10 seconds of fame?

No one will ever know the truth, but last I checked, this is America- innocent until proven guilty.

My point about not being a Lakers fan is that of knowledge, and automatically looking at Kobe for all that is wrong with the Lakers. Yes, he had a hand in the downfall, but it was equal parts with Shaq and less so with Phil. Being a Lakers fan since the late 70's gives me some insight I believe. Had Shaq the same attitude in LA that he has now in Miami, and maybe Kobe would be more humble and less after the accolades in the past. But Shaq made that difficult, not to mention, all he wanted was money. Yet in Miami, he took LESS than what the Lakers offered him previously.

Kobe aint perfect, but enough with the bashing. He is top 5 in the NBA and this season, you'll see just why, again.

I should have included that even if Kobe did not rape that girl which he probably didnt, that at best he is an adulterer. My bad. Also him dragging Shaq into his problems by telling on him was not cool. Nobody likes a rat. I think Kobe is incredibly talented, I just dont like all the garbage that comes with him. Of course it was not just Kobes fault, it was Shaqs as well as far as them not getting along but Shaq is gone now so the focus is on Kobe. I have also been a Laker fan since the mid/late 70's when I was a little kid, grew up watching them. So I like to think I also know a little about the Lakers. Believe me, I hope the Lakers have a great season as well as Kobe, but Kobe only because he will have to have a great year for the Lakers to go anywhere.
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Old 10-07-2005, 12:33 PM   #29
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My point is this. I don't care if he is an adulterer or not. If he raped someone, prove it and put him in jail. Otherwise, I dont care who is sleeping with who. The NBA is becoming too much like Hollywood, when all I care about is what happens on the court. BUT some fans put too much credence into the personal lives of athletes, and consider them "role models". They play sports and they are good at it!! If my son sees an athlete as a role model, then I need to do a better job as a parent! Don't get me wrong, I looked up to athletes as a child, but I didnt get my values and ethics from them!! People today need to stop looking at athletes to provide ethics and values for kids. WRONG. Unfortunately for whatever reasons, many of these athletes have never been taught themselves. You can take a person out of the ghetto, but you cant get the ghetto out of a person.

Let Kobe play, and let's see what happens this year. Reserve judgement until we see how this season plays out. This is make or break year for Kobe and his tarnished image.
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Old 10-07-2005, 12:35 PM   #30
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Cooper gets the steal, outlets to Magic on the break, who passes it to Worthy on the wing for an easy layup!!

Word!! Lakers showtime baby!!
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