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Old 01-16-2006, 08:28 PM   #91
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i don't think the NFL is ready for his speed. you did see that run w/ flip into the endzone during the Rose Bowl, right?

Domanick Davis ran for 976 yards and missed 5 games, plus nice recieving numbers. the team had 4 rushing TD's in their last 3 games. they aren't that bad of a run blocking team. Bush will have a rookie season at least on par w/ Carnell Williams or Ronnie Brown. Bush is an insurance policy and future replacement for Davis and his knee problems and it creates a great one-two punch to keep Bush from being overworked.
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Old 01-16-2006, 08:52 PM   #92
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But wouldn't LenDale White be thought of as a "reach" if taken first overall?

Then again, people said the same thing about Edgerrin James at #4 in 1999.
Yes, he would, and chances are they can move down a few spots and still get him for a lower salary and pick up an extra pick or two to boot.

I love how you guys are bagging on Bush over his Rose Bowl performance. He did have 177 yards from scrimmage on 19 touches against that 'speedy' Texas defense. It may not have been a Heisman-esque performance but most guys will take 177 yards with 6.3 yards per carry and 15.8 yards per catch against Texas in a heartbeat. The idea that Texas shut him down is pretty silly. He may not have dominated the game but in no way did the Horns shut him down and render him completely useless.
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Old 01-16-2006, 09:29 PM   #93
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I'd like to see the Eagles go out and either trade up to get A.J. Hawk, because god knows how much help we need at OLB, or I'd sit at #13 and see if a solid pass rusher such as Hali, or the kid from BC would drop.
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Old 01-16-2006, 09:52 PM   #94
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here it is. even if the texans don't take reggie bush 1st overall..and take someone like d'brickashaw ferguson (great name), who they need since they had like a gazillion sacks allowed this year, anyway, getting back to bush...houston has domanick davis. now i don't think davis is consistent.having maybe 1 or 2 great games a season. but the offensive line won't hold up bush like they did at usc. so even if they get bush they'll finish with a 6-10, 7-9 season with the 11th-14th pick..

now with the second pick new orleans has some options. their o-line isn't that bad but if they look closely they might( 200 in 1 chance) pick ferguson. joe horn is as good as any wideout, but i don't really see a decent 2nd option. so santonio holmes or sinorice moss is a possibility, but a longshot. if bush is somehow open, picking him would be the stupidest decision ever with deuce mcallister. however, the biggest chance is matt leinart or vince young. matt leinart might pull a eli manning but he will likely be the selection.

now tennessee has vince young open here. steve mcnair is an aging veteran soon to retire. this is a situation where young could take 2-3 years to develop, so its perfect. however there's tommy maddox, supposedly "heir to john elwya" now he's a third stringer in pitt. so its young either way i think....even if so
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Old 01-16-2006, 10:21 PM   #95
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now with the second pick new orleans has some options. their o-line isn't that bad but if they look closely they might( 200 in 1 chance) pick ferguson. joe horn is as good as any wideout, but i don't really see a decent 2nd option.
Actually, Donte Stallworth emerged as a quality number two this year catching 70 balls and scoring 7 TDs. He actually had a better season than Horn did this year. The Saints are tiring of Brooks and will probably take Leinart.

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now tennessee has vince young open here. steve mcnair is an aging veteran soon to retire. this is a situation where young could take 2-3 years to develop, so its perfect. however there's tommy maddox, supposedly "heir to john elwya" now he's a third stringer in pitt. so its young either way i think....even if so
What the heck does Tommy Maddox have to do with Vince Young and/or the Tennessee Titans?
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Ah, I'm just anxiously awaiting the annual dumb draft move by the Jets.
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Old 01-17-2006, 07:47 PM   #97
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Kiper has posted his first mock:

* denotes underclassman

1. Houston -- *Reggie Bush, RB, USC
2. New Orleans -- Matt Leinart, QB, USC
3. Tennessee -- *Vince Young, QB, Texas
4. New York Jets -- D'Brickashaw Ferguson, OT, Virginia
5. Green Bay -- *Mario Williams, DE, NC State
6. Oakland -- A.J. Hawk, LB, Ohio State
7. San Francisco -- DeMeco Ryans, LB, Alabama
8. Buffalo -- *Haloti Ngata, DT, Oregon
9. Detroit -- Jay Cutler, QB, Vanderbilt
10. Arizona -- DeAngelo Williams, RB, Memphis
11. St. Louis -- *Vernon Davis, TE, Maryland
12. Cleveland -- Chad Greenway, LB, Iowa
13. Baltimore -- Tamba Hali, DE, Penn State
14. Philadelphia -- *Santonio Holmes, WR, Ohio State
15. Atlanta -- Michael Huff, DB, Texas
16. Miami -- *Winston Justice, OT, USC
17. Minnesota -- *LenDale White, RB, USC
18. Dallas -- Jimmy Williams, DB, Virginia Tech
19. San Diego -- *Ko Simpson, DB, South Carolina
20. Kansas City -- *Ashton Youboty, CB, Ohio State
21. New England -- Bobby Carpenter, LB, Ohio State
22. Denver (from Wash.) -- Mathias Kiwanuka, DE, Boston College
23. Tampa Bay -- Derek Hagan, WR, Arizona State
24. Cincinnati -- Claude Wroten, DT, LSU
25. New York Giants -- *Ernie Sims, LB, Florida State
26. Chicago -- *Leonard Pope, TE, Georgia
27. Carolina -- *Anthony Fasano, TE, Notre Dame
28. Pittsburgh -- *Antonio Cromartie, CB, Florida State
29. Jacksonville -- Thomas Howard, LB, UTEP
30. Indianapolis -- *Laurence Maroney, RB, Minnesota
31. Denver -- *Darnell Bing, DB, USC
32. Seattle -- *Chad Jackson, WR, Florida

I really kind of wonder if anyone will risk that high of a pick on Cromartie given that he only has one year of college football under his belt and he is coming off of an ACL injury.
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Old 01-17-2006, 07:55 PM   #98
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Ah, I'm just anxiously awaiting the annual dumb draft move by the Jets.
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4. New York Jets -- D'Brickashaw Ferguson, OT, Virginia
21. New England -- Bobby Carpenter, LB, Ohio State
As doublee pointed out in the "mock draft", Jets are looking at an OT. Leave it to the Jets to get an OT when they don't have a QB!! :lol: Love NE to stack the LB's... although their 2ndary needs help. Who knows how healthy Rodney will be coming off that injury. Can't wait for the draft!
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Marcedez Lewis kicks Anthony Fasano's ass and Leonard Pope's too so he better be a first rounder!!
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Old 01-17-2006, 08:12 PM   #100
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But, after Leinart and Young there aren't any QBs rated that high and the Jets did give up 53 sacks last year and averaged only 3.5 yards a carry so it is not as if a stud LT is not a need position.

Grabbing a LB would not be a bad move by the Pats given how LB-centric Belchick's schemes seem to be. Plus, Bruschi, Chad Brown, and Mike Vrable are getting on in years. They could use a good young LB to groom to take over when Bruschi or Vrabel move on.
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Jay Cutler is a good QB
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Old 01-17-2006, 08:23 PM   #102
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But, Jay Cutler is not rated as a top five pick...
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They have Lendale White going 17th overall... I would think he'd go quicker. I think Detroit is wasting another pick (gee, who'd thought that?) - I wouldn't give up on Harrington just yet - I'd give him another year. I mean, its not like that city is hoping for a SB, I'm sure they'd be happy with a .500 season... so what'd ya got to lose?
EDIT: Doublee - just realized that list is on "insider". Thank you for posting.
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Although I really don't like seeing a fourth overall pick being used on an offensive lineman, that really is one of their needs. I still think they should go for DeAngelo Williams and maybe look to free agency for thir O-Line needs, but if they choose Ferguson I won't be upset.
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Well, the thing is a lot of the teams in the upper half of the draft have running backs or have bigger needs:

1. Houston -- Bush is considered the best back and they do have Domanick Davis
2. New Orleans -- Matt Leinart is the higher rated player and they do have McAllister, although he is coming off of a knee injury
3. Tennessee -- Already have Travis Henry and Chris Brown
4. New York Jets -- Wouldn't be a bad selection here but they have bigger offensive needs like o-line and QB and the team is said to be pretty high on Cedric Houston
5. Green Bay -- The Pack are supposedly interested in him.
6. Oakland -- Just signed Lamont Jordan to a big contract and they are similar style runners.
7. San Francisco -- I could see him going here as well, but the Niners need to think about potentially losing Julian Peterson
8. Buffalo -- Have Willis McGahee
9. Detroit -- Have Kevin Jones who has shown he can succeed at the NFL Level
10. Arizona -- Not sure why they would take DeAngelo Williams when they already have a clone in him with J. J. Arrington. But, White doesn't really fit into Green's offensive scheme. He tends to like the more athletic backs who can catch the ball out of the backfield as opposed to between the tackles runners like White.
11. St. Louis -- Have Stephen Jackson and Faulk
12. Cleveland -- Already have Ruben Droughns, William Green, and Lee Suggs
13. Baltimore -- Already have Chester Taylor and possibly Jamal Lewis
14. Philadelphia -- Already have Westbrook, Moats, Perry, and possibly Buckhalter plus Reid never spends high picks on running backs.
15. Atlanta -- Already have Dunn and Duckett
16. Miami -- Already have Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams.
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