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Old 11-15-2007, 04:25 PM   #1
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Default Winning Super Bowl QB's and HOF

Okay, we all know that winning a Super Bowl does
not guarantee a spot in the HOF.

Okay, what's your assessment on them, so far?

AND...who was the FIRST non-HOF QB to win a Super Bowl?
(like naming the first Pope not to be a canonized Saint)

1,2-Bart Starr (HOF)
3-Joe Namath (HOF)
4-Len Dawson (HOF)
5-Johnny Unitas/Earl Morrall (Johnny U is HOF, Morrall not,
but this was probably more Unitas's win than Morrall's)
6,12-Roger Staubach (HOF)
7,8-Bob Griese (HOF)
9,10,13,14-Terry Bradshaw (HOF)
11-Ken Stabler (not in yet, but probably should be, maybe
this time around)
15,18-Jim Plunkett (No...not with all those lousy years with
New England. Furthermore, Rod Martin should've been named
the MVP of SB XV)
16,19,23,24-Joe Montana (HOF)
17-Joe Theisman (Case could be made, but probably not)
20-Jim McMahon (Great year in 85, but otherwise...uh uh)
21-Phil Simms (Like Stabler, maybe this time around?)
22-Doug Williams (Uh...no)
25-Jeff Hostetler (If we consider him, let's also consider
David Whitehurst for the Hall while we're at it)
26-Mark Rypien (Again...no)
27,28,30-Troy Aikman (HOF)
29-Steve Young (HOF)
31-Brett Favre* (Only reason HE'S not in the Hall, is because
he's STILL writing his chapters)
32,33-John Elway (HOF)
34-Kurt Warner* (Probably not, over his career)
35-Trent Dilfer* (HA!!)
36,38,39-Tom Brady* (Yeah, another lock, especially how he's
playing THIS year)
37-Brad Johnson* (no way, again)
40-Ben Roethlisberger* (based on this site, some people don't
think HE'S so good either)
41-Peyton Manning* (Another lock)

*-still active.

So, what's your take?
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Old 11-15-2007, 04:36 PM   #2
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No way in hell does Warner get in. As of right now Big Ben doesn't get in either.
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Old 11-16-2007, 04:48 AM   #3
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I think Joe Theisman & Phil Simms could be considered because they have done a lot of things off the field, like commentating games.

Brett Favre, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning are all locks

Kurt Warner - Nah... the only reason he's not lumped into the Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer group is because he did win an MVP one year.

Ben Roethlisberger - His numbers are pathetic... you'll never go to the HOF in this day and age with 19 attemps a game!! Unless he wins more SB's than Tom Brady... but that will never happen.
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Favre, Brady, and Manning should get in with no problem. It's way, way, way too early to say about Roethlisberger. For me, none of the others not in belong in the HoF -- QB and RB are proportionally the most over-represented positions in it. Stabler, Theismann, Simms, and Warner strike me as varying degrees of Hall of the Very Good, and the rest don't even merit discussion.
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Old 11-16-2007, 09:06 AM   #5
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Ben Roethlisberger - His numbers are pathetic... you'll never go to the HOF in this day and age with 19 attemps a game!! Unless he wins more SB's than Tom Brady... but that will never happen.
Boston, as much as I hate Big Ben, he is having one hell of a year. He is playing better than Manning, Palmer, Rivers, McNabb, ect...

I'm not saying he's a Hall of Famer, but he may be better than I ever thought... I hate to say it...
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I know he's having a good season, but I'm talking career numbers thus far.

If he is going to continue to throw 20 tinmes a game for the rest of his career he'll never make it, unless they are winning SB's (IMO).
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I know he's having a good season, but I'm talking career numbers thus far.

If he is going to continue to throw 20 tinmes a game for the rest of his career he'll never make it, unless they are winning SB's (IMO).
Yeah, but the thing is, his team puts him in great situations. When you have a great defense and good running game, the passing game becomes easy. His numbers look better than he really is... Can you imagine the type of numbers Carson Palmer would put up in that system>???? He is always playing with a lead, and he doens't have to take cahances because his defense is so good... It's a QB's dream...

But you're right, unless he continues to win SBs, he won't make it.
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I agree. One thing about great QB's is that when they don't have the best players (or best defense to bail them out), they can still find a way to win games.

When the Steelers (or I should say if) ever lose guys like Ward and Parker, and that tough defense, then we'll see what he's really about.
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I think they will always have a good defense - unless they get hit with serious injuries.

Willie Parker may hit a wall soon. Look at Rudi Johnson this season. He has taken a lot of abuse over the last 3 years and this season is starting to show that. Willie Parker might experience the same thing in a couple of years. Running backs who take that many carries per year typically don't last very long.
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I think Joe Theisman & Phil Simms could be considered because they have done a lot of things off the field, like commentating games.
But they both suck as commentators though.

As for Roethlisberger it is still too early to tell on him. If he continues to play as well as he has been recently for several more years and consistently wins 10-12 games then he has a good shot at getting in.
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I've heard Jim Plunkett being referred to as an HOF snub.

What do you think?

I think that, other than his winning those two Super Bowls
(and winning the MVP Award over Rod Martin was a travesty),
his career was pretty much a failure, and an exercise in not
meeting the high expectations in New England and San Francisco.

While we're at it, let's nominate Dan Pastorini for the Hall.
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I've heard Jim Plunkett being referred to as an HOF snub.

What do you think?

I think that, other than his winning those two Super Bowls
(and winning the MVP Award over Rod Martin was a travesty),
his career was pretty much a failure, and an exercise in not
meeting the high expectations in New England and San Francisco.

While we're at it, let's nominate Dan Pastorini for the Hall.
From what I can see, the case for Plunkett starts and ends with his two Super Bowl wins. He'd be by far the worst QB in the HoF in the unlikely event he ever got in. I think he's got utterly no business being there and wonder if the stumping on his behalf (as well as on behalf of Plunkett's coach in those two SB wins, Tom Flores, who also doesn't belong in) isn't pretty much just Raider fandom boosterism.
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