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Old 09-24-2001, 12:49 PM   #1
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BASEBALL'S UNBREAKABLE RECORD

Baseball fans love to discuss what records can never be broken. But, while all of the popular choices have such a slim chance of being broken, theoretically, they could all fall.

It's unlikely a player will hit in 57 consecutive games. But, since players can get a hit in a game and even Cliff Floyd can stay healthy enough to appear in more than 56 games, it can't be said it is impossible for Joe DiMaggio's record to fall.

Chief Wilson's 36 triples in 1912 appears to be safe, especially when you consider nobody's had more than 21 in more than half a century and Cristian Guzman is the only active player who has even had a season with at least half (20 in 2000). But, since it's theoretically possible for a batter to hit a triple at any time and since even NL starting pitchers get at least 37 ABs in a season, it is possible for the record to fall.

Who expects Johnny Vander Meer's back to back no hitters to be exceeded? I don't. But, as long as it can be said that a pitcher can pitch a no hitter on a particular day and as long as no hit pitchers stay in the rotation long enough to make 2 more starts, I can't say to a mathematical certainty that it can't happen.

Thirty six pitchers have struck out 4 batters in an inning, with Chuck Finley doing it 3 times (nobody else did it more than once). But, according to the rulebook, once there are two outs, a pitcher can strike an infinite amount of hitters. So, as improbable as it may seem, a 5 SO inning, or more, can't be ruled out.

We can go on and on about how there's at least a theoretical chance for any of the "unbreakable" records being broken and I haven't scratched the surface on discussing all the records that we think of as being unbreakable.

But, there is a record that it would take a federal constitutional amendment for it to fall.

Don Heffner was a mediocre player who spent 4 years as the starting 2B for the St. Louis Browns, while his career also included some backup time with the Yankees, A's and Tigers. His .620 OPS was more than 150 points under the league average of .773, while he accumulated -179 RCAA and he finished in the top 10 in worst RCAA in the AL 5 times during a 6 year span.

Heffner's career spanned from 1934-44. His 11 year career gives him the major league record for the longest career than spanned just 1 presidency.

According to the Twenty Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, a President may only serve 2 terms or, in case of a Vice President who succeeds the President, 2 terms plus half of his predecessor's term, which would be a total of 10 years.

Barring another constitutional amendment, there isn't even a theoretical chance Heffner's mark could fall.
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Old 09-24-2001, 01:41 PM   #2
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Thanks for the facts, nyy26wc. I love hearing about this sort of thing. Yeah, you could say that Heffner's record is pretty safe.
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The "safest" records are still Walter Johnson's 110 shutouts and Cy Young's 511 wins. No one will even approach either of these.
Another record that appears to be safe is Cobb's record for stealing home (36, I believe).
These records are almost certain to remain forever.
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Those records are also pretty safe, I would say.
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Old 09-24-2001, 05:29 PM   #5
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I remember reading in the Dallas Morning News that back in 1894, some guy named Old Hoss Radburn won 63 games. I would say that's pretty locked up. However, I assume were only talking about 1900-present records.
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Old 09-24-2001, 05:49 PM   #6
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Default Re: Baseball's unbreakable record

..you guys all missed the point -- "We can go on and on about how there's at least a theoretical chance for any of the "unbreakable" records being broken and I haven't scratched the surface on discussing all the records that we think of as being unbreakable." ...it's times like this that I refer to a quote I heard during Wayne Gretzky's retirement year.. I forget who said it, but it went exactly like this: "There probably won't be another Gretzky... but they probably said that about Maurice Richard and Gordie Howe, too."


Anyways..... I don't understand this "unbreakable" record...
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But, there is a record that it would take a federal constitutional amendment for it to fall.

Heffner's career spanned from 1934-44. His 11 year career gives him the major league record for the longest career than spanned just 1 presidency.

According to the Twenty Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, a President may only serve 2 terms or, in case of a Vice President who succeeds the President, 2 terms plus half of his predecessor's term, which would be a total of 10 years.

Barring another constitutional amendment, there isn't even a theoretical chance Heffner's mark could fall.
...so if a President can't spend more than a maximum of 10 years in office, tell me what President and unders what circumstances the President during Heffner's career was allowed to spend 11 years in office... I assume the cause of it would be due to WWII, but what exactly was the situation?????

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Old 09-26-2001, 08:37 AM   #7
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BASEBALL'S UNBREAKABLE RECORD
Thirty six pitchers have struck out 4 batters in an inning, with Chuck Finley doing it 3 times (nobody else did it more than once). But, according to the rulebook, once there are two outs, a pitcher can strike an infinite amount of hitters. So, as improbable as it may seem, a 5 SO inning, or more, can't be ruled out.
Hello??... why has no one responded to my question???

Anyway, when someone DOES respond, I don't understand this record.... according to my length of baseball knowledge, there are only THREE outs in an inning, therefore, according to my length of baseball knowledge, the most strikeouts one can obtain in an inning is THREE. . . . . . . . . . so..... I'm missing something... someone please fill me in.

Thanks.
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Lee, if the catcher bobbles the ball on a pitch that is the third strike, and the runner is safe at first, it still counts as a strikeout.
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President Roosevelt was the first president to not voluntarily step down after 2 terms. Plus, events like the depression and WWII kept him in office. And the maximum is 8 years in office now (2 terms)
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I know of two records that will never be broken and that is hitting five homeruns in a single game and a pitcher striking out 400 or more batters in a season.
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I know of two records that will never be broken and that is hitting five homeruns in a single game and a pitcher striking out 400 or more batters in a season.
I feel both can be broken.

First, five at bats can be achieved very easily in this day and age, and someone eventually will get 5 in a game.

Secondly, let's say a pitcher gets 35 starts in a season. It would take about 11.5 per start, which I don't think is that tough.

I truly believe that both of these records will be broken, and in the short term as well.
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With the band-box ballparks that are in existance and the pitchers not being too good, I would think that someone could hit 5 homers in a game. Also, with the concentration on swinging hard a pitcher like Randy Johnson might have 400 K's in a season.
I'm not saying that anyone will actually do either of these things, but they are possible.
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I agree that both of those can be broken. catman made some good points. They may be unlikely, but certainly possible.
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