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Old 01-02-2005, 12:33 AM   #16
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I know i just thought Brooks was popular with people, I never have thought he is any good.
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Old 01-02-2005, 01:06 PM   #17
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1] Peyton Manning
2] Tom Brady
3] Daunte Culpepper
4] Donovan McNabb
5] Brett Favre
6] Drew Brees
7] Ben Roethlisberger
8] Trent Green
9] Michael Vick
10] Chad Pennington
11] Jake Delhomme
12] Matt Hasselbeck
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Old 01-02-2005, 01:52 PM   #18
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My opinion on Brady is that he's not a great qb, he just has a lot of good players around him. I admit that all he knows how to do is win and that he is very clutch. But latley he's been playing a little stupid. He continues to do that little throw the ball while going to the ground thing. I think he's good but is far from Mcnabb, Manning, and Culpeper. Hes clutch, but doesn't take control of a game like the others do.

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Old 01-02-2005, 02:48 PM   #19
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No doubt about it...

You start off with QBs with at least 3000 yards, 25 TD passes, a 100 QB rating, and a winning team.

1) Peyton Manning
2) Donovan McNabb
3) Drew Brees
4) Daunte Culpepper

And now, the rest of 'em...

5) Brett Favre
6) Trent Green
7) Tom Brady
8) Jake Delhomme
9) Marc Bulger
10) Jake Plummer
11) Matt Hasselbeck
12) Ben Roethlisberger

I'm leaving Brooks out simply because of that one bonehead pass behind to the offensive lineman play. Carr is improving but 15 TDs to 14 INTs leaves him off the list. I wish I could've included Byron Leftwich just because of his last-minute thrillers this year. I loved those.

And how does Michael Vick get so much praise? He's got 2200 yards, 13 TDs, 12 INTs, and a 76.6 rating. That play leaves him 26th among all QBs. Hell, Arizona's Josh McCown is doing better.
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Old 01-02-2005, 05:59 PM   #20
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Quote:
Btw, I haven't seen a FSUVikings post in this thread, yet....hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm???
Well, please...allow me to end the anticipation....

1. Peyton Manning
2. Daunte Culpepper
3. Donovan McNabb
4. Drew Brees
5. Ben Roethlisberger
6. Michael Vick
7. Brett Farve
8. Matt Hasselbeck
9. Jake Delhomme
10. Trent Green
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Old 01-02-2005, 10:59 PM   #21
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And how does Michael Vick get so much praise? He's got 2200 yards, 13 TDs, 12 INTs, and a 76.6 rating. That play leaves him 26th among all QBs. Hell, Arizona's Josh McCown is doing better.

I've tried to point that out for a long, long, time. Some people just don't get it. *Cough* K-Bix.

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Old 01-02-2005, 11:49 PM   #22
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And how does Michael Vick get so much praise? He's got 2200 yards, 13 TDs, 12 INTs, and a 76.6 rating. That play leaves him 26th among all QBs. Hell, Arizona's Josh McCown is doing better.
Vick also has 902 rushing yards and has rushed for 3 TD's. What makes Vick good isn't so much his numbers, it's his presence on the field. You just don't know what he's going to do with the football, throw it or take off. When he's healthy he's one of the most unstoppable players in the NFL.
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Old 01-03-2005, 12:55 AM   #23
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*When healthy. One of the main atributes you mention (Vick's running game), leads to one of his biggest problems: injuries.
Also, a good point about Vick's rushing yards was made in another thread by someone. Most of his rushing yards are gained via busted plays. Atlanta doesn't call many plays for Vick to run, because it often leads to him missing the next few weeks. It's when he learns to throw the ball away, or run wisely that he'll live up to all of his potential and hype. Until then, he's a pretty average guy.
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Old 01-03-2005, 01:03 AM   #24
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Top 10 Running Backs and Wide Recievers

Let's just go ahead and give tribute to the RB's and WR's.
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Old 01-03-2005, 06:13 AM   #25
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:topic: But, ok.....

Suprise, suprise....but I gotta go with The Edge, and any of the Colts top #3 receivers you name....
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Old 01-03-2005, 06:14 AM   #26
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Yes, I realize you said top 10....but, it's early in the morning, and I am without coffee. I'll get with you on that one.
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Old 01-03-2005, 11:07 AM   #27
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:topic: But, ok.....

Well I could start another thread, 1 for WR and 1 for RB but let's just keep it together in 1 thread. It is about the same thing just diffrent positions.
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Old 01-03-2005, 05:12 PM   #28
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I'm a nerd, so whenever we have threads like this, I like to compile the results. If you award 12 points for a 1st-place vote, 11 for a 2nd-place vote, etc., here's our collective list so far...

1] Manning, 129
2] Culpepper, 111
3] McNabb, 107
4] Brady, 84
5] Brees, 76.5
6] Favre, 63
7] Vick, 51
8] Roethlisberger, 49
9] Green, 45
10] Delhomme, 40
11] Pennington, 35
12] Bledsoe, 19

It's worth noting that there was an unusually high degree of agreement this year. One person is almost solely responsible for the aberrations. gconnhokiebird is the only one who:
- doesn't having Manning #1
- doesn't have McNabb in the top 4
- doesn't have Brees in the top 8
- has Vick higher than 5th
- doesn't have Roethlisberger listed
- doesn't have Green listed
- has Pennington higher than 7th

gconn and FSUViking (who named 10, not 12) are the only ones who didn't list Brady. gconn and DWB are the only ones who have Bledsoe higher than 11th. gconn has Bledsoe 2nd, DWB has him 7th, kornbix has him 11th, and no one else has him listed at all. I think it's safe to say that someone is watching a different game than the rest of us...

As far as "top RB" and "top WR" discussions, I would strongly suggest that those deserve their own threads. The top QB discussion is always a big one, and in the past we've had lively and extensive discussions of both top RBs and top WRs (takes up most of the 3rd page, too).

Those discussions will remain much clearer if we keep them separate.
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Old 01-03-2005, 06:09 PM   #29
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Brad, maybe you should recompile the averages without GConn's at all. GConn, if you truly think Drew Bedsoe is a better quarterback, this year, than Peyton Manning, you need your head examined.
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Peyton
Culpepper
McNabb
Brady
Brees
Favre
Palmer
Roethlisberger
Bulger
Delhomme
Leftwich
Pennington

Just missing the cut: Carr, Testaverde (through 3 quarters), Volek

Not this year: Vick, Hasselbeck, McCown, Boller, Bledsoe, Ramsey, Eli

Likely never on my top 12: Garcia, Plummer, Griese, Harrington, Krenzel, Feeley

Lost in a gray area because I never see them play: Green, Collins, Brooks, Rattay/Dorsey.


:topic: I'm with Brad: please peel off Top WR and Top RB discussions into other threads. They aren't the same thing.

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