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Old 01-21-2005, 05:39 PM   #1
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For some reason this debate keeps coming up on the news.

NO! America is not an empire. First off, we have only been the leading power in the world for like 25 years, when the Soviet Union fell.

Also, an empire is a nation that continues to attack and expand. Although we were an "empire" during the time when we were expanding from the 13 colonies, now days I don't think we are an "empire".
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Old 01-21-2005, 06:05 PM   #2
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Interesting. Rob, have you been banned, or are you just running around confusing people with your tagline under your name?

I'm confused.

I'll have to dig, btw, to find the answer to your question. The debate is had, because there are members of the administration (can you say, Vice President Beast, or Ronald McTorture'emTill they Talk?) who do believe that they are building/expanding an American empire.

And, what else do you call it when you suggest that increasing your type of government on folks is the way to go?

Democracy (if that's what we want to call it) works here in the US of A, but who says it washes anywhere else? An imperialist, that's who.

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Old 01-21-2005, 06:16 PM   #3
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Found it.

Ron Suskind wrote an article in the NYT Magazine, dated Oct 17, 2004, entitled "Without a Doubt", in which an unnamed member of the adminstration claims that "we're running an empire here" (that's the wording I recall, anyway. Reality may use slightly different words).

I don't have a copy of the article and nytimes.com wants you to pay for it. I refuse.
However, your local library may have it in the back. Check it out. (I always enjoyed going to the Carnegie Libraries in the 'Burgh. I can't stand the Boston PL. Dunno why. Just so... ugh.)

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Old 01-21-2005, 07:04 PM   #4
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The Soviet Union officially disbanded on December 31st, 1991 at 11:59 PM, Moscow time Rob.

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P.S. The U.S. has been a leading power in the world for many years in many ways. The U.S. embraced imperalism shortly after the Spanish-American War in 1898, and was generally regarded as a bonafide superpower by most ( and now by most historians) with the 1921 Washington Naval Conference, as far as military capacities are concerned.
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Old 01-21-2005, 07:47 PM   #5
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Ellis, I'm pretty sure the "banned" was your doing...and it made me do a double-take, and then laugh. Cheers.
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Old 01-21-2005, 11:42 PM   #6
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My bad? I was off on the Soviet Union call.

Another good question is how are we going to fall? Every empire has fallen. When do you think we will fall and how will fall?
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We will never fall........
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Funny Tark.

Somehow I think if you were a few years younger, and in one of my classes, I'd consider retirement...LOL.
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:lol: :lol: :lol: , Buckeye...

& it would be a wise career move.....
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Ellis, I'm pretty sure the "banned" was your doing...and it made me do a double-take, and then laugh. Cheers.
Thank you. Now that joke is over, which I didn't end, I hope that most of you looked at that title and had to figure out what the hell was going on. I also hope that modorators had no idea what the hell was going on also.

Thank You
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