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Old 12-05-2002, 05:08 PM   #1
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Cool Priest Holmes Is the MVP

Priest Holmes with out a doubt is the MVP of the leauge. Without him, the Chiefs would easily be 2-10. He has more TD's than some TEAMS this year... With the chiefs pathetic defense, and no holmes, they'd almost never win...

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Old 12-05-2002, 05:20 PM   #2
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Preist Holmes definetly has a great case for MVP. But so does Micheal Vick, where would the Falcons be?

And Rudd gave you guys that first game....
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Old 12-05-2002, 05:34 PM   #3
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You have a point, but Vick makes a very good case as well. Should be interesting to see who ends up with the award. Vick would be my personal choice.
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Vick is a highlight reel waiting to happen. Does that make him MVP? I don't know.

Doug Johnson had a nice game in Vick's absence. Albeit the opponent WAS the Giants, the least fun team to watch in all of the NFL, maybe all of football period.

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i would like to see vick win it because he's fun to watch, but i think in the long run priest or gannon will get it...
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Old 12-05-2002, 09:42 PM   #6
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Holmes should win, but Vick is the most spectacular. His numbers aren't very good, though. Another year and he'll be more polished, certainly.
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Old 12-05-2002, 09:55 PM   #7
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Holmes should win, but Vick is the most spectacular. His numbers aren't very good, though. Another year and he'll be more polished, certainly.
His numbers aren't that bad, either. Vick turns the whole stats watching thing on its head, because while his QB numbers are a little more like what you'd see from a GOOD second year pro/first year starter, his RB numbers are just stupid. He leads the league in ypc, and is tied for 9th in rushing TDs with Marshall Faulk and Stacey Mack, while rushing less than half the number of times Marshall has, and Mack is Jax's short yardage specialist.

If he stays healthy, he could be the modern NFL's first 1000-yd rushing QB.

That has to count for something...

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Old 12-05-2002, 10:37 PM   #8
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Running backs are a hobby of mine, and based on my research, I'd say Priest Holmes is -- hands down -- league MVP this year. Consider:

name......yr........G.....att......yds......avg........td
Holmes.....02.......12....271.....1322......4.9........19
Brown......58.......12....257.....1527......5.9........17
Brown......63.......14....291.....1863......6.4........12
Simpson...75.......14....329.....1817......5.5........16
Sanders....97......16....335.....2053......6.1........11

name......yr........G.....recyds......tot yds.....tot td
Holmes.....02.......12.....634...........1956........22
Brown......58.......12.....138...........1665........18
Brown......63.......14.....268...........2031........15
Simpson...75.......14.....426...........2243........23
Sanders....97......16.....305...........2358........14

Adjusted for a full 16 games, Holmes would have the most yards from scrimmage and most TDs. Statistically speaking, he's on pace for the single best regular season ever by a running back. Comparatively:

name......yr........G.....att......yds......td........int
Gannon....02.......12....505.....3877......23........9
Vick........02.......11....280.....1994......10........3
Cunningham.90....16....465.....3466......30.......13
Warner....99.......16....499.....4353......41.......13
Marino.....84.......16....564.....5084......48.......17

For simplicity's sake, projected 16-game finishes:

name......yr......tot yds....tot td...rating...record
Gannon....02.......5337.........34.......99.6.....8-4 (11-5)
Vick........02.......3523.........24.......87.1.....8-3-1 (11-4-1)
Cunningham.90....4408.........35.......91.6.....10-6
Warner....99.......4445.........42.......109.2....13-3
Marino.....84.......5077.........48.......108.9....14-2

I'll be the first to admit that numbers don't tell the whole story, but they cancertainly provide some clues. The whole story in this case would note that Gannon and Warner had exceptional supporting casts and that Vick's is pathetic. But Vick is "merely" having a great season, while Holmes is having a truly historic one (he may break Marshall Faulk's single-season records for TDs and yards from scrimmage).

This is 1984 all over again: Marino shattered all existing single-season passing records, Eric Dickerson set the (still-standing) record for rushing yards in a season, and Art Monk obliterated the old receptions record.

This year, Gannon seems likely to break Marino's yardage record, even if he won't touch the others, Holmes is having the best statistical year ever by a RB, and Marvin Harrison is probably going to put the receptions record way beyond the current mark of 123.

Naming Vick MVP would show ignorance of the history being made this season, and an unacceptable level of dedication to highlight reels. When he's not making unbelievable plays, Vick doesn't get anything done. He's a terrific player, and extremely valuable to his team, but I wouldn't take him over Gannon, Holmes, or Harrison. If I had to take a QB for my team, I'd take Gannon. And if I had to take an MVP right now, it would unquestionably be Priest Holmes.
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Old 12-06-2002, 12:08 AM   #9
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Welcome Jayhawks. I agree if Priest Holmes stays on his present course and outgains LaDainian Tomlinson in rushing yards he has my vote, but I really don't get a vote lol

Seriously, they should let the fans decide that and the players.
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Old 12-06-2002, 04:42 AM   #10
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Quote:
Originally posted by Brad O.
Running backs are a hobby of mine, and based on my research, I'd say Priest Holmes is -- hands down -- league MVP this year. Consider:

name......yr........G.....att......yds......avg........td
Holmes.....02.......12....271.....1322......4.9........19
Brown......58.......12....257.....1527......5.9........17
Brown......63.......14....291.....1863......6.4........12
Simpson...75.......14....329.....1817......5.5........16
Sanders....97......16....335.....2053......6.1........11

name......yr........G.....recyds......tot yds.....tot td
Holmes.....02.......12.....634...........1956........22
Brown......58.......12.....138...........1665........18
Brown......63.......14.....268...........2031........15
Simpson...75.......14.....426...........2243........23
Sanders....97......16.....305...........2358........14

Adjusted for a full 16 games, Holmes would have the most yards from scrimmage and most TDs. Statistically speaking, he's on pace for the single best regular season ever by a running back. Comparatively:

name......yr........G.....att......yds......td........int
Gannon....02.......12....505.....3877......23........9
Vick........02.......11....280.....1994......10........3
Cunningham.90....16....465.....3466......30.......13
Warner....99.......16....499.....4353......41.......13
Marino.....84.......16....564.....5084......48.......17

For simplicity's sake, projected 16-game finishes:

name......yr......tot yds....tot td...rating...record
Gannon....02.......5337.........34.......99.6.....8-4 (11-5)
Vick........02.......3523.........24.......87.1.....8-3-1 (11-4-1)
Cunningham.90....4408.........35.......91.6.....10-6
Warner....99.......4445.........42.......109.2....13-3
Marino.....84.......5077.........48.......108.9....14-2

I'll be the first to admit that numbers don't tell the whole story, but they cancertainly provide some clues. The whole story in this case would note that Gannon and Warner had exceptional supporting casts and that Vick's is pathetic. But Vick is "merely" having a great season, while Holmes is having a truly historic one (he may break Marshall Faulk's single-season records for TDs and yards from scrimmage).

This is 1984 all over again: Marino shattered all existing single-season passing records, Eric Dickerson set the (still-standing) record for rushing yards in a season, and Art Monk obliterated the old receptions record.

This year, Gannon seems likely to break Marino's yardage record, even if he won't touch the others, Holmes is having the best statistical year ever by a RB, and Marvin Harrison is probably going to put the receptions record way beyond the current mark of 123.

Naming Vick MVP would show ignorance of the history being made this season, and an unacceptable level of dedication to highlight reels. When he's not making unbelievable plays, Vick doesn't get anything done. He's a terrific player, and extremely valuable to his team, but I wouldn't take him over Gannon, Holmes, or Harrison. If I had to take a QB for my team, I'd take Gannon. And if I had to take an MVP right now, it would unquestionably be Priest Holmes.


Not only that Brad, but the fallout from the "chuck rule" and the other changes adopted in 1978 (e.g., certain blocking techniques were made legal on passing downs but grounds for a holding penalty if they were used on a running play) more than cancels out the extra two games on the schedule, which were also added in 1978, so far as evaluating rushing statistics is concerned. So you don't really even need to "adjust" for the two additional games.
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Old 12-06-2002, 04:40 PM   #11
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Brad O those are some great stats u have posted there.
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