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Old 12-31-2007, 05:16 AM   #31
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Yeah, Welker was defintly a pro-bowl snub!!!
Wes Welker 112 Catches / 1175 yards / 8 TD's
T.J. Houshmandzadeh 103 Catches / 1053 Yards / 12 TD's
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Old 01-08-2008, 08:20 PM   #32
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The biggest snubs were T's Chad Clifton and Mark Tauscher for GB. How can you put in anyone else after the Packers threw the ball about 60% of the time and Favre still only got sacked 15 times on the season. There's no way that the Cowboys O-line has 3 pro bowlers and GB has 0. Atari Bigby has good numbers, but also gave up some good numbers throughout the course of the season and is an average SS. Nick Barnett was definately a snub, as he has been the last 2 or 3 years. Tatupu just made it because hes from USC. Where someone went to college seems to really influence whether they go to the pro bowl or not. (Big name school=NFL Pro Bowler) Also, Sean Jones is a good player, but Bob Sanders is possibly the best all-around defender in the whole NFL

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Old 01-09-2008, 05:46 PM   #33
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Badger, need to settle down your Packer enthusiasm, here.

Mark Tauscher had an okay year, but was banged up for part
of it. Chad Clifton had a rotten year (at least compared to how
he played over the last several years). The O-Line was actually
sort of a problem all year for the Pack.

The most major snub was Charles Woodson. He had, by FAR, the
best year of any CB in the NFC this year. Better than Trufant.
Better than Newman. Even better than Al Harris.

You could also make the case for Nick Barnett, with the kind of
year he had. Maybe, at a stretch, a minor case could be made
for AJ Hawk.

Bigby actually had kind of a crappy year. He had a few big plays,
and some key interceptions, but that's all offset by some of his
big major blunders, especially some of his big penalties, that led
directly to some touchdowns. I always felt more comfortable
with Rouse in there, rather than Bigby.

Crosby led the NFC in scoring...but between him and Folk, it's
a toss-up.

Other than the 4 GB had...should've added Woodson, maybe Barnett.
That's realistically about it.
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Old 01-09-2008, 06:27 PM   #34
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Bigby actually had kind of a crappy year. He had a few big plays,
and some key interceptions, but that's all offset by some of his
big major blunders, especially some of his big penalties, that led
directly to some touchdowns. I always felt more comfortable
with Rouse in there, rather than Bigby.
Couldn't agree with you more there. Only someone who hasn't really watched the Packers too much would think that he's a Pro Bowler. Good stats at a glance.

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Mark Tauscher had an okay year, but was banged up for part
of it. Chad Clifton had a rotten year (at least compared to how
he played over the last several years). The O-Line was actually
sort of a problem all year for the Pack.
I disagree, Favre was barely touched all year and was actually an underrated strength of this team in many games. They finished the season 2nd in franchise history in sacks allowed with a very young, inexperienced group, next to Tauscher and Clifton. The run blocking was bad for most of the season, yes, but anyone will tell you that it takes a full year for a zone blocking scheme to develop and it really started to over the last six games or so, so they're actually ahead of schedule there. As for injuries, that's only more of a case to put them both in, as neither one missed a game all year. I'm not even sure if either missed a snap. Packer enthusiasm aside, this is, by far, the most underrated pair of tackles in the game.

I don't think you can make a case for Hawk until he learns to shed a block. If he ever gets good at that, he'll be one.

Crosby was OK, but (Packers kicker here) led the NFL in scoring. Just because it was Mason Crosby doesn't mean he's a Pro Bowler yet.

Either Driver or Jennings was OK with me, but definately not both, so Jennings wasn't a snub. But Driver did deserve it, he belongs there.

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The most major snub was Charles Woodson. He had, by FAR, the
best year of any CB in the NFC this year. Better than Trufant.
Better than Newman. Even better than Al Harris.
Couldn't be more true. Remember Packers-Cowboys? The Packers ABSOLUTELY need to have woodson healthy, possibly more than any other player on their roster
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Old 01-09-2008, 11:41 PM   #35
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Woodson was an obvious big snub yes, but I think Mario Williams was bigger.
The problem with Woodson is that Al Harris was selected instead of him, which is absolutely stupid.
Barnett was also a large snub.
I think the reason for the lack of sacks on Favre is because Favre is elusive and smart enough to throw the ball away and stupid enough to throw it away instead of taking sacks. Clifton and Tauscher don't deserve a thing.
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I think the reason for the lack of sacks on Favre is because Favre is elusive and smart enough to throw the ball away and stupid enough to throw it away instead of taking sacks. Clifton and Tauscher don't deserve a thing.
Favre has not been throwing the ball away alot, like you imply. He actually set a career high in completion percentage this year. You need great tackles to run as many 5 WR sets as the Packers do no matter how good Favre is at not taking sacks. Favre was sacked 6 fewer times than Tom Brady this year. If there's no Pro Bowler on that line, then Brett Favre is the MVP.

Favre-
Career high in completion pct.
second fewest times sacked in career
3rd most yards in one season for career

I don't know how both of those guys aren't pro bowlers, much less one or the other.
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