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Old 11-13-2007, 03:21 PM   #1
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Default 16-0 and 0-16 ... in the same season?

It could very well happen with the Patriots and Dolphins. And even if both don't happen, which do you see as more likely? I see the Dolphins going winless as more likely because the Patriots will probably rest their starters towards the end and lose a game.
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Old 11-13-2007, 03:38 PM   #2
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The Dolphins are terrible. They won't win a game unless something crazy happens and they get 10 lucky turnovers in the same game.

The Pats would win every game if they don't rest starters. It looks like they will lock up homefield in week 14 or 15, so it looks doubtful.
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Old 11-13-2007, 04:19 PM   #3
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How awesome would it be if the Phins beat the Brady-less Pats Dec. 23rd to snap both streaks?
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How awesome would it be if the Phins beat the Brady-less Pats Dec. 23rd to snap both streaks?
I'd love it.
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Old 11-13-2007, 07:27 PM   #5
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The Dolphins are terrible. They won't win a game unless something crazy happens and they get 10 lucky turnovers in the same game.
I don't know about all that now. It is not as though the 'Phins are getting rolled every game. They have only lost their last two by a field goal and have lost 5 games this year by a field goal. They are a terrible team but sooner or later one has to think they have to get a lucky bounce at some point in time. Not to mention they still have games against the Ravens, who can't seem to score on anyone anymore, and the Jets.
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Old 11-14-2007, 12:30 AM   #6
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Serious talk about 16-0 and 0-16 in the same NFL season - in the same year that major-league baseball didn't even have 97-65 and 65-97 in the same season.

Seems as if the effects of all this salary-cap business just might be a tad overstated, no?

And if you think things are "bad" in the NFL this year, wait 'til next year, after the 16-0, Super Bowl champion Patriots get to make the top pick in the 2008 draft, which may very well happen since they have San Francisco's first-round pick?

So next year the Pats might be even better - and if the 49ers do finish worst overall this year, they could be even worse next year on account of not having a first-round draft choice.

And to add final insult to injury, the Patriots and the 49ers play each other in 2008 (at San Francisco).

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Old 11-14-2007, 01:06 PM   #7
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Just how dominant are the Patriots? Just ask the Vegas bookiesBy Tim Dahlberg / AP Sports Columnist

No doubt more than one coach has wanted to send Bill Belichick the same one-fingered message that Wyoming’s Joe Glenn relayed across the field when Utah went for an onside kick Saturday with a 43-0 lead in the third quarter of their college game.

Glenn got his wrist slapped for the gesture but at least he tried to stand up to a bully, unlike the passive public reaction displayed by Joe Gibbs and his fellow coaches after the New England Patriots [team stats] kicked sand in their faces.

Tough to blame them. Unlike Glenn, the NFL coaches may have to play their tormentors another time this season.

Buffalo’s Dick Jauron does, and the thought can’t be too appealing for a coach who has already seen what a team loaded with talent and led by a brilliant if unsympathetic coach can do when it also has a bit of a vendetta going.

It was ugly enough in September when the Patriots whipped the Bills at home, 38-7. No one outside of Buffalo has any reason to believe it will be any prettier when the two teams meet in a rematch Sunday in upstate New York.

Just how good these Patriots are is no longer a real question.

If anything, coming back in the fourth quarter against Indianapolis just added more ink to the stamp of greatness already bestowed on this team by everyone, it seems, except Don Shula.

They’ve still got seven games left in the regular season but, unless Tom Brady [stats] gets run over by a bus, it’s hard to make an argument for the chances of anybody left on the Patriots schedule stealing a cheap win and keeping the champagne usually shared by the 1972 Miami Dolphins [team stats] on ice.

Sports historians can then begin the debate of where this team takes its place among the best of all time. Talking heads on TV can talk themselves silly about whether it can ever be done again in an era of parity in the NFL.

Right now, however, the best judges of this team can be found in the oddest of places — behind the counter in the sports books of the glittering casinos on the Las Vegas Strip.

These guys have seen everything over the years, but they’ve never seen anything like this.

"You just don’t see these kind of numbers in the NFL," said John Avello, who runs the sports book at the Wynn Las Vegas, where the Patriots are 16-point favorites over a team playing at home that has won four straight games.

It’s pretty much the same story all around town, where oddsmakers scramble each week to put out a number that will somehow entice people to bet on whoever the Patriots are playing.

So far they haven’t been very successful, and the books have taken a beating as money keeps rolling in on New England and the Patriots keep covering the ever-growing spreads.

"Who knows what we’re going to see when they host the Jets," said the Las Vegas Hilton’s Jay Kornegay. "It might be the highest point spread in the history of the NFL."

It might be, if records were kept on point spreads like they are everything else in the NFL. The league wants nothing to do with betting on its games, of course, and lines vary from casino to casino by a point or two on most games.

Still, those who risk their bankrolls — or their careers — on figuring out how good a team is are pretty much in agreement that the Patriots [team stats] are the most dominant team in modern times in the NFL.

"Normally the wise guys (big bettors) realize how difficult it is for a team to go undefeated and compete at that kind of level week in and week out with everybody gunning for them," Kornegay said. "But the pros realize how good this team is. The perception is they’re out to prove a point and they’re not going to let up."

Sports bettor RJ Bell, who runs a betting Web site, said his research shows that the biggest point spread since 1980 came in 1993 when San Francisco was a 23-point favorite over Cincinnati, a game the 49ers won just 21-8. During that time, there have been only five games with a point spread of more than 20 points.

The Patriots could break that against both the Jets and Dolphins next month, and Vegas bookies believe they will be at least a 10-point favorite on the road in what figures to be the toughest test they have left, the last game of the season against the New York Giants.

That makes some oddsmakers nervous because there has been so much money bet on the Patriots to go undefeated and to win the Super Bowl despite the best efforts of bookies to entice money elsewhere.

Sports books around town stand to lose a bundle should the Patriots run the table.

No one is going to feel too sorry for the bookies, who win far more than their share of the money. Indeed, most oddsmakers are about as popular with the average bettor as Belichick is with his fellow coaches.

They do understand numbers, though, and they do know something about dominance.

They also know that with 10 possible games left for the Patriots, they won’t be the only ones taking a whipping.
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Old 11-14-2007, 01:11 PM   #8
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And if you think things are "bad" in the NFL this year, wait 'til next year, after the 16-0, Super Bowl champion Patriots get to make the top pick in the 2008 draft, which may very well happen since they have San Francisco's first-round pick?

So next year the Pats might be even better - and if the 49ers do finish worst overall this year, they could be even worse next year on account of not having a first-round draft choice.
I was thinking about that too Anthony... but I'd bet the farm the Pats will take their top 5 pick and trade it for someone's #1 next season. With the talent they have now, they will be fine drafting a couple second rounders (LB's) and then the following year will be back to business with two #1 picks as always.

If they run the table... this will go down as the greatest NFL team in history. I know some of you hate them... but you gotta admit, what we are seeing is pretty cool and we'll be able to tell stories about when we watched this team. I don't know about you, but I used to love hearing the stories about how great the "old timer's" were... and I never got to watch them play. Only see the highlights on ESPN. We are watching this stuff as it happens. Like them or hate them, enjoy it boys! :thumbup:
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Old 11-14-2007, 03:01 PM   #9
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Seems as if the effects of all this salary-cap business just might be a tad overstated, no?
Not really. I think parity is alive and well in the NFL.

The NFL has taken parity to a whole new level. RIght now, with the exception of ten teams - all NFL teams are pretty much equal in terms of talent/skill. On any given week, any of these teams could win or lose - they could get crushed or crush their opponents.

Now, like I said, there are 10 teams that do not fit into this category:

The top 5:
1. New England
2. Dallas
3. Indianapolis
4. Green Bay
5. Pittsburgh

and the bottom 5:
32. Miami
31. New York Jets
30. St. Louis
29. San Francisco
28. Oakland

Aside from these 10 teams, can you say with any conviction what any team in the NFL will do from week to week? Can you say, for sure, which teams are better than others? Are the Browns better than the Chiefs? Are the Cardinals better than the Ravens?

The NFL is no longer about the better team - it is about the healthiest team.
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Well i half agree with that and half don't you can't tell me that you don't think the giants aren't better than the Browns or Ravens.
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Old 11-14-2007, 06:02 PM   #11
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Give it 1 % chance.

You KNOW that Miami will beat SOMEBODY this year
(it ALWAYS seems to happen at some time or another).

Also, I'd give it odd-on that New England WILL falter
against SOMEONE this year (although I give NE the
better odds at 16-0 than Miami at 0-16).
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Old 11-15-2007, 03:47 AM   #12
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Since next Sunday night's game hasn't been switched yet, I guess it's now safe to assume it won't be - and if Jim Johnson goes with the same defensive scheme he used in the Dallas game, Tom Brady will break Norm Van Brocklin's single-game passing-yards record and the Patriots will score a touchdown on every single possession.
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Since next Sunday night's game hasn't been switched yet, I guess it's now safe to assume it won't be - and if Jim Johnson goes with the same defensive scheme he used in the Dallas game, Tom Brady will break Norm Van Brocklin's single-game passing-yards record and the Patriots will score a touchdown on every single possession.
Well Sunday they scored a TD on 7 of 8 drives... their last drive they finally punted. This is just flat out crazy what we are seeing. Brady and moss only played 3 quarters! They had 56 points with 14:00 minutes left to play in the 4th! Just doesn't seem fair to other teams.
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Miami is almost a lock to win a game. The Jets and even More likely the Bengals. The Dolphins will win one of these two games. NE is unbeatable I just hope Dallas puts up a fight in the SB.
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Why are the Bengals "more likely" to lose to the Dolphins? The Bengals beat the Jets. The Bengals have been in every game they lost, with the exception of New England.

The Bengals will beat the Dolphins by at least 2 TDs.
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