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Old 04-30-2005, 04:03 PM   #31
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I think the Lakers would be contenders if Phil came back to them. He is a great coach and he knows what it takes to win. Could you imagine the players that the Lakers could get if they traded Kobe? That's their best bet IMO.
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Old 04-30-2005, 04:45 PM   #32
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Phil knows what it takes to take a team that has the talent in place to win to the next level he has never, ever, been in a position to take a team that has good, but not great, talent to the next level. Everywhere he has ever gone the teams he took over had the talent already in place to win. The Bulls made the Conference Finals the year before Jackson took over and the Lakers tied for the fourth best record in the West and already had Shaq, Kobe, and Glen Rice in the fold before taking over. Bottom line is the Lakers do not have enough overall talent and don't play enough defense to be a serious contender.

The salary cap prevents the Lakers from being able to move Kobe for a bunch of other players in return. Besides, that who would you suggest trading Kobe to?
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I think Kobe's trade value may have been diminshed by not being able to carry a team like what was evident this year. So in less they have another star a team probably wouldn't trade for Kobe and the Lakers aren't giving him up for anything because they obviously think he is the best player in the league.
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Old 04-30-2005, 07:46 PM   #34
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Come now, only the lunatic fringe of Lakers' fans thought this team had enough talent to win. This year's squad was devoid of defensive effeciency and when we are talking about Chris Mihm and Brian Grant being your best big men/interior players you are going to have some problems beating squads like San Antonio, Phoenix, Sacramento, Dallas, Houston, Denver, and Memphis who all have far superior post men in comparison to the Lakers. I mean that is almost like saying LeBron's trade value dropped because the Cavs didn't make the playoffs. If anything diminished Kobe's trade value this year it was how he let the media just steamroll him and smear his image this year by just not keeping his mouth shut. Every time he opened his mouth the media was all over him this year.

Kobe can only do so much on his own there comes a time when you need some reliable talent around you to help get you to the next level. It is not as if Shaq has carried the Heat to the next level all on his own this year. The Heat would have been nowhere near the best record in the East if they did not have Shaq and Wade both out there this season. NBA teams need to have two or three guys that you can build a team around not just one. I think Kobe and LeBron showed that quite well this year. Have we not learned anything from T-Mac's tribulations in Orlando. Either you have to have a team with two or three All Star type of players or you have to have a team with five or six quality players a-la Denver, Memphis, and Detroit if you want to be taken seriously in the NBA these days. Heck even Jordan had some help it is not as though he won all of those titles by himself. Yes, he was a primary reason but he had some quality talent around him as well to help elevate the Bulls to an elite status.
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Old 04-30-2005, 09:13 PM   #35
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Exactly. The addition of Phil Jackson to the Lakers' coaching staff may get the current squad TO the playoffs next year, but there needs to be significant roster changes to really go anywhere. LA is definitely in a rebuilding phase and not likely to regain elite status anytime soon.
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Another reason returning to the Lakers may appeal to him (beside the fact that he's dating Jeannie Buss) is that Kobe and a few others know the triangle offense. If he went to Cleveland, he would have to teach LeBron the triangle. Seems L.A. is the path of less resistance.
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Old 05-01-2005, 10:38 AM   #37
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Yeah, but Kobe's the only key guy who knows the offense and he didn't play it when Jackson was there the first time and I will believe it when I seem him playing it if Jackson comes back. Of the top ten players in minutes played for the Lakers last season only three, Kobe, Luke Walton, and Brian Cook have played in the triangle before and Walton and Cook were 8th and 10th in minutes played respectively. So, no matter where he goes he is going to have to teach the offense to 70% of the guys who are seeing the most minutes anyways. Not to mention he will probably hang himself from the rafters halfway through the year when he cannot get anyone to play any semblence of defense.
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While watching the Sports Reporters, they made a good point. If Jackson goes back to the Lakers, then he lose a lot of respect. You diss Kobe and the Lakers for what happened and then you go back when they give you enough money to buy the team.
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I think the Lakers would be contenders if Phil came back to them. He is a great coach and he knows what it takes to win. Could you imagine the players that the Lakers could get if they traded Kobe? That's their best bet IMO.
That's absolutely crazy. Kobe isn't going anywhere for the following two reasons:

1. His contract is ginormous.
2. The Lakers gave him the ginormous contract.

The point is that LA sunk all their future financial flexibility into Kobe. The money he gets is guaranteed. In giving him the big payday, they've handicapped their ability to build around him. But build around him they must. Look, I'm a huge Laker fan and even I'm aware of how incredibly difficult it is going to be to right the ship. Buss and Kupchak really backed themselves into a corner and are now forced to build the team around perhaps the most unpopular guy amongst other players in the league. If Phil comes to LA, he's going to need a lot more than Kobe and four shlubs if he's going to win. For the Lakers to get better, they need to scrap about 2/3 of the current roster. That, unfortunately, means getting rid of Odom and Butler. Those guys have to go because they're the only ones with any trade value. Kobe is simply too expensive for anyone to reasonably take on at this point. He's untradable.
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agreed 99, for the most part... except I would really think twice and three times before trading Butler.. I think he's got a lot more potential than we've seen so far and even more importantly: he jives with the Bean.
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Don't get me wrong, I like Caron, too. But look at that roster and tell me anyone besides him and Odom would attract any interest from around the league. It's a risk, but it is being made with respect to the future.
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Odom is pretty much untradeable himself. The Heat laughed all the way to the bank when they unloaded that contract, as well as Grant's, on the Lakers. Odom has a max deal, or close to it, and nobody else in the league thinks he is worth anything near the money he is making. Besides that trading Odom and Butler is not worth it unless you get a greater number of players in return. You are not going to get that much for Butler. He is a nice player but he is not one of those guys that teams are going to give you multiple players or draft picks for. Same goes for Odom. Odom is overpaid for what he produces given that he does not play lockdown defense and only plays defense when he feels like it.

Ultimately, Kobe's contract is not the stickler here. Every good team has a guy with a contract like Kobe's and still manages to acquire enough talent to build around him. The stickler is that they are on the hook for 30 mil to Brian Grant over the next two years and 52 mil to Odom over the next four years.
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absolutely right, doublee...
and what it all boils down to is that calling the Lakers management's job this off-season a challenge, is an immense understatement.

But with Phil on board, working tightly with Buss and Kupchak, it would go a lot smoother. Everyone knows that.

My crystal ball says it's time for Jackson to embrace the challenge and show us some MacGyver tricks .
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An interesting development in the PJ Sweepstakes. The Sacramento Bee is reporting that the Kings are interested in talking to Jackson. The Kings present an intriguing possibility as they have a big man who can pass and two perimeter guys who can score in Bibby and Peja. Of the three teams still in the running the Kings seem to be the best fit talent-wise and of course they already have a winning team in place...
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LMAO! Anyone remember Phil's very outspoken distaste for Sacramento during the peak of the LA/Sac rivalry? He called it a 'cow-town' among other things... Odds of Phil Jackson coaching in Sacramento are roughly similar to the odds of me swimming to England
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