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Old 04-17-2010, 02:38 AM   #91
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Junie Browning II. It seems like he's going out of his way to antagonize people. And he has good kicks.

Actually, Junie didn't seem to be constantly looking for a (non-sanctioned) fight the way Jamie is. What do you think about him?

If you like Rashad, chances are you really love Jamie; and those who dislike Rashad must think Jamie is the absolute Antichrist.

But I think Jamie is potentially better off than Rashad: He has much better size (especially with him at 185 and Rashad, at least for the time being, at 205) than Rashad, he doesn't seem to be "boring" - either inside the cage or outside of it! - and his overall skill-set appears to be more diverse than Rashad's was when he fought in the house.

Essentially, Jamie is a scaled-up version of Rashad, in more ways than one (and I see absolutely nothing of Junie in him; Junie came across as a whiny "victim" who thought everyone else was "bullying" him. Jamie is the diametrical opposite of that).



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btw, I did check out three Sean McCorkle fights on YouTube, but I don't think I was struck the way you were. He's a huge guy, and he's obviously got some power, but the matches I saw were mostly clinching and laying on top of dudes. He does have impressive finishing power in his ground and pound, but I didn't see anything in the way of stand-up, and his grappling didn't appear to be anything special. He's very good at using his size. Is he from the Bay Area?

No one would ever accuse him of being soft, huh?

And actually he's from Indianapolis; among his teammates/training partners are Jake O'Brien, Chris Lytle, Matt Mitrione, and Shamar Bailey. They're presently training out of Indiana BJJ (the one in Greenwood, just south of the Indianapolis city limits) as their original dojo, Integrated Fighting Academy, apparently went out of business.
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Old 04-17-2010, 05:03 PM   #92
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If you like Rashad, chances are you really love Jamie; and those who dislike Rashad must think Jamie is the absolute Antichrist.
I'm pretty neutral on Rashad, but I suspect I'm going to end up despising Yager. Does this mean you love Jamie?

According to Sherdog, he has one of the stupidest nicknames I have ever seen: Jamie "The Chosyn 1" Yager.

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his overall skill-set appears to be more diverse than Rashad's was when he fought in the house.
I suspect you're right, since Rashad was basically just a wrestler then, but have we seen Yager do anything but throw a couple of kicks at this point? I don't know anything about his ground game or grappling, or even his boxing.

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(and I see absolutely nothing of Junie in him; Junie came across as a whiny "victim" who thought everyone else was "bullying" him. Jamie is the diametrical opposite of that).
Junie thought others were bullying him? I never got that. I do agree that Yager appears to be taking on the role of a bully.

Junie has obvious psychological issues, and he also took advantage of the medium to get some extra publicity through his behavior. Where I see a similarity is that they were both deliberately disruptive, drawing attention to themselves by acting like jackasses.

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Essentially, Jamie is a scaled-up version of Rashad
Jamie doesn't remind me of Rashad nearly as much as he does Nate Diaz. Maybe Nate would have been a better comparison than Junie.

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No one would ever accuse him of being soft, huh?
I would doubt it. Outside of maybe Kalib Starnes, though, how many high-level MMA fighters would really face an accusation of being soft?

Did you see Bleacher Report's list of Top 10 Fighters Who Could Drop A Weight Class (And How They'd Fare)? I don't know what I think of the list, since all of the fighters are big names who are successful in their current divisions, but (no surprise) Rashad is one of them. Of course, so are Fdor Emelianenko, Lyoto Machida, Anderson Silva, and Frankie Edgar. Yeah, those guys are getting killed in their current weight classes.
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I'm pretty neutral on Rashad, but I suspect I'm going to end up despising Yager. Does this mean you love Jamie?
I've got a feeling I'll be able to let you know what I think of Jamie after this coming week's episode airs (and which I won't actually see until I get back from New York).



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According to Sherdog, he has one of the stupidest nicknames I have ever seen: Jamie "The Chosyn 1" Yager.
I'm guessing it has something to do with Korea, as Chosen/Chosin/Chosyn (various spellings have been used) is an archaic name for Korea.



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I suspect you're right, since Rashad was basically just a wrestler then, but have we seen Yager do anything but throw a couple of kicks at this point? I don't know anything about his ground game or grappling, or even his boxing.
And speaking of wrestlers, King Mo cleaned up tonight, just like I knew he would. Who has Gergard Mousasi ever beaten? Goofy, Dopey, Pluto, and Babalu.



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Junie thought others were bullying him? I never got that. I do agree that Yager appears to be taking on the role of a bully.

Junie has obvious psychological issues, and he also took advantage of the medium to get some extra publicity through his behavior. Where I see a similarity is that they were both deliberately disruptive, drawing attention to themselves by acting like jackasses.
Junie was going on constantly about "you light-heavyweights" picking on him (the season on which he appeared had LHWs on it as well as LWs, the weight class at which Junie competed). And maybe Jamie's obvious anger-management issues stem from what happened in his most recent fight before he came to the house (and was that a portent of things to come for him, in the house)?


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I would doubt it. Outside of maybe Kalib Starnes, though, how many high-level MMA fighters would really face an accusation of being soft?
Well they say horrible things about Jake Shields in the usual places - although now they might stop after what happened tonight (which I also successfully picked, along with Gilbert Melendez and, as noted above, King Mo).



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Did you see Bleacher Report's list of Top 10 Fighters Who Could Drop A Weight Class (And How They'd Fare)? I don't know what I think of the list, since all of the fighters are big names who are successful in their current divisions, but (no surprise) Rashad is one of them. Of course, so are Fdor Emelianenko, Lyoto Machida, Anderson Silva, and Frankie Edgar. Yeah, those guys are getting killed in their current weight classes.
But you mean you are not surprised that Rashad was included on the list? And note how the actual comments could have been written by me.
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Whew, very disappointing night from Strikeforce. Three lop-sided fights go the distance with minimal action, capped off by an ugly brawl. Nick and Nate need a goddam baby-sitter. The Cesar Gracie camp has serious issues with professionalism and respect for the sport, and it may have just killed Strikeforce.

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I'm guessing it has something to do with Korea, as Chosen/Chosin/Chosyn (various spellings have been used) is an archaic name for Korea.
Is he Korean? To me, "The Chosyn 1" looks like the way a guy who's been hit in the head too many times thinks it would be cool to spell "The Chosen One". It looks like he's ripping off Justin McCully, who has an incredibly stupid nickname to begin with. Who looks at McCully and thinks, "Man, that guy has got the right idea"?

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And speaking of wrestlers, King Mo cleaned up tonight, just like I knew he would.
Yeah, I was shocked by how easily he won. I think he lost a lot of fans in that fight, though. That was lay and pray. He didn't attempt any subs, he didn't improve his position, and he didn't land very many strikes from guard. He just stayed on top and wouldn't let the guy up.

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Who has Gergard Mousasi ever beaten? Goofy, Dopey, Pluto, and Babalu.
Denis Kang, Melvin Manhoef, and Jacare aren't exactly nobodies. And Gegard looked really impressive in his wins. It wasn't just that he kept winning, he did it in dominant fashion. But I guess if you don't have takedown defense, and you've got Big John reffing, you're going to spend 25 minutes on your back and lose a decision.

I'd be interested to see Mo fight a guy with a really good offensive guard, or top-notch takedown defense. BTW, were you at all surprised at how easily Shields kept taking down Henderson?

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Junie was going on constantly about "you light-heavyweights" picking on him
Yeah, now that you mention it I do remember one time he used that phrase, out on the balcony I think. Just the once though, wasn't it?

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Well they say horrible things about Jake Shields in the usual places
Well, his tedious fight against Mayhem certainly earned some unhappy comments, but I don't recall people accusing him of being "soft", just a boring wrestler.

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But you mean you are not surprised that Rashad was included on the list?
I would have been surprised if he wasn't on the list. I've never disagreed that he's a relatively small 205, and the rest of the list was also guys who don't need to cut a weight class. Does anyone really think Edgar would be better off fighting at 145, or that Fdor should cut to MW?
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Whew, very disappointing night from Strikeforce. Three lop-sided fights go the distance with minimal action, capped off by an ugly brawl. Nick and Nate need a goddam baby-sitter. The Cesar Gracie camp has serious issues with professionalism and respect for the sport, and it may have just killed Strikeforce.
Maybe they should have Seth Petruzelli fight on their next card - on the theory that like cures like? :lol:


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Is he Korean? To me, "The Chosyn 1" looks like the way a guy who's been hit in the head too many times thinks it would be cool to spell "The Chosen One". It looks like he's ripping off Justin McCully, who has an incredibly stupid nickname to begin with. Who looks at McCully and thinks, "Man, that guy has got the right idea"?
If he was (half) Korean, he would be another Hines Ward - but that's not what I was suggesting; maybe he spent some time training in Korea or admires Korean martial-arts disciplines for some reason? BJ Penn is also half Korean, so maybe there's a tie-in there.


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Yeah, I was shocked by how easily he won. I think he lost a lot of fans in that fight, though. That was lay and pray. He didn't attempt any subs, he didn't improve his position, and he didn't land very many strikes from guard. He just stayed on top and wouldn't let the guy up.
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Denis Kang, Melvin Manhoef, and Jacare aren't exactly nobodies. And Gegard looked really impressive in his wins. It wasn't just that he kept winning, he did it in dominant fashion. But I guess if you don't have takedown defense, and you've got Big John reffing, you're going to spend 25 minutes on your back and lose a decision.
Yeah, Melvin Manhoef - another dude I would give anything in the world to see Rashad fight; since if he did, they would be pointing at Manhoef afterwards and saying, "Uh oh ... better get Maaco!"



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I'd be interested to see Mo fight a guy with a really good offensive guard, or top-notch takedown defense. BTW, were you at all surprised at how easily Shields kept taking down Henderson?
Dan Henderson is getting old ... and with Gilbert Melendez winning as well, I'd say it was quite a night for San Francisco - but enough of one to get something on at the Cow Palace?



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Yeah, now that you mention it I do remember one time he used that phrase, out on the balcony I think. Just the once though, wasn't it?
He may have physically used the term only once, but he was playing the "size card" virtually throughout the show.


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Well, his tedious fight against Mayhem certainly earned some unhappy comments, but I don't recall people accusing him of being "soft", just a boring wrestler.
Well it's closely related; "lay-and-pray," etc., are essentially thinly-veiled euphemisms for "finesse."


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I would have been surprised if he wasn't on the list. I've never disagreed that he's a relatively small 205, and the rest of the list was also guys who don't need to cut a weight class. Does anyone really think Edgar would be better off fighting at 145, or that Fdor should cut to MW?
You know and I know that Edgar-Penn II is going to go exactly the same way as Serra-GSP II went - and that's if Frankie Edgar is lucky! But so far as Rashad goes, he would be a very different fighter style-wise if he came down from 205 (not that his present style bothers me personally - but again, I'm not the kind of MMA fan they're courting).
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If he was (half) Korean, he would be another Hines Ward - but that's not what I was suggesting; maybe he spent some time training in Korea or admires Korean martial-arts disciplines for some reason? BJ Penn is also half Korean, so maybe there's a tie-in there.
I think I'm not understanding something here. How would he be another Hines Ward?

How does BJ Penn fit into this?

And I'm very skeptical that Yager's awful nickname is inspired by his admiration for Korean martial arts. Maybe I'm judging him too soon, but he doesn't strike me as a real worldly guy. I think it's far, far more likely that he deliberately chose to misspell "chosen" because it seemed cool to him.

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He may have physically used the term only once, but he was playing the "size card" virtually throughout the show.
Interesting, I never got that vibe. I think it was an issue once or twice when he was drunk and actively starting a fight, but definitely not something I noticed "throughout the show".

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Well it's closely related; "lay-and-pray," etc., are essentially thinly-veiled euphemisms for "finesse."
I disagree. Both are used to criticize an opponent for not being able to win the "right" way, but I don't think the terms have anything like the same connotations. I assume you're referring to the way "finesse" is sometimes used as a pejorative in football, for teams that emphasize speed and skill more than power and strength? When football players accuse someone of being a "finesse" team or player, there is certainly an implicit accusation of "soft"-ness. In MMA, lay-and-pray means you lack skill: all you can do is wrestle, with no striking and no subs. The lay-and-pray guys are often the most powerful, and in a streetfight (or before the unified rules) where they could do things like headbutt, some of these guys would be absolutely devastating. LNP means you're boring, and I don't think many people use it to imply that a guy isn't tough. It's a criticism of style rather than character.

In football, finesse is the equivalent of making fun of a nerd, someone who's successful but whom you could probably beat up. "You're smart and fast, do you think you're too good to run up the middle? Real football is played in the trenches! You're flashy, but you're soft. You may have won on the scoreboard, but we're tougher than you, you're barely a real man." In MMA, lay-and-pray is, IMO, the opposite accusation: "Fine, you're strong. But you're unskilled. You haven't studied, and you don't have the variety of skills this sport really calls for. You may have won on the scorecards, but you don't have any style, you're one-dimensional and boring. I'm not impressed by your performance."

To the extent it exists, I think the football equivalent of LNP might be a great running team that succeeds by executing a simple gameplan: Lombardi's Packers, the '72 Dolphins, Washington in the early 80s, the '04 Steelers, etc. The MMA equivalent of "finesse" might be a submissions specialist: Aoki, Maia, Yahya, etc. We both know there are fans who boo anyone who won't "stand and bang", but I think most MMA fans understand and appreciate active grappling. There's a big difference between working for position and setting up holds vs. pinning a guy down until the round ends or the ref stands you up, without working for strikes or submissions, maybe not even trying to improve your position.

That's what bothered me about Mo vs. Mousasi and Shields vs. Miller. They weren't active, they weren't trying to finish the fight, they were just lying on top of the guy. It's incredibly dull. I guess there's a certain skill in it, but it's not entertaining, not something anyone would go out of their way to watch. IMO, there are three kinds of terrible boring in MMA: endless circling, endless clinching, and LNP. They're equally bad, as far as I'm concerned. I want to see something happening, and I want to see guys trying to finish the fight. I don't have a problem, for instance, with GSP's performance against Hardy. He worked to improve position, he was striking from guard, and he continually looked for submissions. That's all I ask.

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You know and I know that Edgar-Penn II is going to go exactly the same way as Serra-GSP II went - and that's if Frankie Edgar is lucky!
Certainly BJ will be favored, but I think Edgar is a much more serious opponent than Serra ever was. There's a big difference between landing a fluke knockout -- the proverbial "puncher's chance" -- and winning a UD over 5 rounds.

Edgar's rsum is much more impressive than Serra's. I understand comparing the upsets, but not the fighters themselves. Edgar is on a different level than Serra.

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But so far as Rashad goes, he would be a very different fighter style-wise if he came down from 205 (not that his present style bothers me personally - but again, I'm not the kind of MMA fan they're courting).
What makes you think so? I've never known a fighter to dramatically change his style after changing weight classes. And I beg you not to bring up Jason Lambert. We've been over that.
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Well now, after UFC 113, everything becomes clear:

1. Rampage will beat Rashad at UFC 114, probably by KO.

2. Rampage will utterly dismantle Shogun and win the LHW title.

3. Anderson Silva will vacate his MW title and move up to LHW permanently.

4. Rashad will move down to MW and will very quickly win that belt.

5. Paul Daley will fight Jason "Mayhem" Miller.
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Wow, I don't think any of that is going to happen.

It seems like you think a lot more highly of Rampage than I do. I expect Rashad to beat him, probably by decision. Why on earth would you say that someone who has one KO in the last three years will "probably" KO someone who's only been knocked out once? Since Jackson joined the UFC in 2007, Rashad has more KO wins than 'Page does, and he has fewer KO losses in his career than Jackson does.

I think Shogun will beat whoever wins at 114. When they met previously, Shogun "utterly dismantled" Rampage, and that's when 'Page was still in his prime. Jackson has one impressive fight in the last two years. I can't see him beating Shogun, especially a decisive "dismantling".

Anderson Silva moving up to LHW is a possibility, but I don't think the UFC will let it happen before he fights Sonnen and Belfort, at least.

Rashad will "very quickly" win the MW belt if he drops weights? That's a crowded division: Silva, Sonnen, Belfort, Okami, Marquardt, Maia, Belcher, Akiyami, Wanderlei... A healthy, together Vitor Belfort could be a real force at 185. And don't forget that Rich Franklin could drop back to MW if Anderson Silva comes to 205. That would make 185 very interesting.

Not sure if you were joking about Daley against Mayhem, but I guess it's a possibility. Wouldn't happen any time soon, for PR reasons, and they fight in different weight classes, but never say never.
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Wow, I don't think any of that is going to happen.

It seems like you think a lot more highly of Rampage than I do. I expect Rashad to beat him, probably by decision. Why on earth would you say that someone who has one KO in the last three years will "probably" KO someone who's only been knocked out once? Since Jackson joined the UFC in 2007, Rashad has more KO wins than 'Page does, and he has fewer KO losses in his career than Jackson does.

Rampage's boxing has improved exponentially since he came back from Japan; indeed, it enabled him to avenge his two losses to Wanderlei over there. And all along I have maintained that Rampage's chances vs. Rashad would be greatly enhanced if Shogun beat Machida. And Shogun did.



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I think Shogun will beat whoever wins at 114. When they met previously, Shogun "utterly dismantled" Rampage, and that's when 'Page was still in his prime. Jackson has one impressive fight in the last two years. I can't see him beating Shogun, especially a decisive "dismantling".

Shogun should have been DQ'd when he and Rampage fought in Japan; and don't think for a New York minute that Rampage has forgotten about that (and only if Rampage does beat Rashad will he get to face Shogun; and if he does beat Rashad he will be 2-0 in grudge matches, and considering the above, Rampage-Shogun would be the great-granddaddy of all grudge matches).



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Anderson Silva moving up to LHW is a possibility, but I don't think the UFC will let it happen before he fights Sonnen and Belfort, at least.

Don't worry, Anderson Silva is still going to fight - and destroy - Chael Sonnen. But didn't Belfort just join AARP?



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Rashad will "very quickly" win the MW belt if he drops weights? That's a crowded division: Silva, Sonnen, Belfort, Okami, Marquardt, Maia, Belcher, Akiyami, Wanderlei... A healthy, together Vitor Belfort could be a real force at 185. And don't forget that Rich Franklin could drop back to MW if Anderson Silva comes to 205. That would make 185 very interesting.

Would Rashad make the move to 185 if he does get brutally KO'd by Rampage? Well I guess that depends on Rashad's cinematic tastes! If Rashad really liked Talladega Nights, he'll definitely move down, especially if Anderson Silva does go up to 205.



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Not sure if you were joking about Daley against Mayhem, but I guess it's a possibility. Wouldn't happen any time soon, for PR reasons, and they fight in different weight classes, but never say never.
Yes it was a joke - but it would be an awesome matchup though (and if I'm not mistaken Mayhem has fought at 170 in the past).
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Rampage's boxing has improved exponentially since he came back from Japan; indeed, it enabled him to avenge his two losses to Wanderlei over there.
I have to disagree; Rampage avenged his losses because Wanderlei is a shadow of his former self. Honestly, I think 'Page is, too, he just hasn't fallen as far as Wandy.

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if he does beat Rashad he will be 2-0 in grudge matches, and considering the above, Rampage-Shogun would be the great-granddaddy of all grudge matches).
He'd be 2-1, unless you don't count the first rematch with Wand. Maybe even 2-2, if you count losing the belt to Forrest after TUF. And there's no way a rematch with Shogun would be bigger than the one with Silva, apart from the possible stakes (LHW belt). The grudge factor was huge against Silva.

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Don't worry, Anderson Silva is still going to fight - and destroy - Chael Sonnen. But didn't Belfort just join AARP?
Belfort is two years younger than Anderson Silva. He hasn't lost in more than three years and has won his last three fights by knockout. I suspect you're right about Sonnen. I wouldn't mind seeing Silva-Okami II.

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Yes it was a joke - but it would be an awesome matchup though (and if I'm not mistaken Mayhem has fought at 170 in the past).
It would be an intriguing fight.
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I have to disagree; Rampage avenged his losses because Wanderlei is a shadow of his former self. Honestly, I think 'Page is, too, he just hasn't fallen as far as Wandy.
What has been wrong with any of Rampage's fights since he came back from Japan? And his only loss (to Forrest Griffin) was as the result of the most incompetent judging this side of Olympic figure skating.


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Well it would have been an illegal move if it had been a UFC fight - so Shogun is going to have to find some other way to finish off Rampage, if indeed he gets the opportunity.


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Belfort is two years younger than Anderson Silva. He hasn't lost in more than three years and has won his last three fights by knockout. I suspect you're right about Sonnen. I wouldn't mind seeing Silva-Okami II.
In June of 2006, I was there for Belfort's fight against Alistair Overeem. His performance that night (at a Strikeforce event in San Jose) was so horrible I wouldn't be surprised if Overeem won 30-15 on all three judges' scorecards (the actual scores weren't even announced, probably to spare Belfort gratuitous embarrassment). Maybe I'm reading too much into that.
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What has been wrong with any of Rampage's fights since he came back from Japan? And his only loss (to Forrest Griffin) was as the result of the most incompetent judging this side of Olympic figure skating.
Yeah, I had Jackson winning that fight, too. I've seen much worse decisions -- that was a close fight -- but it was 48-47 Rampage on my card. That said, the "old Rampage" would have destroyed Forrest. He just doesn't look explosive. The slams are gone, the unbridled aggression is gone. Win or lose, he didn't look particularly good against Griffin or Jardine.

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Well it would have been an illegal move if it had been a UFC fight - so Shogun is going to have to find some other way to finish off Rampage, if indeed he gets the opportunity.
That doesn't make any sense. It was legal in Pride, so obviously it wouldn't merit disqualification. Yeah, he can't soccer kick him here, but there's no reason to think he'll try. Rua absolutely dominated that fight, and the kicks to a downed opponent were incidental. It was just a matter of time in that match. It was a one-sided beatdown from the start.

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In June of 2006, I was there for Belfort's fight against Alistair Overeem. His performance that night (at a Strikeforce event in San Jose) was so horrible I wouldn't be surprised if Overeem won 30-15 on all three judges' scorecards (the actual scores weren't even announced, probably to spare Belfort gratuitous embarrassment). Maybe I'm reading too much into that.
That was almost four years ago. Since then Belfort is 6-1 with 5 T/KO, and the loss a decision to Dan Henderson. He looked great in his last fight, dismantling Rich Franklin at 195.

Anyway, you could say the same thing about Rua against Griffin or Coleman. Shogun is obviously not the same fighter he was two or three years ago. I think he would massacre Rampage, but I might change my mind if Jackson gets past Rashad.

Would you care to make a (non-monetary) wager on Evans-Jackson? Maybe for what we put in our signatures? You seem pretty confident about Rampage.
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Yeah, I had Jackson winning that fight, too. I've seen much worse decisions -- that was a close fight -- but it was 48-47 Rampage on my card. That said, the "old Rampage" would have destroyed Forrest. He just doesn't look explosive. The slams are gone, the unbridled aggression is gone. Win or lose, he didn't look particularly good against Griffin or Jardine.

Mir-Christison at UFC 61 being one such decision.




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That doesn't make any sense. It was legal in Pride, so obviously it wouldn't merit disqualification. Yeah, he can't soccer kick him here, but there's no reason to think he'll try. Rua absolutely dominated that fight, and the kicks to a downed opponent were incidental. It was just a matter of time in that match. It was a one-sided beatdown from the start.

But that doesn't stop Rampage from holding a grudge over the experience - a reference to which even appeared in Men's Fitness (or was it Muscle & Fitness?). And if Shogun is so invincible, how did Dana White overlook him, allowing him to fight for Strikeforce after he came over here from Japan? Surely you're familiar with the story of The Count of Monte Cristo - well that's how I see Rampage.



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That was almost four years ago. Since then Belfort is 6-1 with 5 T/KO, and the loss a decision to Dan Henderson. He looked great in his last fight, dismantling Rich Franklin at 195.

Anyway, you could say the same thing about Rua against Griffin or Coleman. Shogun is obviously not the same fighter he was two or three years ago. I think he would massacre Rampage, but I might change my mind if Jackson gets past Rashad.

Guess you had to be there that night; it got so bad that objects were being thrown at the cage (then again it might have simply been that kind of night, as the James Irvin-Bobby Southworth fiasco also occurred thereon).



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Would you care to make a (non-monetary) wager on Evans-Jackson? Maybe for what we put in our signatures? You seem pretty confident about Rampage.

What do you have in mind?

And did you see UFC Primetime last night? Pretty slick pro-Rashad propaganda piece, no?
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What do you have in mind?

And did you see UFC Primetime last night? Pretty slick pro-Rashad propaganda piece, no?
I don't know. It could be something on-topic about whether Rashad should drop to 185, something about Donovan McNabb, something silly... hadn't really thought it out.

I didn't see UFC Primetime; switched it off after TUF. Are they playing up Rashad as the "good guy"? BTW, what did you think of the wild card picks? McCray over Hammortree didn't sit real well with me.
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I don't know. It could be something on-topic about whether Rashad should drop to 185, something about Donovan McNabb, something silly... hadn't really thought it out.

That's all right. We've got time I suppose.



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I didn't see UFC Primetime; switched it off after TUF. Are they playing up Rashad as the "good guy"? BTW, what did you think of the wild card picks? McCray over Hammortree didn't sit real well with me.

Let's just say this: If you watched the whole thing, it would have made you want to walk on the other side of the street if Rampage was coming toward you on the sidewalk, while making Rashad seem as approachable as an auto salesman.

But I noted how much deeper Rampage's voice is than Rashad's, among other things. To someone with an admittedly narrow, traditionalistic mindset, Rampage seems so much more "like a man" than Rashad, on every conceivable level.

And on MMA Live on ESPN, it said that Matt Mitrione may next fight at UFC 117 in Oakland, which I of course will be attending; and if he does fight, his entire entourage from Indianapolis figures to be there as well (plus Nathan Marquardt may be fighting Rousimar Palhares at the same event - which is sure to lure many of his fellow Greg Jackson fighters, including Rashad; Rampage is also almost certain to be there as he has family in Oakland).

I'm thinking of bringing a webcam along, so everyone can follow me.

As for the wild cards, it hardly matters to me since I can't see beyond Kyle Noke and Jamie Yager for the contract (and you know of course that the "big announcement" in next week's episode is going to be Nick Ring's withdrawal due to his knee injury).

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