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Old 08-12-2006, 03:07 PM   #31
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Your right Ricky. Something must be done for walk ons.
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Old 08-12-2006, 04:09 PM   #32
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Your right Ricky. Something must be done for walk ons.
Yea, considering since they got in on their own merit and not because of football they can quit football and get a degree...as well as a job.
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Old 08-15-2006, 06:31 PM   #33
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I have always been in favor of a stipend for every athlete of like two to five hundred per month, with what the programs are making that should be affordable. I would also be in favor of seeing them allow juniors and seniors to sign shoe (etc) contracts as a way of keepingthem in school.
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I guess if college athletes are paid, then we should also pay high-schoolers, middle-schoolers, pee-wees, when does it end? And if you pay college football players, how do you determine what other athletes to pay?

Look, getting a free education and the chance to make millions as a pro if you're good is enough. They have to pay their dues ... and again, it's not like they're slaves out there. The whole point of collegiate athletics is they are amateurs who are not paid. If you pay them, college becomes the minor leagues, a subpar NFL.

No one should feel sorry for college football players. Free education, housing, they are rock stars on campus ... the list goes on. This idea is absurd. Why are we in a rush to sign them with endorsements and pay them? That time will come. Let them be college students first.
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Old 08-15-2006, 06:58 PM   #35
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I have always been in favor of a stipend for every athlete of like two to five hundred per month, with what the programs are making that should be affordable. I would also be in favor of seeing them allow juniors and seniors to sign shoe (etc) contracts as a way of keepingthem in school.
Again, it just isn't affordable. Most athletic departments struggle to break even or turn a profit. The numbers just aren't there. In order to do it they would have to cut out a large number of non-revenue generating sports to do so.
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Again, it just isn't affordable. Most athletic departments struggle to break even or turn a profit. The numbers just aren't there. In order to do it they would have to cut out a large number of non-revenue generating sports to do so.
Teams in conf like the SEC.Big 10, Big 12, etc make huge amounts of money from marketing uniforms etc, the number 1 jersey at Michigan makes a small fortune alone, there is money available, however much of that money at bigger schools is taken by the University itself and used for non-athletic spending. The NCAA is also taking a huge chucnk as an administrative body, much more than they deserve.
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Okay let's look at this way then. In order to do this you will likely need at least $1,000,000 per academic year to fund these athletes. In the 2004/05 academic year only five out of 11 teams in the Big Ten (Michigan, Wisconsin, Illinois, Iowa, and Michigan State) made a profit of more than one million dollars. Penn State and Ohio State turned profits of $566,824 and $120,673 respectively while Northwestern broke even. The rest of the schools lost money operating its athletic departments. Based on those numbers over half of the schools in the Big Ten could not afford such an endeavor.

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I respect your figures, but out of the revenue side of the schools how much was paid out to the NCAA? And unless I am mistaken the marketing money (made directly from the reps of the players) doesn't go into the AD it goes tothe General fund. I fully understand your point, it is my conetention that the money is there just disguised as something else.
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Ohio State has the largest budget in the nation and their AD is separate from the general fund.
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I respect your figures, but out of the revenue side of the schools how much was paid out to the NCAA? And unless I am mistaken the marketing money (made directly from the reps of the players) doesn't go into the AD it goes tothe General fund. I fully understand your point, it is my conetention that the money is there just disguised as something else.
So, then, if I am reading this right you are in favor of taking monies from other students who are actually there trying to get a degree so some athletes, half of which have no interest in getting a degree, some pocket money?
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Doublee, I think, and I may be wrong here, that he means the NCAA is getting a lot of profit from the schools athletic depts. I dunno if I am translating correctly though.
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Partially he is, but he also made a reference to marketing money that goes to the general fund as opposed to the AD, so I am guessing that he is saying that money should go to funding athletics as opposed to going to fund programs for the student population as a whole.
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No - They are getting a free education........
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Short n' sweet eh Sue?

Hey, you didn't comment in my Big Ten predictions thread. What gives? Jealous of our greatness?

BTW...December 23 in college basketball: Ohio State at Florida. Of course we gotta go down there....but we'll still kick your ass.
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Partially he is, but he also made a reference to marketing money that goes to the general fund as opposed to the AD, so I am guessing that he is saying that money should go to funding athletics as opposed to going to fund programs for the student population as a whole.

That is because without the Athletic Department there wouldn't be any marketing money, I can't see a lot of folks buyinh a sweatshirt that say GO PSYCH DEPARTMENT. If they generate the income the should be allowed to keep it. Now I also understand that the University is giving them a place to play and an education, but let's face it a football and basketball program exists main to create income. If it was just to promote good sportsmanship and offer a physical outlet for the students we wouldn't need, conferences, scores or100,000 seat stadiums.
The only reason to pay a small stipend to athletes is because they (by NCAA rules) aren't allowed to work or to accept any gifts. As long as everyone is happy with kids leaving earlyfor the pros we don't need any changes, but if we want to stop we are going to have do something.
It is OK to say they are getting a great education and for a lot of guys that is enough, but I think we all truthfully know that a lot of these guys are all athlete and no student. I wish I was wrong but I don't think I am.
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