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Old 01-21-2009, 08:40 PM   #16
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How does Pitt drop to 4 with just one loss and being at #1? They just beat # 8 Syracuse today...but wait... they aren't in the ACC...
I think Pitt was kind of #1 by default. Not sure if anyone really wanted to put them there, but they were undefeated.
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Old 01-22-2009, 10:40 AM   #17
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And they were ranked higher than Wake to boot. But it looks like Duke will be #1 next week as long as they don't screw things up against Maryland this weekend.
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Old 01-24-2009, 12:47 PM   #18
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To be honest I think the Big East is a bit overrated to begin with.
I was curious about this line when I originally responded, and the ESPN guys talking about the strength of the Big East on the Gameday show this morning got me thinking about it again.

If they are overrated as a Conference, then who is better, or better yet, why do you consider them overrated?

The talk this year is Big East v. ACC.

The ACC always looks good, so it doesn't surprise me what they are doing. The past three years, though, they have 3 Sweet 16s. Duke in 06, then North Carolina, North Carolina. THREE.

In the same time frame, here are the Big East teams in the Sweet 16...

06: West Virginia, Villanova, Georgetown, UCONN
07: Pittsburgh Georgetown
08: West Virginia, Villanova, Louisville

In the recent years, it's between the Big East and Pac 10 for best basketball. 3 Sweet Sixteens last year for the Pac-10. 3 in 2007. 2 in 2006.

The SEC has been solid over that time frame. 2, 3, 1 on the appearances. But, last year they were kind of down in the Tournament, so I don't want to put them up there just quite yet.

All, I'm saying, is that they have been one of the two best conferences in terms of consistency the last three years as only they and the Pac-10 haven't really been down.

Anyway, I point that out not to declare the Big East the best conference, but just to refute the idea that they are overrated.

There is only one Conference that is overrated and that is the ACC. The simple reason is because they are style, not substance. When it comes to grinding games, they struggle. The Big East has that from day one in Conference play that the top teams in the ACC just don't see.

I was watching Villanova play earlier in the season, and they struggled, but turned it on by stepping up the tempo. I wondered why they didn't play that way all game. The realization hit me that they can't. They simply don't have that luxury the way the top teams in the ACC do. The Big East has so much more defensive depth than the ACC does. North Carolina can play like Carolina all season and Duke can do it and everyone can do it, because even when they play the top teams in the conference, they are playing against defense not as good as the middle teams in the Big East.

Just want to throw it in, but second most underrated Conference (behind the pac10) is the Big Ten. Much more improved this season and stylistically, more suited for the Tournament than the ACC.
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Well, some of my reasoning for this statement is ESPN started in at the beginning of the year with how this could be the best conference we have ever seen and how great it is. But when I start looking at the Big East out of conference I am not terribly impressed with what they have done.

UConn's best wins are against Miami, @Wisconsin, and Gonzaga.
Pitt's best and only win really worth mentioning is @Florida St.
Syracuse has beaten the Gators, Kansas, and Memphis but they lost to freakin' Cleveland.
Louisville has beaten Kentucky and lost to UNLV, Minnesota, and Western Kentucky all of which will likely be unranked come Monday.
Marquette has lost to Dayton and Tennessee and beaten Wisconsin.
Georgetown beat Memphis and lost to Tennessee and Duke.
Notre Dame beat Texas and lost to Carolina and Ohio State.
Villanova has lost its only game of note to Texas.

Wake has beaten Baylor and became the first road team to win at BYU in a couple of years.
Duke hammered Purdue at Purdue, hammered Xavier and beat Georgetown without too much trouble. Their only hiccup was against Michigan.
Carolina beat Kentucky, Notre Dame, hammered Michigan State. Granted the BC loss is a horrible one.
Clemson's best wins are @Illinois and South Carolina.
FSU has beaten Cincy, Cal, Florida, and Western Kentucky.

For what it is worth the RPI rankings have the conferences rated:

1. ACC
2. Big Ten
3. Big East

There just is not a game I can point to that involved a Big East team that blew me away. They have pretty much lost most of their marquee games this year. It just feels like the only big games Big East teams have won this year is against each other. Whereas you can look the ACC and find games where their top dogs knocked off some of the better teams other conferences have to offer.
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But, you see that every year. I don't think this is anything new that the Big East has unimpressive out of conference results and the ACC does. Then, you get to Tournament time and you see the reverse happen. That's been the case in the past few years.

The main reason for it is that offense stands out and can win games in the regular season, but the toughest teams and the teams who play the best defense are going to win in the Tournament. It happens a lot because teams who have defense as their strength take longer to get their offense where it needs to be.

The Big East is stacked with those types of teams and the ACC is not.

Every year this seems to happen. For teams in the ACC they need marquee non-conference games. And, really, from your list, you can scratch FSU, Wake Forest and Clemson because none of what you said about those three should really go on the impressive list.

Duke beating Purdue and Georgetown, well, frankly, Duke SHOULD beat Georgetown. Duke is a better team than Georgetown is. Georgetown is in a rebuilding year and will probably finish around 5-8 in the Big East. They'll spring some nice wins, but ultimately, I don't know if this is a year where they contend.

And, also, let me use your example of Duke beating Georgetown. 2 years ago, no one would call Duke a better team than Georgetown at the end of the season. Georgetown to the Final Four. Duke out in the first round. Duke beat G'Town that year.

I'm not saying that the regular season is meaningless. It's just that the meaning of the regular season is to put yourself into a situation where you are the best team possible in the Tournament. And, again, defense reigns there and the Big East has that in droves compared to the ACC.

I'm not saying Duke or UNC can't make Final Four runs. And, Duke plays pretty good defense, not near the level that some of the Big East teams play, but with the offense that they have, they are a good team. It's just that they aren't going to get challenged as much as the Big East teams will and in the long run, I think that has made the Big East more ready for the Tournament and the recent past has seen that play out.
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