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Old 04-10-2007, 02:26 PM   #16
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N_GGER - People that annoy you.

So whats the issue? He has the right to say what he wants. His employer has the right to terminate his employment if they believe what he says poorly represents them.

People say ignorant things all the time.
Exactly. Well put Stealth...
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Old 04-10-2007, 02:47 PM   #17
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Is this over your head inthenet?
The hypocrisy on this thread simply astounds me. Rap music, pornographic material, comedian routines, and all manner of media out in public display makes racist comment far more ugly that that issued by Imus or any of the others that have been hooked by this new politically-correct process that somehow seperates and draws distinction.

I recall when the Rev. Al Sharpton took Tawana Brawley's case in 1987; she was the girl that falsely accused white men of hurting her. Apologies never came. Later in 2006 three Duke University Lacrosse Players suffered from the same false charges. Apologies have yet to be issued there. Rev. Al Sharpton was out in front with false accusations there too.

Yet somehow politically-correct proponents seperate and draw distinction between real cases of racism and free speech.

Curious that.
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Yet somehow politically-correct proponents seperate and draw distinction between real cases of racism and free speech.
Show me one person who said he shouldn't be allowed to say what he said.
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Old 04-10-2007, 02:51 PM   #19
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why aren't they crying out about rap that bashes women of all colors?
I think someone needs to point out that rap music found on the radio and on television stations like MTV is broadcasted in censorship form, and because of lyrical content, a majority of rap albums must carry an RIAA-required parental advisory sticker. Also, the world's largest retailer Wal-Mart only sells censored or edited CDs, and the company is notorious for banning CDs from particular artists.

Rap artists are heavily censored and face far more scrutiny than Don Imus ever will...
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I think someone needs to point out that rap music found on the radio and on television stations like MTV is broadcasted in censorship form, and because of lyrical content, a majority of rap albums must carry an RIAA-required parental advisory sticker. Also, the world's largest retailer Wal-Mart only sells censored or edited CDs, and the company is notorious for banning CDs from particular artists.

Rap artists are heavily censored and face far more scrutiny than Don Imus ever will...
Good point.
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Old 04-10-2007, 04:38 PM   #21
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I think someone needs to point out that rap music found on the radio and on television stations like MTV is broadcasted in censorship form, and because of lyrical content, a majority of rap albums must carry an RIAA-required parental advisory sticker. Also, the world's largest retailer Wal-Mart only sells censored or edited CDs, and the company is notorious for banning CDs from particular artists.

Rap artists are heavily censored and face far more scrutiny than Don Imus ever will...
Exactly, it is censored because it is disrespectful to themselves, and human dignity.

As far as Imus,...he has always been a fool saying alarming things that CKFresh's MSNBC never made a peep about. But only because this liberal's recent stupid comment, MSNBC wants to look like they never really knew IMUS! BULL!
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Exactly, it is censored because it is disrespectful to themselves, and human dignity.

As far as Imus,...he has always been a fool saying alarming things that CKFresh's MSNBC never made a peep about. But only because this liberal's recent stupid comment, MSNBC wants to look like they never really knew IMUS! BULL!
You think Imus is a liberal? I know he is on some issues, but he is also conservative on a lot of things.
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Rap artists are heavily censored and face far more scrutiny than Don Imus ever will...
Okay Toby... fair point. However, being "heaviliy censored" means that what they are selling merits censor before release. Consider intent here, in relation to the rap artists. What is it they are selling? Do they have free license to say whatever they wish yet exceptions made for others?

A political pundit summarizes this morning exactly what the rap world is putting out on the radio and on commerical CD-ROMs, I urge you to scan this link (to her column) and read a few of the lyrics she reprints. Much of it makes what Imus said appear saintly in comparison. Most of it I can't even cite here on this Discussion Board.

So what you say is correct tobynosker; much of the rap music is censored, but some bad stuff is allowed. My point is intent here. Is it time to add the same scrutiny that codemns others; i.e., Imus et al., to the rap world? Secondly, do the African American Reverends and leaders of the community, Jackson, Sharpton et al., have anthing to say about the music business?
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Many people criticize the rap industry on a daily basis. They are currently under attack. But people keep buying the music. What do you suggest we do about "bad lyrics" in rap music? If the music is made by adults, and purchased by adults, there is no problem, we have that right. If children are buying the music, it is the fault of the parents. That's what we need to address, poor parenting. I'm sure your kids do not listen to that IntheNet, you are able to keep them away from such things.

I guess my point is, what's your point? They have a right to make that music, and we have the right to buy it, or not. What is your solution?
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Old 04-11-2007, 10:28 AM   #25
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A political pundit summarizes this morning exactly what the rap world is putting out on the radio and on commerical CD-ROMs, I urge you to scan this link (to her column) and read a few of the lyrics she reprints. Much of it makes what Imus said appear saintly in comparison. Most of it I can't even cite here on this Discussion Board.
Those questionable lyrics that she posts are not being aired on the radio, and will only be heard by purchasing the actual album which does feature an RIAA-required parental advisory sticker on the front.

For example, in the song "This is Why I'm Hot" from Mims, the words "b*tch" and "n*gga" that she posts on her website are never aired on the radio. Those words are edited out of the radio released single, and any version of the song that is not edited and aired on the radio would be subject to FCC fines.

Also, the "official video" that your political pundit posts from YouTube is not the "official video" that is found on television stations like BET and MTV.
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Old 04-11-2007, 10:40 AM   #26
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yall are making sound arguments, but you are comparing apples and oranges.

Imus used the wrong words to express himself. happens all the time in public forums. The issue is that there are people whose PROFESSION it is to exploit these errors (Jesse Jackson, et al).
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Imus used the wrong words to express himself. happens all the time in public forums. The issue is that there are people whose PROFESSION it is to exploit these errors
That's a good point. If anyone wants to take issue with the uproar about all this, they should take issue with whoever employs Imus, and suspended him. No one is saying Imus shouldn't be allowed to say whatever he wants. I think we all support his right to free speech. It was his employer that made the decision to suspend him because they didn't want to accept that type of language. If you don't like rap music, don't support the companies that employ the artists. This is really a NON-issue in my book.
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Those questionable lyrics that she posts are not being aired on the radio, and will only be heard by purchasing the actual album which does feature an RIAA-required parental advisory sticker on the front...
Toby: I guess I was speaking about the larger point here, as was the link I cited. The nation reacts aghast about what Imus says, as does the Rutgers basketball team, and the media. Calls for his firing are urged.

Yet, words legions times worse are heard every day and ignored. You cite above and seem to suggest that such lyrics are acceptable if so labeled.

My point, as I said, is larger. How can society condemn someone like Imus, and demand his firing, if not, in the same breath, we are condemning all instances of such racism. In my opipnion, there exists some double-standard that media such as rap music can advance racism but not radio jocks. I know you don't agree with that, but I do. If we want to move to a better society we need to confront racism where ever it exists, not give it a pass because someone can slap a label on it and get it approved.
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My point, as I said, is larger. How can society condemn someone like Imus, and demand his firing, if not, in the same breath, we are condemning all instances of such racism.
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PEOPLE CONDEMN RAP MUSIC EVERY DAY! What do you suggest we do? If people want to buy, so be it. If you don't like, speak out against it and don't buy it.

What is your point, what do you want to be done?
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Toby: I guess I was speaking about the larger point here, as was the link I cited. The nation reacts aghast about what Imus says, as does the Rutgers basketball team, and the media. Calls for his firing are urged.
People are shocked by Don Imus' comment because it was unpleasant, objectionable and carried with it some strong, racial overtones. But even the majority of people I have heard that found Imus' comment offensive, including myself, are not asking for his firing. They are happy with a suspension, and are ready to move on.


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Yet, words legions times worse are heard every day and ignored. You cite above and seem to suggest that such lyrics are acceptable if so labeled.
Never once have I suggested that objectionable rap lyrics are acceptable.

I am simply pointing out the fact that those rap lyrics in question are not allowed to be heard on the radio, are not allowed to be said on television, and the album's containing those lyrics must carry with them a parental advisory sticker. The word "ho" is actually edited out of any rap song containing that word that wishes to be played on the radio or on television.

Those rappers who use objectifying and degrading lyrics in their music are not being allowed to use the airwaves without being censored. And much like those rappers, Don Imus should also not be allowed to use objectifying and degrading words on his talk show.


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In my opipnion, there exists some double-standard that media such as rap music can advance racism but not radio jocks. I know you don't agree with that, but I do.
But, I think it is also misleading to suggest that rappers are getting away with something Don Imus is not when using the same medium. It's untrue, and there is no double-standard.

As I mentioned before, rap artists can not spout objectifying and degrading lyrics on the radio, and Don Imus should not be allowed to, either.
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