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Old 06-09-2010, 10:43 PM   #1
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Default Conference Shakeup: Death of Big 12?

Sources: All signs point to Nebraska to Big Ten - ESPN

Looks like Nebraska is joining the Big 10. This is all a money grab and could spell the end of the Big 12, creating several super-conferences.

Meanwhile, the Pac-10 could soon become the Pac-16: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5270048 Sigh ... the Pacific Coast conference should be only teams on the Pacific Coast...

Good or bad moves? I am very opposed to this and think schools shouldn't be allowed to switch conferences on a whim.
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Old 06-10-2010, 04:21 AM   #2
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We survived the demise of the Southwest Conference just fine - now didn't we?

Maybe the "Pac-16" will form four 4-team divisions, and have two rounds of conference playoffs!

Probably not - but I say why not?

If the NFL can have 18 games - and they will ...
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Meanwhile, the Pac-10 could soon become the Pac-16: Source: Pac-10 Conference poised to invite 6 Big 12 Conference teams - ESPN Sigh ... the Pacific Coast conference should be only teams on the Pacific Coast...
Meh, Arizona is not a coastal state as it is...

It could lead to the collapse of the Big East as well as the Big Ten is looking at growing to at least 14 teams with Pitt and Rutgers on the short list of teams they are looking at adding.

There is some speculation that if the Big 12 collapses and the Big 10 succeeds in poaching some Big East teams that it will lead to the rest of the Big East being absorbed by the Big 10 and ACC or possibly the SEC.
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Maybe the "Pac-16" will form four 4-team divisions, and have two rounds of conference playoffs!

Probably not - but I say why not?
Chances are pretty slim that will happen. The NCAA are the ones who came up with the rule that conferences had to have 12 teams to hold a championship game and would likely have to sign off on such a thing.
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I vote for YES DO IT!!!! First step in getting an NCAA college football playoff!!
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Chances are pretty slim that will happen. The NCAA are the ones who came up with the rule that conferences had to have 12 teams to hold a championship game and would likely have to sign off on such a thing.

The rule is actually "at least 12," as no conference (until now, maybe) has ever had more than 12 teams (in football).

And what about (regular-season) scheduling - and other sports, most notably basketball?

Something like this would make a great deal of sense:


Northwest Division: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State

California Division: Cal, Stanford, UCLA, USC

Mountain Division: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Texas Tech

Central Division: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas A&M, Texas


For basketball, each team keeps its home-and-home within the division, and plays everyone else once. That's 18 conference games - same as many conferences play now.

For football, the division rivals continue to meet every year (preserving the annual Cal-Stanford "Big Game," etc.), while entire divisions are paired off against one another on a rotating basis, as in the NFL, then there are two games against one of the other two divisions. That's nine conference games, with every-other-year meetings for all non-division teams (and two-thirds of all pairs of teams in the same division getting eight common opponents, the rest seven - thus allowing common-opponent record to be used as the third tie-breaker, after head-to-head and record within the division, if there was a three-way tie within the same division).

And did you know that from 1969 through 1992, the National League in MLB in effect had four three-team divisions for scheduling purposes? The Mets, Phillies and Expos always went on the West Coast at the same time, and hosted the West Coast teams - the Dodgers, Giants and Padres - at the same time, with the Cubs, Cardinals and Pirates also visiting and hosting the West Coast teams concomitantly, and the Braves, Reds and Astros doing the same (with the Cubs/Cardinals/Pirates and Braves/Reds/Astros playing each other at the same time the Mets/Phillies/Expos were playing the Dodgers/Giants/Padres). In the AL the assignments were more fluid, due to franchises moving (the Seattle Pilots becoming the Milwaukee Brewers and the Washington Senators becoming the Texas Rangers) and the 1977 expansion (the NL not expanding until 1993).

Finally, even if an extra round of playoffs was not authorized by the NCAA, you could merely have the two division winners with the best (conference) records meet in the title game (the other two could play each other as well - and if a national championship playoff ever becomes a reality, in some years that matchup might be even more important than the title game since a berth in the presumably 16-team playoff field may be on the line).

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The mistake you are making here is assuming that the NCAA does anything that makes a lick of sense. They have the current bowl system in place because it makes their member schools far more money than a playoff would. They do whatever makes the most fiscal sense and not what is best for the players or the fan base.

They don't even have continuity between the different divisions with the same sports.

Aside from your proposition the Pac-10 claims it has no interest in staging a conference championship game and is actually planning on lobbying for two automatic BCS bids one to each team who wins their division within the conference.
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But if the Pac 10/16 asks for an automatic BCS bid for both of its two division winners, won't all the other conferences with divisions demand the same thing?

Actually that might not be such a bad thing - as with so many automatic bids, there would almost have to be a real playoff to accomodate them all.
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Looking more and more like the remaining 10 teams are staying put. Thanks to a new tv deal in the Big XII.
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But if the Pac 10/16 asks for an automatic BCS bid for both of its two division winners, won't all the other conferences with divisions demand the same thing?

Actually that might not be such a bad thing - as with so many automatic bids, there would almost have to be a real playoff to accomodate them all.
Well, that is assuming that the NCAA/BCS even grants such a request and there is no guarantee they would do so. Giving a conference two automatic bids means nothing in terms of getting closer to a playoff. It just means the Pac-10 would get two BCS bowl teams.

My guess is if the Pac-10 were granted such a request it would be done so with the stipulation that only conferences with two eight team divisions would be eligible to make such a request in the future.

There is no guarantee that they would even entertain it to begin with. Turning down such a request from the Pac-10 gives the BCS more flexibility with its at-large bids opening up opportunities for teams who may not have otherwise had a chance to get a BCS bid and keeping Congress off its back.
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But what would happen if the number of "automatic bids" ever reached a nice, convenient number like 8 or 12 or 16?

It is interesting, though, that I actually don't agree with the argument that would fuel any action by Congress - namely, that the present setup is "unfair" to schools in the current non-BCS conferences (e.g., Boise State). My solution would be to give them their own postseason tournament, or simply make them eligible for the FCS (formerly Division I-AA) tournament.
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Anthony are you really proposing a NIT like tournament for D1 college football teams? Come on dude?
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That is kind of what it sounds like. If anything that would just piss more people off than appease them. The whole reason folks get bent out of shape is because the BCS tends to exclude teams like TCU and Boise who have good enough records to be in the championship mix but ultimately treat them like second class citizens.
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A far better analogy than the NIT is boxing's cruiserweight division, since that's exactly what these programs (Boise State, Marshall, Fresno State, etc.) are - cruiserweights.
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A far better analogy than the NIT is boxing's cruiserweight division, since that's exactly what these programs (Boise State, Marshall, Fresno State, etc.) are - cruiserweights.
Dude, programs like Marshall and Fresno are not even in Boise and TCU's league right now. Boise and TCU are teams that consistently finish top 10 and top 15 in the country. Boise and TCU have both finished in the top 12 in the BCS standings the last two years. This is not about programs that are fringe top 25 teams on a regular basis.

Ask Oregon and Oklahoma if Boise is a "cruiserweight" program. Over the last four years Boise has proven they can run with the big dogs in college football which is why the Mountain West grabbed them and why the Pac-10 was considering extending an invitation to them.
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