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Old 06-03-2008, 11:23 AM   #1
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Hillary Clinton will concede tonight.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24944453/

Barack Obama becomes the first African American to secure either party's nomination for president.

Whether you agree with him or not, it is a great day for America.

While we still have a long way to go in terms of race relations, a black nominee for president demonstrates how far we have come since Dr. King's dream.
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Old 06-03-2008, 12:21 PM   #2
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Hmm, I guess nobody has told her campaign manager then:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080603/...n_mcauliffe_dc
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Well, if you read the story I linked, it says that she will not "officially concede," but for all intents and purposes, she is conceding.

It's like when the Reds are trailing by 6 runs and they put Josh Fogg in the game... They don't forfeit the game, but they concede the loss...
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Old 06-03-2008, 04:16 PM   #4
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In other news concerning the Obama Campaign...

Poll: Obama has edge over McCain

(CNN) – On the same day Barack Obama could clinch the Democratic nomination for president, a new poll out Tuesday shows the Illinois senator holds a slight lead over presumptive Republican nominee John McCain among likely voters nationwide.

The new USA Today/Gallup survey shows the Illinois senator with a 5 point advantage over McCain among likely voters, 49 percent to 44 percent. That margin is just outside the poll's 4 point margin of error, meaning Obama appears to hold a slight advantage over the Arizona senator with five months remaining until voters weigh in at the polls.

The survey shows Hillary Clinton also leads McCain, though with a margin that is just with the poll's sampling error. According to the survey, the New York senator bests McCain by 4 points, 48 percent to 44 percent.

A similar poll conducted by USA Today/Gallup last month showed John McCain beating both candidates — a potential sign the ongoing Democratic presidential race has not hurt the party's chances in November.
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It will be a great day for America when a poor/middle class person is on the ballot. Dr. King's dream was rooted in economic equality moreso than religious or racial equality.

Until a person who represents a decent percentage of the population in terms of economic class is nominated...Dr. King's dream will still be a dream and not reality.

Today is nothing to celebrate. The rich continue to rule the poor.
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Precisely. No matter who wins the election this fall, little will change in Washington. Cronyism will continue to be the norm.
I will vote for none of the above and do so proudly.
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Team Obama has just won the pennant.

Too bad for them - if not necessarily for the country - that they're going to lose the World Series in five games.
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It will be a great day for America when a poor/middle class person is on the ballot. Dr. King's dream was rooted in economic equality moreso than religious or racial equality.

Until a person who represents a decent percentage of the population in terms of economic class is nominated...Dr. King's dream will still be a dream and not reality.

Today is nothing to celebrate. The rich continue to rule the poor.
Didn't Bill Clinton come from nothing to become president?

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Too bad for them - if not necessarily for the country - that they're going to lose the World Series in five games.
Would you like to make a wager on that one Anthony? Perhaps and avatar challenge or something of the sort?
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It doesn't really matter what the social background of a candidate is. What matters is his agenda. A candidate from the middle-class would be just as likely as any "elite" to hold essentially the same views--that is, one of the two views available--the conservative and liberal view. It's not like all political opinions fall in line according to class status. You can get a lower-middle class guy with a ballcap and a beer who is way more conservative than the upper-class, aristocratic "liberal".

That is...unless what you're really calling for is not an opening up of the electoral process, but a wide-scale revolt of the proletariat and an overthrowing of the government....
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That is...unless what you're really calling for is not an opening up of the electoral process, but a wide-scale revolt of the proletariat and an overthrowing of the government....
"Democracy is the road to socialism."

"Let the ruling classes tremble at a communist revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win. Workingmen of all countries, unite!"

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It does not necessarily matter where you came from it is who you are when you get there. Lots of folks change their outlook on life when they have more to lose.

But, I think buck's point relates more to the fact that the guy with the most money to spend typically ends up winning and in order to raise the most money you have to get in bed with the rich elite and corporate America in order to raise enough cash to even consider running for elected office.

Whoever gets elected, whether it be Obama or McCain I can promise you the middle class will not gain representation in the administration by way of holding positions in the administration those jobs all go to the folks who ponied up the most dough for the campaign or who held high ranking positions within the campaign.
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It does not necessarily matter where you came from it is who you are when you get there. Lots of folks change their outlook on life when they have more to lose.

But, I think buck's point relates more to the fact that the guy with the most money to spend typically ends up winning and in order to raise the most money you have to get in bed with the rich elite and corporate America in order to raise enough cash to even consider running for elected office.

Whoever gets elected, whether it be Obama or McCain I can promise you the middle class will not gain representation in the administration by way of holding positions in the administration those jobs all go to the folks who ponied up the most dough for the campaign or who held high ranking positions within the campaign.
I fully understand that and agree.

It goes back to the reason I am a Democrat over Republican - the lesser of two evils. We'd all love to see a more perfect system, that has equal access to power for all. But it's an idealistic pipe dream.

You can do more good from within the system than from outside.

It's quite clear that Democrats are better for the middle class and underpriviledged. Are they perfect? No. But certainly better than the Republicans.
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This is the sense of proportion I wish I saw from you in foreign affairs, CK!

And anyway, I do not think that is what Buck is saying at all...but we'll let him clear it up himself if he so wishes when he gets here.

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This is the sense of proportion I wish I saw from you in foreign affairs, CK!

And anyway, I do not think that is what Buck is saying at all...but we'll let him clear it up himself if he so wishes when he gets here.

I know, I don't think buck and I speak the same language...

He must be speaking "OLD" English. (pun intended)
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Government of the people, by the people, for the people...

Shouldn't our reps be somewhat like a majority of the people they represent?

Sure, it has never been that way but it would be nice...wouldn't it?

All I'm saying is that economic/social class is the main factor in determining someone's outlook on life...IMO.

All our presidents have a college degree when up until 20-25 years ago...hardly anyone had a college degree.

How the hell does that make sense?

Race is so arbitrary in the face of money...especially nowadays. I'm not saying Obama could have got the nod 50 years ago but money makes you forget about the "other" things: other skin color/other religion.

So again...let me know when someone who is currently middle class or poor is even allowed to run. Or someone without a college degree. Those are bigger factors...much bigger...than race.
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