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Old 11-07-2002, 11:53 PM   #1
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Michigan lowers self-imposed boom on hoops program

By Steve Wieberg, USA TODAY

The legacy of Michigan's celebrated Fab Five darkened considerably Thursday, when the school forfeited victories, said it would return $450,000 in postseason revenue and pulled its current basketball team from NCAA tournament consideration because of rules violations dating back to the 1990s.

"This is no excuse for what happened. It was wrong, plain and simple," Michigan President Mary Sue Coleman said. "This is a day of great shame for the university."

The violations revolved around a loosely connected booster, Ed Martin, who plied Fab Five star Chris Webber and other former players with more than $600,000 in illicit loans.

Stymied by a lack of cooperation by the principles, the school and the NCAA were able to pin down just three minor violations in their initial investigation. The more than 6-year-old case was reopened when details of the loans were included in a criminal indictment of Martin in March. Martin pleaded guilty to money-laundering charges in May.

An NCAA verdict awaits. Michigan turned over its report Thursday, and Michigan athletic director Bill Martin said it will seek a hearing "as soon as possible."

The association could consider Michigan's action sufficient or add to it. Self-imposed by the school:

- Forfeiting all games won while the four players were technically ineligible from the entire 1992-93 season and all seasons from fall 1995 to spring 1999.
- Removing four championship banners.
- Repaying to the NCAA some $450,000 in Big Ten-distributed postseason receipts.
- Barring the current Michigan team from either the NCAA tournament or NIT in March.
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Old 11-08-2002, 12:50 PM   #2
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Another probation, that players will have to endure, who had nothing to do with the violations! Good Job NCAA....keep up the great work!
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Maybe Webber should pay the NCAA. Or maybe the players who were playing who have now been deemed to be playing ineligibly during that time, who ended up getting degrees, should forfeit there degrees. Of course I'm not sure any of them really did get degrees. I know Howard did.

This couldnt reflect better on a wonderful group of individuals. This is said with all the sarcasm I could muster.

The FAB 5 now has a new name...................how about the Felon five..................or the Forfeit Five...............or the Fraudulent Five................it doesnt really matter I guess, there true character was shown quite some time ago.
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Ha ha ha ha! This is my favorite story in a long, long time.

Where is that Michigan fan that used to post here? Its not the same without having a Wolverine here to slap around.
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Old 11-08-2002, 09:24 PM   #5
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It's probably moreso amusing to an Ohio State fan, Rick...

This is a significant event, though -- it erases the most renowned/famous team in college basketball history. You can't just erase it ... even though they are going to anyway.
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Old 11-12-2002, 08:41 PM   #6
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Yes, that's going to hurt the program tremendously. I seriously doubt the NCAA will lower it's sanction's against the school if that's what they're looking for
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Marc, ummmmmmmm most famous team in history? They never even won a title.

Michigan isnt even on the list of all time great teams. You have to win at least one title to even be considerd great, much less historical.
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Poor choice of words, Mike, but the Fab Five team is one of the most popular teams in NCAA basketball history. Like three or four of those players went on to be NBA players (or stars).
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Well your right Marc, 3 of them did go on to play in the NBA. Webber, Howard and Rose. But I think only Webber could be classified as a star. The other 2 members of the fraudulent 5 were Ray Jackson and Jimmy King, who were not well rounded players at all and as there careers play out, it was shown they were overhyped, never even becoming excellent college players.

But take a look at the UCLA teams of the 60's and 70's. They had future NBA players up and down there roster for a decade. UNC of the early 80's that featured Jordan, Perkins and Worthy. University of Houston of the early 80's another team that never won a title. They had 3 first round picks on there team and 2 of them will be future HOFamers in Olajuwon and Drexler.

The fab 5 was a media creation that never did live up to the hype neither at the college level or really at the NBA level either.
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Well said.

Maybe the NCAA should look at some of those U of M football teams as well.
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Jimmy King and Ray Jackson weren't overhyped. They were solid players, especially as the 4th and 5th best players on a team. I don't think this is that significant at all, nothing is going to change with UMs recruiting. It was a decade ago.
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You said it right there Doug, they were solid players. IF they were that good then they would have deserved the attention THEY ALL got as the FAB 5. But King and Jackson were just that, only solid players. There are a couple 100 players every year playing major college basketball that are solid, but they didnt get the media hype that these guys got. They were overhyped.

I'm also not sure what you mean by this being not significant. Its very significant for the present players and coaches who have to suffer the misdeeds of these LOSERS that were there a decade before them.

Whether or not you know it. The goal of every major college basketball player is to play in the NCAA tourney. Yes they would like to win the conference, play in some pre season tournaments, travel...........but first and foremost, they want to be in the big dance. This very significant to someome like Blanchard who is a senior and has stuck thru tough times in this program only to know he has no post season to aim for in his final year. This goes for all the UM players. I would say it is pretty significant.

The overhyped Fraudulent 5 couldnt win it all in the overhyped days. But they will continue to help UM lose games now.
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There are alot of teams at that time that would have loved to have King and Jackson as the #2 and #3 players on their team.

This won't hurt them recruiting because they are only missing the dance this season. Look at Alabama in football, they could have packed it in, but are determined to make sure the best SEC team doesn't play in the Championship game.
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And the list of teams over the years who were greatly affected by probabtion is a long one. I dont care about future recruits, thye no the situation coming in. But the present players who are being affected by the indiscretions of a bunch of losers a decade before, that is significant. They do not deserve it, but yet have to suffer for it.
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Marc, ummmmmmmm most famous team in history? They never even won a title.

Michigan isnt even on the list of all time great teams. You have to win at least one title to even be considerd great, much less historical.
Yes they have won a National Championship! Look it up!
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