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Old 01-30-2004, 11:45 AM   #46
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Old 01-30-2004, 11:49 AM   #47
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Old 01-30-2004, 02:18 PM   #48
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This year's Super Bowl, and the games that have lead us to this point, make me question whether the NFL has an interest in competition.

I seem to believe that the NFL is a league with politics. Each year a champion is crowned. That champion will no doubt have a team charter, motto, or peculiar interest in the way the games are played on the field. This champion's success usually dictates the "game" for the next year. There are other influences that effect game play: offense and defense must be crafted to compete with those teams that demonstrate superiority. All-in-all, this year's game is, "Nothing works up the middle."

The rule, "Nothing works up the middle," is a game of NO OFFENSE for RUN-N-SHOOT football teams. The New England Patriots have decided to challenge this rule. Their MOTTO is something like this: "we might very well be a RUN-N-SHOOT football team, but our strength is our passing game." These guys have determined the best way to approach the season is to be aggressive and employ (at least part-time) a 3-4 defense ... one known for its agility, blitzing, and competitiveness. Carolina employs a 4-3 and "claims" to have no offense. (It seems to me the character of a panther to patiently wait for an opportunity to "punish" and then "kill" even to the point of conceding victory.)

Do you think the league will allow these two teams to play? I'm not sure. I'm wondering if the league is conveniently interested in crafted influences. It would be a much easier "game" next year to discover which RUN-N-SHOOT football team has an effective trait than it would be to consider the DICTATES OF A CAROLINA CHAMPION. This is a cumbersome ideology! I doubt very much that the league wants a rule set in place that DENIES effective traits from RUN-N-SHOOT football teams. I think this to be a STRIKE against the Carolina game. (Confused? I certainly am!)

I guess the question is ... how far does the league want to extend the on-the-field rule, "Nothing works up the middle?" We have rules to ensure fairness and the Carolina Panthers might not have a fair shot at winning. Consider the Panthers' charter: "we have no offense." In my opinion, that qualifies ANYTHING and EVERYTHING they DO do on "offense" as RUN-N-SHOOT philosophy! All-in-all, the rule is that Carolina SHOULD be ALLOWED to challenge that Patriots' "GAME". The key for the Panthers is their offensive play calling ... which sets will they be permitted to use by the (for the sake of argument, let's call it fictional) "rules committee." Do they use 4 and 5 wide receiver sets? do they use a version of the I-formation? Which formation will the Panthers be allowed to use to neutralize the Patriots' effectiveness?

Will the league allow the PATRIOTS' effectiveness to be challenged? That is SUPPOSED to be the game; "Nothing works up the middle!" I wonder if the league is interested in nothing more than a CLEAN spectacle and a New England victory. It would be an easy thing to allow a solid team like the Patriots to "pass" as Super Bowl champs. Is it in the script?

What is the script? A New England victory? or is the "script" the rules that the two teams are "required" to follow? The Carolina Panthers should be "allowed" to compete with the Patriots game because their MOTTO allows them to FUNCTION without penalty in a "RUN-N-SHOOT football world." Yes, I am concerned that WE will see no such thing on Super Bowl Sunday!

It is for you to decide. Do you think there is a game-within-the-game this year? Do you think it can be labeled, "Nothing works up the middle?" If so, do you think the rules of ineffective play will be extended to the Carolina team? If so, do you expect a PROFESSIONAL team like Carolina to be "out-coached"?


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Old 01-30-2004, 06:12 PM   #49
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I really hate the Patriots because they really burn me up. That is why I am going with the Cardiac Cats.
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I like the panthers with the spread.
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New England Patriots in a landslide
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Old 01-31-2004, 11:28 PM   #52
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Ego_Maniac, you've made some great posts in the short time you've been here. Welcome, and stick around! :tup:
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Old 02-01-2004, 09:32 AM   #53
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Thanks for the welcome, all ....

Wish my last post wasn't so wordy ... EGADS!!!!
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Old 02-01-2004, 05:35 PM   #54
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I should make my picks right now, so here it is. I like New England, they are a strong football team, but they've won how many games in a row now? 16? I think Carolina is going to shock a lot of people, and I am picking them to win this game 17-13. But then again, you give Bill Belichick two weeks to prepare for a game, it's a scary thought.
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There was too much calls going the Pats way. It is pathetic how the Pats won.
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Old 02-02-2004, 04:05 PM   #56
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I really wanted to see Carolina win that one. Jake Delhomme beat the Pats with his arm, something no one, including myself, thought he could do. Tom Brady is now officially the most overrated QB in the NFL. Anybody that wants to compare him to Joe Montana needs to think for a second. Watching the Pats win because of Kasay's screw up on the kick made me sick. I can't stand the Patriots anymore. There is just something about that team that makes me want to hate them.
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^^^eliminating the pre-game individual introductions...that's what I hate about them. I love Superbowl intros.
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Maybe, Alex, Jefe hit the nail on the head: you hate the team because they have no single individual worth hating unto himself.

And, blasting Brady just looks ludicrous. He completes passes and makes the plays that end games. What did Montana do? He completed passes and made the plays that end games. (And to a HOF-to-be receiver, no less)

I'm not ready to compare Brady to Montana just yet, because I think Brady has to play at this level for several more years. But, the accomplishments to this point can't be denied. If being a guy who (with one exception last night) plays a near flawless game game management-wise, and often otherwise as well, isn't what you want in a QB, your team won't go very far in this league.

I agree with Jefe that maybe it's time to bring back the individual intros in Super Bowls, but if teams don't want to do them, more power to them. And anyway, who besides Tom Brady and Ty Law is star-enough to truly deserve the stage. There was no one on the Panthers who deserved such a stage, till Delhomme and Smith proved they could be stars, when the leash is removed.

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Remember that due to last year's draft-day trade in which the Ravens traded up to get Kyle Boller, the Patriots will have two first-round picks in this coming draft (their own and Baltimore's). Four previous Super Bowl champions have had two first-round choices in the following spring's draft - and one of them repeated as Super Bowl champs that fall (the Packers in 1967), one got to the conference championship game (the Colts in 1971), and the other two didn't even make the playoffs (the Packers in 1968 and the Raiders in 1981).

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There was too much calls going the Pats way. It is pathetic how the Pats won.
This is the most ridiculous statement, well... outside of suspicion of game-fixing, anyway, that I've seen in regard to this Super Bowl.

I have FOUR calls that went against the Patriots that completely and wholly fly in the face of your suggestion, BBF1.

1. I thought the Ty Law defensive holding call was dubious at best. Law used his hands to measure Muhammed, and never impeded Muhammed's abilty to get downfield.

2. The offensive interference call against Troy Brown was similar in nature. Brown had his hand on Cousins, and extended his arm, but Brown's tag did nothing to further separate the two. Cousins had already taken a bad position, and Brown's "push-off" did nothing to increase the distance between them.

3. The Muhammed catch and fumble being ruled an incomplete pass was the second worst call of the game. Muhammed caught the ball, tucked it into his right arm, turned, and was hit (not exceedingly hard) by Ty Law. The ball squirted out, was recovered by Eugene Wilson. Because the ruling was made as it was, and the whistle blown, the play was made unreviewable, and shouldn't have been. Terrible officiating by the line judge.

4. Worst call of the game: Incompletion called of the obvious touchdown to Christian Fauria. Not even close. He had control. He had both feet down. It was a TD. The Pats let Hochuli and the back judge off the hook by scoring on the following play, but it was still an atrocious call, and one that deserves a penalty for the guy calling it. Even HBO's Inside the NFL spent time reviewing it.

Other than those four calls, I had a beef with the fourth-and-inches placement early in the game. Had Hochuli come from the review booth and told us that there was no indisputable evidence to suggest the spot was wrong, I would have bought it. But, he came back with an assertion that the spot was right, and I couldn't be convinced by any angle that that was the case.

Other than those five calls, the game was called fine and fair. I have no recollection whatever of feeling that the Pats gained anymore than a five yard advantage during the game by way of penalty, and to be sure, the Panthers didn't have a TD reception nor a fumble taken away by bad calls.

Not sure what bad calls you were seeing.

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