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Old 11-21-2007, 03:16 AM   #1
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Question Top 12 QBs 2007

Ah, November. And time for the annual Top 12 QBs thread. Those of you who've been on the boards for a long time know the drill, but this tradition began in 2002 with this post, inspired by a Peter King column on CNNSI.com. The other links to previous years are below:

2003 2004 2005 2006

For those who don't feel like following the links, the rules are pretty simple: List your Top 12 NFL quarterbacks right now. The guy has to have thrown at least half of his team's passes to be eligible.

That means David Garrard is eligible. So are Matt Schaub, Chad Pennington, Damon Huard, Joey Harrington, and Kurt Warner. I doubt anyone has Trent Edwards in the Top 12, but just in case -- he's eligible as I type this, but assuming that J.P. Losman throws at least 12 passes this Sunday, he won't be for long. I think we should use Losman for Buffalo.

Don't vote for Sage Rosenfels, Kellen Clemens, or Brodie Croyle, and definitely don't pick Michael Vick.

Last rule: please list your choices in order.

My Top 12:

1] Tom Brady
2] David Garrard
3] Peyton Manning
4] Tony Romo
5] Big Ben Roethlisberger
6] Brett Favre
7] Jeff Garcia
8] Derek Anderson
9] Jon Kitna
10] Donovan McNabb
11] Carson Palmer
12] Matt Hasselbeck

I'm very happy with the list itself -- not going to agonize about Hasselbeck over Drew Brees or Matt Schaub -- but I'm not sure about the order. I didn't know where to put Peyton. As high as 2nd? Somewhere around 6th or 7th? I also worry that Romo and Ben should be higher, and I'm sure some of you think I'm crazy for putting Garrard #2. But he's been having an amazing statistical season despite a receiving corps that suuuucks.

Also, has anyone seen enough of Joey Harrington this season to tell if he's really improved enough that we wouldn't be crazy for thinking about him at #12?

Anyway, my list is out there. Who else ya got?
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Old 11-21-2007, 04:19 AM   #2
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Brad - good job man. Wow... the way this season is going I honestly do not think there are even 12 QB's that qualify as "good". This year should have asterisks and be changed to top 5!! I like your #2 pick - Garrard is playing great football; he has enormous talent.

1. Tom Brady
2. Peyton Manning
3. Brett Favre
4. David Garrard
5. Carson Palmer
6. Jeff Garcia
7. Derek Anderson
8. Tony Romo
9. Ben Roethlisberger
10. Jay Cutler
11. Matt Schaub
12. Joey Harrington

Ok - so the top 5 on my list are just the best QB's in the NFL (except Garrard - but he gets tops 5 because I love the way he is playing right now).

The rest of the list is pretty much in order of talent. I see guys like Jeff Garcia playing well and doing great stuff with less talent than say.... Tony Romo.

I through Harrington on the list because I haven't given up on him yet...

Cutler has a great arm - I think he is going to be a good QB with time.

Matt Schaub is exciting to watch for some reason - maybe its just nice to see the Texans win some games? I don't know...

EDIT: Eli didn't make the list...
Nice job posting the 2006, 2005, 2004 threads. The 2005 thread made me laugh when I re-read it.
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Old 11-21-2007, 10:30 AM   #3
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Joey Harrington? Really? This is a guy who the only reason he is still the starter is because Byron Leftwitch has sucked even more. I could understand putting him on there if he had the Falcons near the top of the NFC. I am not sure how you take Harrington over Hasselbeck who has arguably been one of the top 4 or 5 QBs in the league the past 3 weeks.
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Eh... I guess I could of put Hasselbeck on the list... but its like comparing turds IMO - sure some are different but they all stink!
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Hasselbeck has not been that bad though. He is 7th in the league in TDs, yards, and rating. The 'Hawks just are not winning because of a lack of a running game and spotty defense. Since Holmgren decided Mike Martz might on to something and handed the offense over to Hasselbeck and started throwing the ball 40+ times a game the offense has been a lot more efficient.
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1Tom Brady
2.Peyton Manning
3. Brett Farve
4. Tony Romo
5. Ben Rothelisberger
6. Derek Anderson
7.Carson Palmer
8. David Garrard
9. Jay Cutler
10. Eli Manning
11. Matt Hasselbeck
12. Drew Brees
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Old 11-21-2007, 05:32 PM   #7
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My rough guess is...

1. Tom Brady
2. Peyton Manning
3. Brett Favre
4. Tony Romo
5. David Garrard
6. John Kitna
7. Derek Anderson
8. Drew Brees
9. Ben Roethlisberger
10. Eli Manning
11. Donovan McNabb
12. Matt Hasselbeck


Based not so much on stats, but who I'd rather have
quarterbacking my team right now.

I might alter it later, after thinking about it more.
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Old 11-24-2007, 05:55 PM   #8
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Eli Manning over Jeff Garcia? Really?
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Old 11-26-2007, 01:02 PM   #9
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After yesterday I don't know that I would even put Eli in my top 20. Is Eli capable of going wire to wire in a given season or is he just never left college and decides it is time to shut it down come the end of November?
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Yup... I sort of felt bad I forgot about him and left him off (again) and had guys like Harrington on... but now I am reminded why I didn't even think of him when making my list.
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Eli Manning over Jeff Garcia? Really?
Well...after yesterdays totally blown crap game against
Minnesota, I'd probably drop Eli down below Sage Rosenfels
and Josh McCown.

Thanks for letting Minnesota back IN IT, Eli.
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Through four responses, the totals are:

1] Tom Brady - 48
2] Peyton Manning - 43
3] Brett Favre - 37
4] David Garrard - 33
5] Tony Romo - 32
t6] Derek Anderson - 24
t6] Ben Roethlisberger - 24
8] Carson Palmer - 18
9] Jeff Garcia - 13
10] Jon Kitna - 11
11] Jay Cutler - 7
t12] Drew Brees - 6
t12] Eli Manning - 6


* Everyone put Brady first.
* I'm the only one who didn't have Manning second.
* I'm the only one who didn't have Favre third.
* Aloha is the only one who didn't put Romo fourth.
* Phil is the only one who didn't list Palmer.
* Major variance on Garcia and Kitna, both of whom were high on two ballots but left off from the other two.
* Phil really likes Drew Brees. He ranked Brees 8th, dmb put him 12th, and neither Aloha nor I listed him at all.
* All of us except Aloha listed Matt Hasselbeck, but we all had him 11th or 12th, so he missed the overall list.
* Eli Manning beat Donovan McNabb and Hasselbeck.

Anyone else care to chime in with a Top 12?

Sub-question: Who'd you rather have, Eli or Vince Young?
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1. Tom Brady
2. Peyton Manning
3. Carson Palmer
4. Derek Anderson
5. Brett Favre
6. David Garrard
7. Tony Romo
8. Ben Roethlisberger
9. Jay Cutler
10. Matt Hasselbeck
11. Donovan McNabb
12. Jason Campbell

I originally went with Anderson at #2 on the list, but decided to bump him down a little. In terms of just watching this year, it would be Anderson behind Brady, but past history from Manning and Palmer put them ahead slightly because of their track record. With Palmer, a lot of my ranking is based on potential. Like, if Palmer had a credible NFL head coach, where would he be? Marvin holds him down too much with his awful play calling.

Campbell at 12...I think he manages a game well, even though his stats aren't electric.
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Old 11-29-2007, 08:32 PM   #14
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Marvin holds him down too much with his awful play calling.
First of all, Marvin doesn't call the plays, the offensive coordinator does. Secondly, you really think the play calling in Cincinnati is bad? I watch them every week and I think they are pretty damn creative. The thing that has hurt Carson the most this season is the lack of a running game.

Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of things I don't like about Marvin (clock management, challenge history, some bad draft picks) but play calling is neither his responsibility or inadequate.
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The playcalling in Cincy is some of the worst that I've seen. What do you think is creative about it? It's just really really drab playcalling that often puts Palmer into bad situations where the opponent knows the throw is coming. Cincy plays their best football when they're from behind, which is not really a good thing.
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