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Old 11-22-2003, 03:47 AM   #1
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Question Top 12 QBs 2003

Last year we had a thread like this that got some good responses, so I'm bringing it back for this season.

List your Top 12 NFL quarterbacks right now. The guy has to have thrown at least half of his team's passes to be eligible. Some notable QBs who don't qualify are Chad Pennington, Tim Rattay, Brian Griese, and some guy named Vick.
Oh, and this is in order.

Mine:
1] Steve McNair
2] Peyton Manning
3] Brett Favre
4] Trent Green
5] Tom Brady
6] Jon Kitna
7] Brad Johnson
8] Matt Hasselbeck
9] Donovan McNabb
10] Daunte Culpepper
11] Jeff Garcia
12] Patrick Ramsey

It's tough at the bottom, but that's why this is interesting.
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Old 11-23-2003, 12:44 PM   #2
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Glad to see you rated Matt Hasselbeck. He's an underrated guy that has really taken a leadership role upon his shoulders this season and improved out of sight. Much more reliable and much, much more precise.

Hass has been a HUGE reason for Seattles relative success this season thus far.
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Old 11-23-2003, 05:32 PM   #3
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Where's Jake Delhomme?
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Old 11-23-2003, 09:47 PM   #4
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1) Peyton Manning
2) Steve McNair
3) Trent Green
4) Brad Johnson
5) Jon Kitna
6) Matt Hasselbeck
7) Daunte Culpepper
8) Marc Bulger
9) Brett Favre
10) Tom Brady
11) Aaron Brooks
12) Patrick Ramsey

If Jake Plummer is eligible, which I'm not sure if he is or not, I would place him right ahead of Johnson.
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Old 11-23-2003, 11:52 PM   #5
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1) Steve McNair
2) Peyton Manning
3) Tom Brady
4) Marc Bulger
5) Brett Favre
6) Trent Green
7) Daunte Culpepper
8) Donovan McNabb
9) Jon Kitna
10) Matt Hasselbeck
11) Brad Johnson
12) Aaron Brooks
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Old 11-24-2003, 12:50 AM   #6
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1) Peyton Manning
2) Steve McNair
3) Tom Brady
4) Daunte Culpepper
5) Trent Green
6) Marc Bulger
7) Brett Favre
8) Kerry Collins
9) Brad Johnson
10) Donovan McNabb
11) Quincy Carter
12) Drew Bledsoe
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Old 11-24-2003, 10:16 AM   #7
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Don't know if it changes anyone's list besides Cowboy22, but Jake Plummer is eligible. Tough call for me leaving him off my ballot. And Doug, Jake Delhomme is somewhere in the 20s, IMO. Didn't even give him serious consideration. Plummer, Brooks, and Bulger were the guys I felt bad leaving off. I think everyone has Bulger way too high, btw. He's been stinking it up for the last three weeks.

If I re-made my list after this weekend's games, I would bump Hasselbeck and McNabb ahead of Johnson. Those two are on fire, and Johnson has slowed down since his great start at the beginning of the season.
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Old 11-24-2003, 02:57 PM   #8
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Great list-u may need to add Tim Hasselbeck or did I miss that?
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Old 11-24-2003, 04:51 PM   #9
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Mcnair is almost everyone's #1 now, but last season he didn't make anyone's top 5. Mcnair's highest ranking last year in this poll was #7, and had I ranked, being the homer that I am I would have ranked him quite high.

Bledsoe was in everyone's top 5 last year, but this year Bledsoe is not even to be found. Just interesting to see guys rise and fall so much in one season.

1. Mcnair
2. Manning
3. Favre
4. Brady
5. Pennington...he will be the team's pass attempt leader at the end of season, so I broke the rule and put him on here
6. Trent Green
7. Brad Johnson
8. Hasselback
9. Mcnabb
10. Culpepper
11. Bulger
12. Kitna

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Old 11-24-2003, 05:50 PM   #10
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Before anyone else questions putting Bledsoe on the list, we need to remember that this is top 10 quarterbacks and nothing else. I still consider Drew Bledsoe as a franchise QB even though the team around him absolutely stinks. It's not his fault that Eric Moulds has a nagging groin injury and the fact that Josh Reed, who was supposed to replace Peerles Price, can't even catch a ball. And also, the fact that the Bills offensive line stinks as well.
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Old 11-25-2003, 06:47 AM   #11
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Someone's always ahead of the pack. Or at least lucky. Last year Heathen had Drew Bledsoe #9 and FlyersHockey8 had him #7. Unfortunately, neither of them ranked McNair in the Top 12 at all. If Merrill Hoge counts, though, he had McNair 4th. Next was me (7th), then The J and Greg Cosell (both 9th). I guess none of us is the next Ms. Cleo.

Of the five lists so far this year, everyone has Steve McNair and Peyton Manning sharing the top two spots. Brady, Favre, and Green seem to be next in line, though not necessarily in that order.

And not to go after Brian (even though he left off Jon Kitna and Matt Hasselbeck, which I think is nuts), but I think Bledsoe has been overrated from Day One. Certainly he's better with a healthy Moulds and a better offensive line, but I think he's a below-average starting QB at this point. I've never been sold on him, but now a lot of other people aren't, either. He wilts under pressure and doesn't seem to make anyone around him better.

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Old 11-25-2003, 08:39 AM   #12
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1. Steve McNair
2. Tom Brady
3. Peyton Manning
4. Trent Green
5. Brad Johnson
6. Matt Hasselbeck
7. Donovan McNabb
8. Duante Culpepper
9. Jon Kitna
10. Quincy Carter
11. Jake Delhomme
12. Brett Favre

Because Favre's been hurting, I have him ranked at #12. I actually think Green Bay is better off in that they are now less reliant on Favre and running the ball very well.

Having McNabb at #7 may be very temporary. I'm still waiting for him to show long-term consistency. He may at last be on his way to doing that. It's similar for Kitna, but he is showing that with a good team around him, he can be effective.
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Old 11-25-2003, 01:13 PM   #13
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i would have to put Trent Green at the top of the list with Peyton Manning. Both have really helped their team this season be successful.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Brad O.
And Doug, Jake Delhomme is somewhere in the 20s, IMO. Didn't even give him serious consideration.
He's 8-3, that doesn't count for anything? He's led some winning drives in those games.

How are you basing this list? Just off of stats?
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Old 11-26-2003, 08:25 AM   #15
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My personal list is based on how good I think quarterbacks are, and I don't think Delhomme is an above-average starting QB. Winning games certainly counts for something, but NFL teams have a minimum of 24 players who are key to each game, and I'm not going to elevate a guy I'm not impressed by because his team wins. Sure, Delhomme's a step up from Chris Weinke and Rodney Peete, but he's a step down from Jay Fiedler or Quincy Carter, IMO. Where's Delhomme on your list, Doug? Who's in your top 12?
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