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Old 04-06-2002, 03:02 AM   #1
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I thought I would post a debate about future Hall of Famers in Major Leauge Baseball.

Let's start with Greg Maddux. 257 career wins, 3551 career innings, 102 complete games, 33 career shutouts. All HOF numbers. I think we can all agree Maddux is a first-balloter.

Roger Clemens-280 career wins, 3891 innings, 3721 K's, 3.11 ERA. Again, no argument here.

Randy Johnson, Barry Bonds, Larry Walker, Tom Glavine, Trevor Hoffman, Rafael Palmerio, Robbie Alomar, Alex Rodriguez, Mike Piazza, Sammy Sosa and Fred McGriff are all also futre HOFers, all of them are not first ballot though.

Here is a list that still has some questions-

Kevin Brown- Up until two years ago, Brown was one of the top pitchers in baseball. Since then, as we all know, he has been plauged by injury. When on his game his stuff is nearly unhittable. His sinker is maybe the best in the game, when he's healthy. Bottom line, he's 37, he's gotta have a big year this year and for the next two years. I don't think Brownie will make it though, he is just too banged up. We all know age doesn't matter, alla Johnson, Clemens, Schilling etc.

Frank Thomas- He's 34 with 348 career home runs and 1194 RBI's, pretty good. He missed all of last season but is back healthy this year and is ready to go back to being Frank Thomas. Even if he only hits 30 HR's each year for the next four years ( which isn't bad), he'll still end up with 460 career dingers, HOF worthy. He's got a .319 career batting average and IMO, will definatley make it.

Edgar Martinez- He said he'll play two more years, which doesn't help his run at the Hall. His numbers don't really show it but the fact that he is the definition of the DH does. He has been such a good consistant hitter over the past decade, that will get him in.

Ken Griffey Jr.- Griff's 33 with 460 career bleacher bombs, he's probably a good bet. If he has a good year this year and gets abck to his old self and continues it for the next 5 or six years, he'll break Aarons ( or shoudl I say Bonds') record for home runs and be a definate first ballot HOFer. Easy one.


Guys like Chipper Jones, Andruw Jones, Gary Sheffield, Todd Helton, Mike Mussinia, Jeff Bagwell, Manny Rameriez, Derek Jeter, Troy Glaus, Garret Anderson, Jason Giambi, Luis Gonzalez and Nomar Garciaparra will all get it IF THEY CONTINUE TO PUT UP GOOD NUMBERS.


And then of course, there's Pedro Martinez. He is 29 years old, he has 132 career wins, 1958 career strikeouts and 1696 career innings. Pedro has been hurt, that's not good, but he says he's healthy so..... Anyway, if Pedro continues his tear on the MLB, he'll wind up with over 300 wins, 3,000 innings and might even make a run at Nolan Ryans K record. It's too early to tell, it's all about if's, we all know what Pedro can do, the question is, can he stay healthy?
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Let's start with Greg Maddux. 257 career wins, 3551 career innings, 102 complete games, 33 career shutouts. All HOF numbers. I think we can all agree Maddux is a first-balloter.

Roger Clemens-280 career wins, 3891 innings, 3721 K's, 3.11 ERA. Again, no argument here.

Randy Johnson, Barry Bonds, Larry Walker, Tom Glavine, Trevor Hoffman, Rafael Palmerio, Robbie Alomar, Alex Rodriguez, Mike Piazza, Sammy Sosa and Fred McGriff are all also futre HOFers, all of them are not first ballot though.
I agree with most of those, but in my opinion Trevor Huffman, Rafael Palmero, and Fred McGriff will NEVER make the hall of fame. Barry Bonds is definitly first ballot. He's the best player in baseball today.

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Here is a list that still has some questions-

Kevin Brown- Up until two years ago, Brown was one of the top pitchers in baseball. Since then, as we all know, he has been plauged by injury. When on his game his stuff is nearly unhittable. His sinker is maybe the best in the game, when he's healthy. Bottom line, he's 37, he's gotta have a big year this year and for the next two years. I don't think Brownie will make it though, he is just too banged up. We all know age doesn't matter, alla Johnson, Clemens, Schilling etc.

Frank Thomas- He's 34 with 348 career home runs and 1194 RBI's, pretty good. He missed all of last season but is back healthy this year and is ready to go back to being Frank Thomas. Even if he only hits 30 HR's each year for the next four years ( which isn't bad), he'll still end up with 460 career dingers, HOF worthy. He's got a .319 career batting average and IMO, will definatley make it.

Edgar Martinez- He said he'll play two more years, which doesn't help his run at the Hall. His numbers don't really show it but the fact that he is the definition of the DH does. He has been such a good consistant hitter over the past decade, that will get him in.

Ken Griffey Jr.- Griff's 33 with 460 career bleacher bombs, he's probably a good bet. If he has a good year this year and gets abck to his old self and continues it for the next 5 or six years, he'll break Aarons ( or shoudl I say Bonds') record for home runs and be a definate first ballot HOFer. Easy one.
The only one who wil make it from that list is Jumior and POSSIBLY Edgar.

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Guys like Chipper Jones, Andruw Jones, Gary Sheffield, Todd Helton, Mike Mussinia, Jeff Bagwell, Manny Rameriez, Derek Jeter, Troy Glaus, Garret Anderson, Jason Giambi, Luis Gonzalez and Nomar Garciaparra will all get it IF THEY CONTINUE TO PUT UP GOOD NUMBERS.
Jeter is a lock. Nomar is almost sure fire. And a good argument for Jason Giambi could be made when he hangs it up. Ramierez has got talent. The rest are good players, but not Hall of Famers. Garrett Anderson? C'mon. If he makes it in, Babe Ruth's bust will grow legs and leave.

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And then of course, there's Pedro Martinez. He is 29 years old, he has 132 career wins, 1958 career strikeouts and 1696 career innings. Pedro has been hurt, that's not good, but he says he's healthy so..... Anyway, if Pedro continues his tear on the MLB, he'll wind up with over 300 wins, 3,000 innings and might even make a run at Nolan Ryans K record. It's too early to tell, it's all about if's, we all know what Pedro can do, the question is, can he stay healthy?
He should make it in just solely on what he has done. Stats arent everything. He has been the most dominating pitcher I can ever remember seeing.

I also think Omar Vizquel has a very good chance at getting in. Ozzie Smith making it in this year is a good sign for him.

AND YOU FORGOT RICKY!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 04-06-2002, 01:03 PM   #3
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Ya but I consder Rickey retired already, he he.

About Hoffman, Palmerio and McGriff, you think they'll never make the HOF? C'mon Rickey, Crime Dog has a lifetime .287 hitter, 448 career home runs, 1401 career RBI's and 2262 career hits, those are HOF numbers if you ask me. You're right about Hoffman, he is a great pitcher, but just won't make it. As for Palmerio, I completely disagree with you here, he, like McGriff has 448 career dingers, 1474 career RBI's, a .294 average and 2488 career hits. Now you also gotta consider they'll both add to those numbers in the next few years, I think they're both locks.

I agree with you about junir and Martinez, but I think Frank Thomas has a good shot at the Hall too. His numbers will improve, he has two MVP awards, he just has to keep it up for a couple more years than he's first ballot. I don't think Brown will make it though.

IMO, Jeter, Nomar, Manny, Sheff, Baggsm Chipper and Andruw are all gonna make it. You're probably right about Anderson. The fact that he has been such a consistant hitter throughout his career got me. I wanna talk about Troy Glaus though. This guy is 26 years old, he has 118 career home runs in only four seasons, if he keeps this up, he'll definatley get to 500, and maybe even 600. His batting average, currentley .254 for his career, will definatley have to go up. I personally think Glaus will win a couple MVP's before his career's up. But that's way down the road. Omar may get in.
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Where's John Franco on the list???
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problem with calling Jeter and A-Rod and others a lock is that they are really too young to be considered a "lock" what if something happens and they dont perform anymore, an injury or what not, obviously both deserve to be in based on what they have done, but you cant predict the future.

griffey struggled last season, you dont know for sure that he will rebound and if he doesnt, does he deserve to be in the hall? i dont know.

Hoffman, Im obviously biased about, so I think he obviously deserves it. The question is, will he get recognition based on the position he plays. If Hoffman doesnt get in, then niether will Mariano Rivera or Robb Nen.

In my opinion, Frank, McGriff, and Palmeiro will all make it as well, but they depend on their next few seasons to be solid.
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If Griffey gets 500 homeruns, I'd consider him a lock.
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No doubt in my mind about Greg Maddux, Randy Johnson, Ken Griffey Jr., Chipper Jones, Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens.

I don't think Frank Thomas will make it. He really doesn't have HOF stats. Edgar Martinez will probably make it because he is considered the greatest DH of all time.
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I agree. Thomas wasn't putting up monster numbers anymore and then he got hurt. I think he was headed for the hall but not anymore.
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Jeter has the rings to get him in. Trust me, he's a lock.

I hate how the Hall of Fame is based on longjevity. It should be for the best players, not the ones who could hang around and pad their stats the longest. Its a shame that Roger Maris didnt get voted in before he died, and still hasn't.
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Oh I forgot about Jeter and Alex Rodriquez. Rafael Palmeiro has an outside chance.
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Roger Maris is a rare exception of someone who should be in the hall for a single season of greatness. In general, a player should only be in the hall for an entire career of greatness...but, Maris did something for the game that noone even came close to matching untill McGwire in '98 (37 years later). So for that, he should be in.
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Those who think that Chipper Jones is a definite future Hall of Famer are a bit premature, also. The players that are currently playing that I consider "locks" are Clemens, Maddux and Bonds. Griffey will make it if he regains part of his previous abilities. Frank Thomas and Edgar Martinez need to put up some more offensive numbers before they will be considered as neither of them play in the field anymore and were unimpressive when they did.
Trevor Hoffman is one of my all time favorite closers and has a real chance to make it with a couple of good seasons. Billy Wagner still has an outside chance to get in also, as does John Franco.
Randy Johnson could make it if he continues to play for a winning team and get a few more wins. He is 38 and has 200 wins. If he can pitch 5 more years and pick up another 75 wins, he might make it, especially with his strike-out numbers. If the D'backs win a couple more WS titles, that will help him, also.
I agree about Maris, defska. 1961 was an amazing season for him and I highly recommend Billy Crystal's movie "61*" to everyone. He was a great clubhouse leader that played hard every day. His career was too short for him to have been a lock, however.
Other players that I consider locks are Rickey (I can't believe he's still playing -- What else does he have to prove?), Paul Molitor, Cal Ripken Jr. and Bert Blyleven. Blyleven has 3701 strikeouts and 2 WS rings. He had the best curveball I've ever seen and he went out and did his job everytime the manager asked him to do so.
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Maddux, Bonds, Clemens, Rickey. Those are the four locks. Piazza should be a lock unless he breaks down. And another catcher, Pudge, should eventually make it. I think A-Rod if he reasonably keeps up like he should is a lock. I think Edgar will make it someday. So will Palmeiro, not so sure about McGriff though. Hoffman is the definition of a dominant, present day closer, he'll make it and pioneer the way for other closers. Johnson will keep it up and make it to the hall. Glavine is a 2nd ballot HOF. Sheffield and Bagwell should make it if they continue to play. Chipper needs to continue to establish himself before he is even considered, same with Andruw Jones. Right now I wouldn't consider him a lock though.

I too am surprised Blyleven isn't in the Hall yet.
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Mike Piazza is one of the greatest offensive catchers ever.
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Maddux, Bonds, Clemens, Rickey are definite locks

...what about Sosa? Its hard to say that Sosa wont be in after what hes done the past few years (3 63+HR seasons, 4 138+ RBI seasons) career numbers: .277, 450 HR, 1239 RBI, .885 OPS. Those are HOF numbers as far as Im concerned.

catman, you mention Ripken, what about Tony Gwynn? you know he is in the HOF, you must have just forgot him ... and 61* was a great movie, I recommend it to everyone as well
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