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Old 04-10-2003, 08:39 PM   #1
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Red face The Roy Williams Soap Opera

http://espn.go.com/ncb/news/2003/0409/1536529.html

I think former Kansas AD Al Bohl made an interesting comment about this whole Roy Williams/UNC hype -- it's ridiculous that a coach can get an AD fired and two fires resulted from it. One, Brad Doherty and two, Bohl. UNC wants Williams so they fired Doherty and Kansas wants Williams, so they fired their AD because rumors have it that the two didn't see eye to eye. So does Roy go to UNC or does he remain a Jayhawk?
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Old 04-10-2003, 08:45 PM   #2
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Bohl was disliked by everyone. It wasn't just Roy Williams that got him fired (althouth that was probably the biggest reason) Mark Mangino, the football coach didn't like him and the KC media really disliked him.

Bohl would have been fired regardless.

I tend to think Williams will stay, simply because I don't think he can leave his players and new recruits. But it's probably 50-50 right now, and as far as I'm concerned, those are very scary odds.
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Old 04-10-2003, 08:51 PM   #3
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ESPN portrayed it as Kansas firing him to satisfy Williams and hopefully keep him, but you, being from that area and being a fan, probably know more than me or SportsCenter, so I stand corrected.
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Old 04-10-2003, 10:05 PM   #4
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Well, we're probably both right.

Bohl would have been fired regardless, but if this situation had never come up, most likely would have stayed on as AD until after the Spring semester had concluded.

The timing can be attributed to Williams, but as far as the actual termination, that was going to happen anyway.
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Old 04-13-2003, 07:22 AM   #5
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i think Williams will stay. i don't really have a reason thats just my gut feeling on the situation
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Old 04-14-2003, 06:00 PM   #6
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http://espn.go.com/ncb/news/2003/0414/1538970.html

I'm not sure I can make an accurate comment without littering the board with profanities and hateful thoughts.

*no dancing/thrusting banana when your coach deserts his kids*
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Old 04-14-2003, 08:57 PM   #7
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I'm a little surprised by this move. But, the Big 12 has been a super competitive conference in very recent years, while the ACC seems to be in a bit of a downturn. Maybe easier to win the ACC than to win the Big 12 right now.

He likely wanted to end his career on Tobacco Road, which I'm suspecting was the most powerful impetus for the move.

I can understand Jayhawks fans feeling rather betrayed right about now, though.

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Old 04-15-2003, 02:16 AM   #8
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I wouldn't say the ACC is on the decline, but more like filled with young, inexperienced players.

Half of the league left for the NBA (lets see: Wilcox, Francis, Dunleavy, Williams, etc) These were their respective team leaders, and they left HUGE gaps to be filled by young talent.

Duke started/saw significant time from:

Randolph - Freshman
Reddick - Freshman
Dockery - Freshman
Ewing - Sophmore
Williams - Freshman

Maryland started/saw significant time from:

Caner-Medley - Freshman
Gilchrist - Freshman

UNC:

McCants -Freshman
Felton - Freshman
Williams - Sophmore
May - Freshman
Noel - Freshman

NC State:

Hodge - Sophmore
Powell - Sophmore
Evtimov (who was injured) - Sophmore
Bennerman - Freshman

etc etc etc....


When these guys grow up and get more experience they will be a force... Therefore, I dont think it's right to say we're on a decline, but we were young.

I agree with you on the fact that the Big XII (along with others) would have been tougher to win than the ACC this year. In a year or so, I dont think that will be the case. Especially with Roy Williams at the helm of the Tarholes.
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While you make a pretty good case for the ACC having better days, in fact, until the NBA develops an NFL-like youth moratorium, those better days are far, far away, since several of these names will part for the big bucks a year or two into their college careers...

Leaving the ACC in a recurring circle that leaves them a little less than they've been in the past.

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I really don't think it matters where Williams is coaching, for he will win and carry whatever team he coaches next season to the tournament. In all honesty, I think the ACC is almost as even kill as the Big 12 Conference. But let me make way with my statement there, for I am by no means saying the ACC is an equal conference when compared to the Big 12...the Big 12 is much better right now. But the ACC is fairly even across the board, and I don't think there is any dominate force to be reckoned with next season either. Duke and UNC really have the best chances of greatness, if that is possible, in the ACC next season. I guess you could throw Maryland in the mix, but they just lost their starting backcourt and 3 starting seniors total.

Step down for Williams? I orginally thought so, but maybe not after all. Williams wins 20 some odd games next year, then it will be home sweet home, and then I will be sick and tired of hearing about UNC basketball for it will be on ESPN etc.. all the freaking time.

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I couldn't imagine how it feels for Kansas fans, but from an unbiased outsider perspective, I can't blame Roy. He went back to his roots ... he did wonders for Kansas and was loyal to them for so long. But this was the type of job you dream about and always wished for. He simply couldn't say no a second time.
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Old 04-18-2003, 10:38 PM   #12
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This should be a day of joy and elation for Kansas fans. This loser will never win a damn thing in his life, so he can have fun in North Carolina while he sees some other guy take Kansas to a national championship.
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Old 04-20-2003, 11:35 PM   #13
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I disagree, Rick, Roy Williams is a great coach. And that "other" person is now Illinois' Bill Self, who accepted the job today. This could signal a domino effect with possibly Tom Crean or others taking the Illinois job.
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Yeah, your right Marc about the domino effect, and I also think your right on in saying Williams is a great coach. Maybe he was just a bad omen for Kansas winning a National title, but he took his teams to 4 final fours and won an average of 28 games a season over 15 years....that is beyond great in my book.

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He is a good coach, but to be great you have to win it all.
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