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Old 01-10-2003, 11:26 PM   #1
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Has anybody here seen this movie? If not, it is highly recommended! I've just watched it and it has got to be one of the best movies (wouldn't really call it this) I've seen in a while.

The main focus of the film is gun control in the USA (or rather, lack of it) and why the USA has gun-related homicides of over 11,000 every year while most other huge countries have a rate of 300 or less.

But it's not just about the facts, the way he does it is so informal..talking to people on the streets. It's very funny at times and other times very serious. I hope everyone gets a chance to see it!
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Old 01-11-2003, 01:25 AM   #2
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Looks pretty funny in the commercials
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Old 01-11-2003, 01:54 AM   #3
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If it has anything to do with banning guns for law abiding citizens I do not want to see it. The constitution says we have the right to bear arm plain and simple. It is the parents fault that those boys got guns to kill their fellow students. I say lock up parents that allow their children to acquire guns. Then maybe parents will pay more attention to what their children do and see.

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Old 01-11-2003, 11:20 AM   #4
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nope, not once in the film does he suggest banning guns. It's just a film that makes a heck of alot of sense. It's hard to explain because it's different from anything I've seen before.

It's not the kinda movie where he's got some big agenda and he's trying to tell you what to think but it is very informative.
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Old 01-11-2003, 03:38 PM   #5
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You see that @ UCC Ravi?
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Old 01-11-2003, 07:43 PM   #6
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I saw some parts, let's say... "in an alternate way"...
It's interesting..
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Old 01-11-2003, 08:20 PM   #7
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ya lee, it was packed, every seat was taken!

sam, watching it by yourself and with lots of people can make a big difference! I think having so many people there made it that much better.

I have a copy of "A brief history of America", the cartoon in the film. I will upload it later
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Old 01-12-2003, 01:00 AM   #8
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Actually, one could definitly argue that the filmaker of the movie, Michael Moore, DOES have an agenda that includes very very strict gun control if not the total banning of guns. I havn't seen the movie so I don't know if he let this particular bias interfere with what he set out to do, but I imagine it would be hard for it not to.

But even as a staunch supporter of the Second Amendment, I don't really have a problem with him making this movie, and I might even go see it, but it would not change my mind on anything regarding the issue.
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Old 01-12-2003, 01:25 AM   #9
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He may have an agenda in his personal life but it was not enforced or really even discussed in this film. He systematically goes through why Americans are, as he puts it, "so quick to shoot first and ask questions later," a truth that is reflected in data that is provided by public organisations.

One of the points (or rather questions) is, Canada has about 10 million households, an estimated 7 million of those have some kind of gun but yet Canada had homicides related to gun use of 165 or so last year, while America had 11,000+.

He addresses alot more and talks to alot of interesting people throughout the film. There's even a portion of the film showing the video from the security cameras the day Columbine Highschool was attacked.
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Moore has got a ton of facts he can use in his movie, and some of them are convincing. Moore is a little bit weird, deranged at the worst , but he knows his stuff. The way he approaches it is unique and very interesting.
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Old 01-12-2003, 12:14 PM   #11
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Check it out, one of the cartoons from the movie, A brief history of America (~12mb). Kinda big but should be okay if you stream it!

http://www.rpachai.com/jan03/Bowling...%20America.wmv
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Old 01-17-2003, 05:11 AM   #12
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The Founding Fathers knew what they were doing when they included the Second Amendment in the U.S. Constitution; they intended it as a kind of "filibuster of last resort."

And future events proved them right; had it not been for the right to bear arms, the 1930s would have played host to a bloodbath that would have made the French and Russian Revolutions seem trivial by comparison; only the fact that the wealthiest Americans owned guns prevented it from happening. Also, just imagine what would have happened in Los Angeles in 1992 if the upper classes weren't armed; the rioters would have invaded homes and committed thousands, perhaps even tens of thousands, of rapes and murders.

So if it ain't broke, don't fix it - and the Constitution ain't broke, no matter what some knee-jerk radical like Michael Moore says.
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I can't agree with you on your last comment. Do you really think the rioters were sitting on the side contemplating raping and murdering the "upper class"? Come on, do you really think that goes through a rioters head? If you seem to know what does, then I certainly do, and I can tell you if that was their intention they would have done it. No guns would have stopped them, riots aren't organized protest, they are impulsive.

Personally all I see is you speculating that guns saved the day when in fact, you've got no proof of what you're talking about. So, for now, let's save the speculation and talk facts.

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In 1996, 2 people were murdered by handguns in New Zealand, 15 in Japan, 106 in Canada, 213 in Germany, and 9,390 in the United States. [FBI Uniform Crime Report]

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Every two years, more Americans die of gunshot than there were American soldiers killed during the entire Vietnam War [National Center for Health Statistics, Department of Defense Almanac].

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Total firearm crimes in 2000 (in the US): 341,831
Murder with Firearms in 2000 (in the US): 10,179
Robberies with Firearms in 2000 (in the US): 166,807
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Murder with Firearms in 1995 (in the US): 14,686
Murder with Firearms in 1996 (in Canada): 140
If that ain't broke, then what is? You waiting for the numbers to reach 6 digits? Maybe 7? You call Moore a knee-jerk radical and all I see him bring to the front is facts, and this is data not compiled and published from him. This data is published by public organisations. You can tell me why guns are useful, to avoid the thousands muders and rapes of the "upper class" but yet you can't explain why the US has a muder rate with guns above and beyond any other industrialized country.
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The reason the United States is more violent than other comparably developed societies is its racial and ethnic diversity. Say for example, you're walking into an office building and someone cuts in front of you and you end up jammed inside a revolving door. In that situation you might get mad and say something to the person; and if he happened to be of a different background, the words might end up being, "Why don't you watch where you're going, you lousy (fill in the blank, depending on just what group the individual belongs to)" - and then a fistfight - or worse - might break out. This is just one example of how "diversity" promotes violence. (The next time NYPD Blue is on, just listen to what Detective Andy Sipowicz says about different groups of people). In a society like Japan or Iceland, where there are no "minority groups" to speak of, such a scenario could not possibly arise.

All human beings are naturally prejudiced in this manner, to at least some degree; and this phenomenon is not restricted to humans, either. Take horses, for instance. Every so often in a thoroughbred horse race, usually down the stretch, one horse will try to bite the neck of another (horsemen refer to this as "savaging"). More than nine times out of ten, one of the two horses involved will be a gray or roan horse, and the other one will be either bay or chestnut (which are both shades of brown). It's simply biological nature - nothing more, nothing less.

And to address your other issue: In the late 1940s, when the Communists took over Eastern Europe, the first thing they did was to go door to door and confiscate everybody's guns - and they knew which doors to go to because all the guns had been registered by law beforehand. So the Second Amendment could someday prevent the United States of America from becoming the Union of American Soviet Socialist Republics!
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The reason the United States is more violent than other comparably developed societies is its racial and ethnic diversity.
And Canada isn't as diverse as the U.S. ? (from a percentage aspect?)...just thought I'd point that out. Funny enough, this was also suggested as a reason in the movie, and shot down with facts. Moore posed the question to Charlton Heston, who suggested exactly like you did, and was quickly corrected by Moore. With Canada being as diverse as the U.S., and having as many guns, your reasoning can't be valid. ( nope not trying to turn this into canada vs us, because I'd use any other country that had similar diversity )

And you can't seriously believe in this day in age that a gun is going to protect you from Communists? I mean, really, do you think if Communist wanted to take over, they would walk door-to-door? I'd give them a bit more credit than that.
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